Although I absolutely hated the exorbitant amount of money we gave Malik Rose, sometimes you have to show some respect and pay a little bit more than market value to a key contributor on your title team.
Or you don't. But you should.
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Although I absolutely hated the exorbitant amount of money we gave Malik Rose, sometimes you have to show some respect and pay a little bit more than market value to a key contributor on your title team.
Or you don't. But you should.
But Isaiah isn't around to clean up team's messes anymore!! :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dingle Barry
I agree, and that could work in the Spurs' favor-- Miami didn't want to pay him after he did a great job guarding Dirk in the finals, so he left. Then he joined Boston and helped them win with his great defense and clutch 3s. So if Boston also doesn't want to pay him, he might think that the best revenge would be to go to another contender and win a third ring, to show Boston that they were wrong in under-valuing him. I think he is more of an impact player than Horry was in his prime. He's 31 now, which is 6 years younger than Bowen, but Bowen's effectiveness past 35 is not something that is common... it'll be a tough call for the front office if he wants a 4 or 5 year deal...but then again, Pop and RC keep saying in interviews how young teams rarely win championships...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynasty
how about 2 years and options for year 3 and 4Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Free Agent Rumors and Updates
Free Agent Rumors and Updates
This Corey Maggette thing is getting worse than a soap opera. The Globe announced that the Celtics had made offers to both Maggette and Posey on July 1. On July 3, the Herald reported that the Celtics denied making an offer to Maggette. Ok, maybe the Globe was mistaken and the Celtics didn't make an offer, but just contacted his agent and inquired about him. But, then, on July 4, the Globe had another article on how the Celtics made an offer to Maggette and Doc even called him to talk to him.
An NBA source said the Celtics offered Magette the full midlevel exception, expected to be worth $5.8 million.
The Celtics have made offers to their own forward, James Posey, and Maggette, but it's doubtful they can accommodate both. While there is no news regarding Posey, Maggette said he could be coming to Boston in the near future to visit with the Celtics. Free agents can't sign until Wednesday.
"I don't want to hold the Celtics up or [general manager] Danny Ainge," said Maggette in a telephone interview. "I talked to Doc . . . I'm not going to hold them up. I know they are still looking at James Posey. But I'm still weighing my options."
And then on July 5, the Herald reported once again that the Celtics didn't make an offer to Maggette.
A Celtics source also continued to insist yesterday that the team has not made a formal offer to free agent Corey Maggette, and that the former Clipper is simply aware that the team has a $5.8 million mid-level exception available - the same amount the team has been unwilling to offer Posey.
It's like dueling newspapers. The Herald continues to say that the Celtics didn't make an offer to Maggette and the Globe reports that they have made him an offer and even publish quotes from him about the offers. Enough already!!
The offer to Posey is supposedly 12 million over 3 years. Reports are that he is also receiving interest and offers from the Lakers, Pistons, Sixers, Rockets, Cavs, Nets, and Hornets, most of which are willing to give him the long term contract he wants. Supposedly the offer to Maggette is for the MLE for 2 years. Danny is not willing to bog the team down with a big long term contract for Posey and if Posey isn't willing to settle for less, he will likely take one of the other offers from teams who are willing to tie up big money long term for him.
On the day that the Herald printed this:
The Celtics' offer reportedly has come up short of Posey's demands in both money and length. Though he doesn't discuss these matters, Danny Ainge reportedly was ready to cut his losses and avoid spending too much on a proven contributor to a championship, even before free agency began.
The idea of paying the full mid-level exception to Posey reportedly made the Celtics director of basketball operations squeamish.
The Globe adds this from the Heat's Dwayne Wade, Posey's former teammate.
"I don't think Boston is letting Posey go," Wade said recently. "I was looking at Posey the whole playoff series and thinking, 'Man, he was good for us.' It's indescribable what he does. He's one of those guys that won't get the national attention, but he will get the locker room respect. That's probably more important, when you get the locker room respect. I miss him and miss what he does on the court, for sure. I'll be surprised [if he leaves Boston]."
How can the Celtics not realize what this guy does for a team? I can see wanting to keep the payroll manageable, but they also need to see how important a player like Posey is to the team.
Maggette is willing to sign for less if it means playing for a contender. But, that doesn't mean that it is a foregone conclusion that he would take the Celtics' offer. He also has offers from the Spurs, Magic, Sixers, Jazz, and the Warriors and there have been reports that he is leaning toward the Spurs and also that he would like to return to Orlando where he began his career. But, there are also reports that he is seriously considering the Celtics. He is very comfortable with Doc as they are old friends and former teammate Sam Cassell also told him that if he wants a ring he needs to come to Boston. More to come, I am sure. It is the Globe's turn to talk about the offer that Danny made that the Herald insists he didn't.
I wonder if all these reports he's "leaning toward the Spurs" are based solely on Wojnarowsk's and Monroe's articles.
Supposedly the offer to Maggette is for the MLE for 2 years.
Where did you hear this Ducks??? Are you saying the Spurs only offered him 2 years for MLE and that's it? Not even an team or player opt out?Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Looking at that free agent list for 2010 I can see the Spurs doing something like that. There is a freaking Superstar bonanza of players available then. If this is true then the Spurs want to get someone better come 2010?
not spurs boston
Why would Boston only offer him two years?Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
lol..read the article...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
"Supposedly the offer to Maggette is for the MLE for 2 years. Danny is not willing to bog the team down with a big long term contract for Posey and if Posey isn't willing to settle for less, he will likely take one of the other offers from teams who are willing to tie up big money long term for him."
ask their gmQuote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
NO TO POSEY. I thought we were trying to make our team more athletic and younger? Posey wants a 4 year deal? WTH? Damn Boston, they still can't get over losing Tim Duncan to us, so this is their way of screwing us by targeting Maggette. Posey doesn't look like he is going to resign for anything less than the MLE and they are offering less, so shows how much they really want to keep him. I guess he is expendable to them. Who knows?
This is a tidbit that was written in one of the Celtics Blogs:
Premise: Maggette coming off the bench and taking 10 shot attempts (without counting the times he goes to the line) and scoring 15+ points a game. It's reasonable to assume that happened 3 times during his career: 02/03; 05/06; 06/07.
Maggette scored 16.8 ppg, 17.8 ppg and 16.9 ppg in each of those seasons.
Maggette took 17.5, 18.2, 17.7 of his team possessions per game in each of those seasons [(FGA+FTA/2+TO)/G]. He played between 29 and 31 mpg in those seasons.
So, during his career, and under these conditions, Maggette scores 17 ppg taking 18 possesions per game (approximation). This translates into a offensive efficiency of 94.44 points per 100 possessions.
Last season, with Posey as their 6th man, the Boston Celtics scored 107.4 points per 100 possessions.
So, what you want to do is to take 18 possessions that last season valued 19.3 points delivering them to a player that historically uses that same amount of possessions to score 17 points, arguing that this will make up for his lack of defense. There's more to discuss about this, but I'll leave it here for now. Very problematic for me is that Maggette is only efficient playing in the same position of our best offensive player. I think this is being wildly disregarded.
Maggette is a passable rebounder, but he's not a good offensive rebounder. Last season he grabbed 3.5% of the Clippers' missed shots. That's very subpar for a starting SF playing 36 mpg. Also, Maggette's REB-r is 9.1, Posey's 10.5 (http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2008/Clippers.htm)
PS - I was having trouble entering 82games database so I resorted to the previously presented back-of-the-envelope calculations. I finally succeeded and here are Maggette's effective field goal % for those seasons:
02/03 - .484
05/06 - .477
06/07 - .454
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...hes_for_posey/Quote:
Paul Pierce is lobbying for the Celtics to do whatever it takes to get valuable reserve James Posey back with the team next season, according to The Boston Herald.
"He’s just huge for us," Pierce said Monday. "And if you’ve got to spend extra, I probably would."
He also understands where Posey is coming from as a player.
"You’ve got to understand the position ‘Pose’ is in. I mean, he’s 31 years old, and this is probably going to be the last contract he’s going to get, so I guess he’s looking for a little extra security - maybe a little more than we’re willing to give him," Pierce added. "But hopefully we can retain him and he can look at what we offer him as a sense of security."
An excellent analysis, to be sure, but what about their respective PER's???Quote:
Originally Posted by Man of Steel
Assuming the Spurs get Maggette, are you willing to say bye to Barry/Finley and possibly Thomas to get Posey?
If the Spurs don't get Maggette, are you willing to overpay Posey to obtain him?
There's no way we're getting both.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDS4
Eh. It's not my idea of a successful offseason to overpay a 32 year old who can't really become a great scorer when we're supposed to be getting younger, but I can't complain if they get him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDS4
Any player out of Xavier is a good, heady NBA role player.
If the Spurs get Maggette is will use up all of our MLE, so the only way that we would be able to obtain Posey would be with the LLE (around $1.9M) which we already know that he won't come for that. The reason that we can offer KT so much more is because he is our own FA and we own his Bird rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDS4
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The Hornets are targeting Boston Celtics free agent James Posey to solve their needs at shooting guard, but whether Hornets General Manager Jeff Bower can pull off a deal is uncertain. Free agents can begin signing contracts Wednesday, and Posey is one of the most sought after on the market. Posey, who can play shooting guard and small forward, appears to be one of the Hornets' No. 1 targets. However, it likely would take a full mid-level exception offer of $5.8 million for him to consider coming to New Orleans.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/thewire/bask...ing_attention/
Paul Pierce pushes for James Posey
While Paul Pierce [stats] was offering a testimonial to James Posey yesterday, the Celtics [team stats] free agent was looking at an increasing pool of suitors.
Pierce, in town for his hoop camp at Basketball City, believes the Celts should go the extra mile (i.e., money and years) to keep the valuable reserve. But if the club isn’t willing to get closer to the full mid-level exception (about $5.8 million) and increase the term to four years, other clubs may be ready to step in.
While staying with the Celtics still appears to be his first choice, Posey’s side was negotiating with different teams yesterday.
“I think a lot of teams figured at the start that they’d have no chance to get James,” said his representative, Mark Bartelstein. “They just figured the Celtics wouldn’t let him go and they didn’t want to waste their time (pursuing Posey). But now that it’s gone this long, it’s opened the door to a lot of teams who realize they have a chance.”
Pierce hopes they don’t. He hopes Posey remains in green when teams are able to begin signing free agents tomorrow.
“He’s just huge for us,” the captain and NBA Finals MVP said. “And if you’ve got to spend extra, I probably would.
“You’ve got to understand the position ‘Pose’ is in. I mean, he’s 31 years old, and this is probably going to be the last contract he’s going to get, so I guess he’s looking for a little extra security - maybe a little more than we’re willing to give him. But hopefully we can retain him and he can look at what we offer him as a sense of security.”
Pierce also plans to toss in some sentimentality when he speaks with Posey.
“You know, I try to tell guys winning a championship with the Boston Celtics is not like winning a championship anywhere else,” he said. “I think down the road you forget about certain championship teams, but those Boston teams never get forgotten.”
“When I talk to him, I’m going to let him know that - the significance of being a Boston Celtic even after basketball. Hopefully I can convince him to come back for whatever the offer we’re giving him. I don’t really know the offer that (director of basketball operations) Danny (Ainge) and them are talking about. I know it’s less than the mid-level and I know there’s teams out there probably trying to give him the mid-level.”
Posey’s importance to the Celtics has been raised in the form of a hypothetical. How would things look if the Celts were starting the Finals against the Lakers tomorrow and Posey was playing for L.A.?
Pierce laughed and said, “They’d be in trouble because he’d have to guard me.”
He then joked about knowing all of Posey’s “nasty defensive tactics,” then added, “But, hey, he’s a huge key, man. Everybody knows it. A huge key in what we try to do. No. 1, he changes what type of team we are out there because of versatility. You put him at the 4 and he’s a matchup problem for the other team. Then you move him to the 3 and he can defend there, too. He gives our lineup a whole other dimension. He’s tough and he has experience.”
As for his own situation, Pierce intends to get an MRI on his right knee this week.
“I’ve still got some soreness in it, so hopefully it’s nothing major where I’ll require surgery,” he said. “I’m just going to get an MRI while I’m in town. I doubt if I need any surgery just based on it’s getting better and better. I’m going to get the MRI just to take the precaution. A sprain usually takes about three of four weeks, and it’s been about that. I’ve been icing it here and there.”
Pierce flew in from Los Angeles on a red-eye yesterday and will work at his camp this week before attending the ESPYS awards show next week. After that, he plans to get back to serious basketball work.
“It’s a whole lot different when you reach the ultimate level,” he said of life after winning the title. “The respect you get is like everywhere. The whole world saw what we did.
“The craziest thing about it is, I’m happy we won it and I’m kind of coming down off it, but it’s like the last week I’ve been thinking we’ve got to do this again. That’s what’s going to motivate me next year. . . . It was a lot of fun, and I’m ready to get back at it and do it again, man.”
listen to pierce boston