Suns Again Trying To Lure Barry To Phoenix

Suns Again Trying To Lure Barry To Phoenix

East valley tribune
Jul 08, 2008 3:19 AM EST

Sources have confirmed that Brent Barry has had discussions with Phoenix about possibly becoming a Sun, the East Valley Tribune is reporting.

The Suns, along with the Rockets, tried to sign Barry after his contract was bought out by the Sonics last season, but Barry decided to return to the Spurs.

The San Antonio Express-News said Barry is also being courted by the Lakers, and that the Houston Rockets are prepared to offer him their $1.9 million biannual exception, which the Suns have already used on Grant Hill.

Why have we not heard of the Spurs being interested in bringing him back?

It seems like a foregone conclusion hes leaving

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Originally Posted by mystargtr34

Why have we not heard of the Spurs being interested in bringing him back?

It seems like a foregone conclusion hes leaving

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It's a shame that he'll end up leaving and we'll get stuck with another year of Finley....

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Originally Posted by mystargtr34

Why have we not heard of the Spurs being interested in bringing him back?

It seems like a foregone conclusion hes leaving

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Intern discussions.

Fact is we heard a lot of teams being interested in Barry almost none in Finley.
So either teams don't want Finley or Spurs have made a strong commitment to Finley and his agent said to teams interested in Finley that he will likely re-sign with Spurs.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Fact is we heard a lot of teams being interested in Barry almost none in Finley.
So either teams don't want Finley or Spurs have made a strong commitment to Finley and his agent said to teams interested in Finley that he will likely re-sign with Spurs.

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And if it's B then our front office is still asleep at the wheel.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

And if it's B then our front office is still asleep at the wheel.

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Pop has always like more Finley than Barry. If Spurs have one roster spot available for a shooter, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Pop bringing back Finley and letting Barry goes.
Most of Spurstalk's posters (including myself) rather have Barry back but we aren't Pop.

ive never seen pop write or say........i like finley more then barry.......show me and ill believe....fact is both are old, yet both can still contribute..unfortunately they both are on our team,...... who goes, who comes, has yet tobe determined.......

good player, but not a Ginobili, Parker or Duncan. Not going to lose too much sleep over this one, plenty of prospects out there that are younger and can not only shoot the 3 but throw it down pretty nicely as well. Hmmmmmmm J.R. Smith comes to mind.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Pop has always like more Finley than Barry. If Spurs have one roster spot available for a shooter, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Pop bringing back Finley and letting Barry goes.
Most of Spurstalk's posters (including myself) rather have Barry back but we aren't Pop.

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I know I would.

On the plus side for you guys, if Darius Miles does go to Phoenix, Steve Kerr did you guys a favor in punking Portland. lol

I'm sure the Spurs are interested in keeping Barry but I think it's telling that he opted out. I don't think it has anything to do with Pop "favoring" Finley or the Spurs are secretly committed to Finley or anything like that.

I don't expect either one to be back though it is strange that haven't heard anything on Finley. If nothing else he's a legit 3 point shooter and teams can always use one of those on the bench.

time for a change........................

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

time for a change........................

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.....egnahc a rof emit

he is an exellent fit for Suns. He would get more minutes also. He should go for his sake.

I wish we can resign barry and sign maggette

i prefer to sign Finley and not Barry, Barry is almost 40 and Finley just 35, Finley can be pleased with the Minimum and Barry not, and now that we have a back up PG we dont need the PG skills of Barry.

I still just don't understand how and why the Spurs would choose Finley over Barry. What possible justification? Other than possibly if they think Barry's injury will come back. At this point in their careers, neither player is starter material. You would be keeping them primarily to ensure veteran leadership on the bench and to have a scorer who can come off the bench. I think Barry is a much more consistent offensive player who's 3 point shooting is still right on and could help the Spurs spread the floor come playoff time and he has a lot better ball handling skills than Finley. So why Finley over Barry? Unless he's somehow cheaper, but honestly either should be relatively cheap to keep.

i think barrys value is much more important than finleys right now. even though hes older

spurs may think hill will ran backup point
so they do not need barry as much now
barry could ran point so barry to me was worth more finley

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Originally Posted by 1Parker1

You would be keeping them primarily to ensure veteran leadership

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I think of Finley as being more of a mentor than barry. Although I like both I would choose barry over findog.

He'll look nice in Rocket Red

I can picture Barry helping a team like the Rockets immensely in the postseason. They've always been a team that has had trouble scoring, esp if one of McGrady or Yao is having an offnight. Playing Brent Barry in that system would open up a lot of room for McGrady and Yao to operate.

I would like to see the Spurs keep only one of the two...hopefully, Hairston or Gist will replace the other. Hill, Hairston, and Mahinmi is a start in getting some youth injected into this team.

Salary Cap question time.

Barry was traded to and then cut by the Sonics (becoming an FA). He re-signed with us for the pro-rated Vet Min (Therefore his bird rights therefore went away.), and then has opted-out. As he has been signed for less than 2 years, he qualifies as a non-bird FA. From Larry Coon's salary cap faq, question # 19, http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19

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NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, either because they haven't met the criteria, or because they are Early Bird free agents following the second season of their rookie scale contract and whose team renounced the Early-Bird exception. This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at 120% of the player's salary in the previous season, 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 36), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 8% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to five seasons when this exception is used.

Starting January 10 of each season, this exception begins to reduce in value. See question number 20 for details.

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Does this mean, since Barry was signed for the pro-rated min, can we resign him using this exception for the Vet Min + 20%, without eating any of our other exceptions? Consider, the vet min for a player with Barry's years in 08/09 is $1,262,275. 120% of that is $1,514,730. The LLE is $1.91 Million.

Does anyone suspect that Barry still wants to be in SA, but in the discussions last year (when he left the Sonics), it was pointed out to him that he could get a nice 20% salary bump for this year by opting out, allowing us to use our non-bird exception? Is he playing the same "wink wink, nudge nudge" game that was played last season?

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Originally Posted by pad300

Salary Cap question time.

Barry was traded to and then cut by the Sonics (becoming an FA). He re-signed with us for the pro-rated Vet Min (Therefore his bird rights therefore went away.), and then has opted-out. As he has been signed for less than 2 years, he qualifies as a non-bird FA. From Larry Coon's salary cap faq, question # 19, http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19


Does this mean, since Barry was signed for the pro-rated min, can we resign him using this exception for the Vet Min + 20%, without eating any of our other exceptions? Consider, the vet min for a player with Barry's years in 08/09 is $1,262,275. 120% of that is $1,514,730. The LLE is $1.91 Million.

Does anyone suspect that Barry still wants to be in SA, but in the discussions last year (when he left the Sonics), it was pointed out to him that he could get a nice 20% salary bump for this year by opting out, allowing us to use our non-bird exception? Is he playing the same "wink wink, nudge nudge" game that was played last season?

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its possible, but i dont see why he wouldnt be angling for the spurs' BAE. its what his market price seems to be, we have it available, its not too much more than the 20% raise (only 500k), and depending on what KT signs for (if its less than 6 mil) we should be able to spend it and the MLE and still come in below the tax line.

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Originally Posted by pad300

Salary Cap question time.

Barry was traded to and then cut by the Sonics (becoming an FA). He re-signed with us for the pro-rated Vet Min (Therefore his bird rights therefore went away.), and then has opted-out. As he has been signed for less than 2 years, he qualifies as a non-bird FA. From Larry Coon's salary cap faq, question # 19, http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19


Does this mean, since Barry was signed for the pro-rated min, can we resign him using this exception for the Vet Min + 20%, without eating any of our other exceptions? Consider, the vet min for a player with Barry's years in 08/09 is $1,262,275. 120% of that is $1,514,730. The LLE is $1.91 Million.

Does anyone suspect that Barry still wants to be in SA, but in the discussions last year (when he left the Sonics), it was pointed out to him that he could get a nice 20% salary bump for this year by opting out, allowing us to use our non-bird exception? Is he playing the same "wink wink, nudge nudge" game that was played last season?

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Bruno said that the pro-rated contract is considered a full contract, and thus we do have the non-bird rights. I'm not sure if Barry is interested in returning. I think he will try to determine his market value first and then decide after that point. I believe he would most likely be looking for LLE.

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Originally Posted by ss1986v2

its possible, but i dont see why he wouldnt be angling for the spurs' BAE. its what his market price seems to be, we have it available, its not too much more than the 20% raise (only 500k), and depending on what KT signs for (if its less than 6 mil) we should be able to spend it and the MLE and still come in below the tax line.

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Do we have it available? If the reports of us offering it to Delfino are correct, we apparently have other plans for it (although I doubt Delfino accepts). Consider the roster (guaranteed contracts) assuming Maggette signs and Thomas re-signs...

Bigs - Duncan, KT, Oberto, Mahinmi, Bonner
Wings - Bowen, Manu, Udoka, Maggette
PG's - Parker, Hill, Vaughn

We are short 2 wings and one Big - 3 holes to fill. We have rights to a bunch of players (in particular Javtokas, Gist, Hairston, Sanikidze). We have the LLE, vet min signings, and Non-bird rights to Barry. If we want to bring in Javtokas, I'm confident it will cost at least the LLE. We might want to sign another wing vet (eg. Delfino), and use Gist as big #6... There are lots of possibilities for that LLE (Javtokas, Delfino, other wings and bigs), particularly if Gist, Hairston, or both don't make the roster...

Barry would be perfect in the Rockets system. When T-Mac or Alston goes down, then Barry will be called on to run the offense. If Alston runs the offense there will be plenty of jumpers for Barry to shoot. If Barry Runs the offense, he and T-Mac will be a double threat for scoring. I look for Barry to be the sixth man on a Rockets squad and his playing for the Rockets could get him back to his career highs in scoring and assists.

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Originally Posted by pad300

Do we have it available? If the reports of us offering it to Delfino are correct, we apparently have other plans for it (although I doubt Delfino accepts). Consider the roster (guaranteed contracts) assuming Maggette signs and Thomas re-signs...

Bigs - Duncan, KT, Oberto, Mahinmi, Bonner
Wings - Bowen, Manu, Udoka, Maggette
PG's - Parker, Hill, Vaughn

We are short 2 wings and one Big - 3 holes to fill. We have rights to a bunch of players (in particular Javtokas, Gist, Hairston, Sanikidze). We have the LLE, vet min signings, and Non-bird rights to Barry. If we want to bring in Javtokas, I'm confident it will cost at least the LLE. We might want to sign another wing vet (eg. Delfino), and use Gist as big #6... There are lots of possibilities for that LLE (Javtokas, Delfino, other wings and bigs), particularly if Gist, Hairston, or both don't make the roster...

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you can probably forget about delfino for the BAE, thats not happening. even though the raptor dont have a ton of interest in keeping him, they still gave him the QO (which is 2.7 mil), and if 1.9 mil is all it costs to retain him, they will jump at that. plus i think he could get slightly better offers from several other teams (maybe close to half the MLE). not to mention he could make at least twice the BAE playing in europe if he wanted too (which i believe he hinted at last year if things didnt work out with the raptors). i think delfino was approached as a "plan B" if maggette heads to the warriors or sixers.

add javtokas to the list of players i dont think would accept the BAE as well. hes making more than that right now, so why would he take a paycut to play the 4th/5th big for the spurs?

with our tax situation next season, i cant see them running a roster larger than 14 (at least not until late in the season where we might play revolving d-leaguers again). so (assuming maggette ends up a spur), that leave two spots. i personally would like those two spots to be filled by hairston and barry. we ran with 5 bigs last season (i dont count mahinmi), i dont see why we wouldnt again. now if mahinmi still looks a bit lost in the summer leagues or bonner is moved for nothing, i could see them going after a big with the vet min (horry, maybe skinner or someone else), but i dont think they look there if everything else is looking good.

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

he is an exellent fit for Suns. He would get more minutes also. He should go for his sake.

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Wherever he can be utilized as a pg or pointforward type so he can use his ball distribution and dribbling skills ie Gm 4 vs the Flamers and not just hork treys.
LordPop is too dense/cementheaded/hungover to use him any other way.

fuck the suns

I like Finley alot better than Barry. Every Spur fan should to. Personally I would get rid of Horry,Barry and Finley. But if the Spurs feel they need to keep one of them it should be Finley. He can heat it up with the 3's and is a great free throw shooter. I think he does force shots though. I have a feeling the Spurs encourage him to shoot. They should have him be a bit more picky. Just my opinion.

I think Barry would be a good addition to the Suns and an even better addition by subtraction by removing him from a main rival and a team that he tends to kill.

His playmaking ability would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I like Finley alot better than Barry. Every Spur fan should to. Personally I would get rid of Horry,Barry and Finley. But if the Spurs feel they need to keep one of them it should be Finley. He can heat it up with the 3's and is a great free throw shooter. I think he does force shots though. I have a feeling the Spurs encourage him to shoot. They should have him be a bit more picky. Just my opinion.

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How long ago did you stop calling the Spurs the Spews?

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

How long ago did you stop calling the Spurs the Spews?

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When the season ended.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

When the season ended.

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Well, at least your long-term commitment to the "dirty" Spurs is evident.

Yes indeed. I am disgusted at the thought of the NBA being dirty,refs and all. Thats for another thread and another day.

I'm wondering why the Suns want Barry. I'm thinking Kerr should have stayed in the booth. Barry is not going to help that team to a championship. Get a 20 something year old with potential instead of a guy who will be 38 nex year.

by way of mark berman (very very very reliable houston sports reporter) barry has told morey that he will have his decision by tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by robbie380

by way of mark berman (very very very reliable houston sports reporter) barry has told morey that he will have his decision by tomorrow.

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:tu Great news, thanks. Hopefully he's coming back.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

time for a change........................

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Who would you hire to replace em?

Names right fucking now.

He won't go to the Suns...

Fucking FAGGOT SUNS...they want to be Spurs. Every trade they make got Spurs in mind. They hire Spurs as a GM, they want to lure Mike, now they want Barry....FUCKING SUNS. Barry is a solid player and he still got lots left in his tank (look at Game 4 vs Lakers), we should keep Barry and let Thomas go....we need big man better than Thomas, coz he's just shittin on court other than guarding Shaq. his jumpshot was sucks coz hes getting old

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Originally Posted by wisnub

Fucking FAGGOT SUNS...they want to be Spurs. Every trade they make got Spurs in mind. They hire Spurs as a GM, they want to lure Mike, now they want Barry....FUCKING SUNS. Barry is a solid player and he still got lots left in his tank (look at Game 4 vs Lakers), we should keep Barry and let Thomas go....we need big man better than Thomas, coz he's just shittin on court other than guarding Shaq. his jumpshot was sucks coz hes getting old

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Take some prozac and settle down.