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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
When it comes to trading expiring contracts, nobody gives a damn if the guy is over-paid.
They're not trying to get a player to help, but a thick contract that's ready to expire. It's all about freeing up cap-room to make a run at the LeBron's of the world.
The bigger the contract the better. No matter how much of a stiff the player might be.
I hope we bring Kurt back. There's no way Mahinmi is going to be able to play a lot of productive minutes.
I think KT showed he is worth the money. Dude can rebound, something the Spurs needed to address in that department. Now all we are waiting is to see if CM signs then it's the hello #5.
well i think thomas could make up to 5 mil, but hopefully hes willing to stay for around a million.
...if the dude can play why does it matter how old he is? some age better than others and some take better care of their body. sign him.
I quite disagree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Spurs have 9 players under contract for $55.8M.
Add a full MLE player (finger crossed...Maggette..finger crossed). Let's take E-N number for the MLE, $5.8M.
Add Thomas for $6M per year.
Add George Hill for about $1M (if he gets 120% of the rookie scale as most players).
You end up with $68.6M for 12 players.
The luxury tax is said to be at $70-71M. Spurs will only be able to fill the bench with min players. They won't be able to use the LLE on someone like Barry or the use the Beno TE.
Spurs are for the moment quite far of the luxury tax but it could become a concern if they throw a lot of money to Kurt Thomas.
I think the MLE shouldn't count here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
The MLE is an exception which allows teams to sign players for the average salary of the league , even if they're over the cap, without paying the tax.
nope. any contract signed with the MLE still counts toward tax calculations.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPB
Am I the only that thought this was a rather ironic choice of words for a headline about Kurt Thomas?
Two-year, $12M is the worst case scenario if some team throws their MLE at KT. I haven't seen any team make an indication that they will make a hard push for KT so it's quite possible that the Spurs can get him for less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I'm not sure what the magic number is but the Spurs can get an MLE player, use either the LLE or the TE (probably don't have roster room to use both anyways ... plus they are almost equal in value), sign Hill, sign a couple minimum contracts and still throw a good amount of money at Thomas. I'm guessing they'll be able to give him up to about $10-11M but I'll have to do the math to figure out exactly.
I want him back..I love KT and he gave us good minutes last year..more importantly, there isn't a remaining FA big man that I would rather have..1 or 2 year contract..Mahinmi will get his minutes, and hopefully he can be productive enough that we can save KT's minutes for the playoffs..
getting Maggette would make getting KT a great re-signing though..
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Originally Posted by tlongII
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/...7632462412.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/sanantonio/1/7/...urt-thomas.jpg
which one is the old man?
^^ The First one.:rollin
When the MLE and the luxury tax numbers will be released today, we should have a better idea of what Spurs could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I can also see Spurs giving Thomas a decreasing contract. The luxury tax will be a bigger concern next year than this year.
It depends.Quote:
Originally Posted by ss1986v2
If the team is under the cap, the exception counts in team salary.
If the team is over, it doesn't.
Which makes sense and why it's called an exception.
i will pray that some other team signs him before us....i know ill be alone on this...so what....but kurt isnt gonna help us do squat, but use up minutes, during the season only to be happily seen by the opponent come PO time...he's old,slow and most of all...to short...this past PO i saw other bigs just do 2 things different from other seasons(cos of the refs) 1 their bigs were not as agressive with ours(i mean tim only of course) to try and stay out of foul trouble...2 for the exception of maybe just (west from NO), the rest of the bigs stood straight up and into duncans face and raised their arms as high as they could go........and that my friends is why duncan couldnt make such easy shots..(duncan cant jump anymore)...to have 4 arms sticking in front of your face is hard enough, getting older doesnt make it easier....and thats whay i say kurt wont help us...neither will any of our bigs signed at this moment..(say what yall want...i aint seen ian do crap yet) so in my book, he dont count....all this kurt has this deadly 15 ft. shot is bull for ppl. who listen to ppl talk...kurt at best is a good backup.....we still dont have a good starter...the suns killed us more then anyother team by not even playing against us...when they got shaq a snaq, the west panicked, i was hoping we wouldnt, but we did and instead of keeping length....we got shorter....now tim will get doubled all game long, and the west will control the paint....control the paint and you better your chances to win....imo when the FO picked up kurt they killed timmy...in the POs id rather have tall long bigs...(like the rest of the west top tiers) not a 6'9 center that back in the days...timmy loved making fun of...(now look timmy, the guy you used to abuse is gonna stand next to ya).....to me thats a bad joke....id do whatever i could to get rid of kurt, and its not that i hate the guy, he just doesnt fit in the west these days....sad part about it is....there really isnt much out there to look for....ive said it before, if we go into next season with these bigs....we will see a replay...maybe even less wins...just an old mans imo.....
A lot of sense for both sides? Sarcasm?.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
We offer 6M/Y for a back up center's 35/36 years old?
I like Thomas but I think that is a lot of money. We should make him an offer he couldn't refuse but never more than 4M/year. More money for this guy is a crazy move.
you are confusing the cap line and the tax line. the MLE (as well as DPE, BAE, TPE, the various bird exception) allow you to add salary while above the cap line (you are exempt from the cap limit). but any salary added in these ways still counts when it comes to calculating team salary and therefore figuring the tax number.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPB
check out http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm for more exception information.
What's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
1999
Jerome Kersey 36 years old
Mario Elie 35 years old
Avery Johnson 34 years old
Steve Kerr 34 years old
David Robinson 33 years old
Will Perdue 33 years old
Sean Elliott 31 years old
Jaren Jackson 31 years old
Won the championship (including the young Blazers getting their azz swept!)
2003
Kevin Willis 40 years old
David Robinson 37 years old
Steve Kerr 37 years old
Danny Ferry 36 years old
Steve Smith 34 years old
Bruce Bowen 32 years old
Won the championship
2005
Tony Massenburg 37 years old
Robert Horry 34 years old
Bruce Bowen 34 years old
Brent Barry 33 years old
Glenn Robinson 32 years old
Won the Championship
2007
Robert Horry 36 years old
Bruce Bowen 36 years old
Brent Barry 35 years old
Michael Finley 34 years old
Fabricio Oberto 32 years old
Tim Duncan 31 years old
Francisco Elson 31 years old
Won the Championship
Bottomline is, every championship team has to have veterans with 8-10 years experience to provide leadership as well as basketball smarts to make the smart plays in big games.
Pop likes 'em old. It also helps if they are as mobile as a deeply rooted tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
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Originally Posted by timvp
Yeah. I'm waiting for the next Ludden article with another Spurs scoop.
KT can be a decent player in the Spurs system. He contributed almost immediately after joining the team, something no other Spurs big signed in the last 8 years can attest to.
I'm all for bringing KT back -- he became a dependable option for Pop as he became more familiar with the system and one would think that allowing him a full training camp would make him more savvy and valuable (and perhaps alleviate some pressure about walking in to be a savior).
On another note, I'm inclined to think that McDonald listing only Thomas, Finley, and Barry as FA the Spurs are interested in retaining is meant to create an exclusive list (i.e., an intentional exclusion of Stoudamire (expected), DerMarr Johnson (not surprising), and Horry).
question: we can sign Thomas w/o using the MLE?
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Not having Horry next season just doesn't feel right.....I'd keep him around just for his presence alone.