If Warriors are pursuing Corey Maggette, it's not good news

The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that the Warriors have reached out to Clippers free agent forward Corey Maggette.

This should come as a disturbing development to Warriors fans.

Not because Maggette isn’t a useful player and might be able to help the Warriors, but because it’s not the right time, place or circumstance to try to go get him. It seems apparent Maggette turned up on the Warriors’ radar only when Baron Davis opted out and money became available.

That’s OK. The Warriors only reached out to Elton Brand because Davis opted out. And if Brand were to accept the Warriors’ $90-million-ish offer most would assess that kind of transaction as positive.

But let’s be clear: Maggette is no Brand.

If we’re talking about signing Maggette to the mid-level exception (as the Chron says), you could make a case it would be worth it _ a salary starting in the $5 to $6 million range. But Maggette isn't coming to the Warriors for the mid-level, and they know it.

If Maggette is going to play for the mid-level, it’s going to be for the San Antonio Spurs or Boston Celtics, two teams very interested in his services. For the Warriors, he’s going to cost more than that. The only way Maggette is coming to the Warriors is for four or five years at a number starting at $7 million or so.

The real concern Warriors fans should have is if management, perhaps feeling the sting of Davis' departure and a possible snubbing by Brand, makes a desperate stab at Maggette as a way of demonstrating it's not sitting on its hands.

If the Warriors give Maggette more than three years at more than $6 million per, they're going to regret the move.

And here’s why:

⇒First off, Maggette is injury prone. He’s been in the league nine seasons and has played 70 or more games just four times in his career. Maggette’s body says Iron Man; his stats say Tin Man.

⇒Maggette is a great sub, the kind of aggressive scorer you love coming off the bench. He has a shoot first mentality and is a mediocre defender at best. In other words, as a sixth man he’s great, as a starter he’s not.

⇒Maggette has made it clear he wants to start and be a primary offensive option. But he’s the type of high-maintenance player who doesn’t make teammates better. In fact, because he doesn’t create much, there tends to be a lot of standing around when he’s got the ball on the perimeter.

⇒Maggette has never played for a winner. His teams have missed the playoffs in eight of the nine seasons he’s been in the league. The one year a Maggette team made the playoffs was in 2006, when the Clippers made it to the postseason. That year Maggette played 32 games.

Corey Maggette at three years, $16 or $17 million or so … maybe. Corey Maggette at five years for $40 million? No way.



http://www.examiner.com/x-441-Golden...-not-good-news

I don't get why GS would go after him this early either.

this article makes some sense

Wasn't this already discussed?

no actually, this article says that the warriors SHOULDNT go after maggette for important reasons.

its true, GS has absolutely no use for him. they dont have a pg or a reliable pf and they have a weak bench. signing cm doesnt really help their team the way they think.

Well it's over then.... oh well nice pipe dream... :depressed

the warriors are worse than lottery bound.

wtf do they need CM, when they have at least 3 fukn guys on that team, that does exactly the same thing as CM on offense

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Well it's over then.... oh well nice pipe dream... :depressed

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This doesn't make sense with what the article says.

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its true, GS has absolutely no use for him. they dont have a pg or a reliable pf and they have a weak bench. signing cm doesnt really help their team the way they think.

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I live in Oakland and know that they only want him so they can have a big name/exciting player to keep selling tickets... they don't care that they have no real need for him or that he might not help them get to the playoffs...Baron use to be that guy, Richardson, Arenas, and Jamison were the big ticket sellers before that...they are just desperate after Baron split on them...

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This doesn't make sense with what the article says.

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Yea they have no need for him... if they throw enough money at him though; I don't see how he can pass it up...still have my fingers crossed though...

After reading that sobering description of Maggette, maybe I won't feel so badly if the Spurs don't land him!

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Yea they have no need for him... if they throw enough money at him though; I don't see how he can pass it up...still have my fingers crossed though...

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The Warriors have reportedly already said they won't pay much much more than the MLE, so I doubt they're still a real contender here.

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After reading that sobering description of Maggette, maybe I won't feel so badly if the Spurs don't land him!

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yea it doesnt sound good how he paints maggette out to be. but i believe as a role player and he would be great

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The Warriors have reportedly already said they won't pay much much more than the MLE, so I doubt they're still a real contender here.

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True... will see if they hopefully stick to what they said about that... :toast

The article echoes what many here have said and that analysis is spot on in my opinion. The only way to land Magette, if he's serious about wanting a winner, is to over pay for him, and hopefully Mullin has learned his lesson. There may not be another team like the Pacers that circumstances will allow them to fleece in a trade down the line. Without Davis or Brand they are a lottery team with or without Magette.

This has been my point all along about the Warriors and Sixers pursuing Maggette.

If either team does it for more that the MLE, it's because they simply feel some sort of pressure to use the money they have available under the cap instead of being more patient and making a useful move.

In my mind, Maggette doesn't significantly improve the Warriors or Sixers, mostly because there are few "other" parts in those cities to think that those teams might jump a level by adding a player like Maggette. In other words, do the Warriors become a certain West playoff team through an off-season that adds Maggette but subtracts Baron Davis? Unlikely. Do the Sixers become a team that is likely to advance to the 2nd round in the East by adding Maggette? Probably not.

That's not a knock on Maggette -- it's an admission that those teams need more help than an above-average wing. Avoiding the issue of being a Spurs homer for a second, Maggette makes much more of an impact on teams that are already established and need one more piece (San Antonio, Utah, New Orleans, Orlando) than he does on a team that's looking to jump from mediocrity to the next level of being a team that's expected to qualify for the playoffs and advance.

In an era where more and more teams seem hellbent on spending wisely and efficiently (having learned the lessons of bad contracts past), any team exceeding the MLE for 2-3 years to sign Maggette is admitting that: (1) it has learned nothing from the recent past; and (2) it would rather spend money now than make itself available for any number of other transactions down the road that actually might make a lot of basketball sense.

I don't honestly expect that degree of sober thinking to invade an NBA front office -- particularly the front office in Oakland, which has managed to avoid being just about the worst in professional sports primarily because of one playoff run and the coincidental failures with the Hawks. But as a Spurs fan, I certainly hope that someone convinces Chris Mullin and Don Nelson to think about the future a bit and consider how little it would do for them to spend big on Maggette now.

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And here’s why:

⇒First off, Maggette is injury prone. He’s been in the league nine seasons and has played 70 or more games just four times in his career. Maggette’s body says Iron Man; his stats say Tin Man.

⇒Maggette is a great sub, the kind of aggressive scorer you love coming off the bench. He has a shoot first mentality and is a mediocre defender at best. In other words, as a sixth man he’s great, as a starter he’s not.

⇒Maggette has made it clear he wants to start and be a primary offensive option. But he’s the type of high-maintenance player who doesn’t make teammates better. In fact, because he doesn’t create much, there tends to be a lot of standing around when he’s got the ball on the perimeter.

⇒Maggette has never played for a winner. His teams have missed the playoffs in eight of the nine seasons he’s been in the league. The one year a Maggette team made the playoffs was in 2006, when the Clippers made it to the postseason. That year Maggette played 32 games.

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These are all good points and all reasons why I'm not losing sleep over Maggette. Sure he'd be a good signing and would fill a void in our roster. As the Spurs 4th man he'd be pretty good I suppose, but to date he's proven nothing.

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This has been my point all along about the Warriors and Sixers pursuing Maggette.

If either team does it for more that the MLE, it's because they simply feel some sort of pressure to use the money they have available under the cap instead of being more patient and making a useful move.

In my mind, Maggette doesn't significantly improve the Warriors or Sixers, mostly because there are few "other" parts in those cities to think that those teams might jump a level by adding a player like Maggette. In other words, do the Warriors become a certain West playoff team through an off-season that adds Maggette but subtracts Baron Davis? Unlikely. Do the Sixers become a team that is likely to advance to the 2nd round in the East by adding Maggette? Probably not.

That's not a knock on Maggette -- it's an admission that those teams need more help than an above-average wing. Avoiding the issue of being a Spurs homer for a second, Maggette makes much more of an impact on teams that are already established and need one more piece (San Antonio, Utah, New Orleans, Orlando) than he does on a team that's looking to jump from mediocrity to the next level of being a team that's expected to qualify for the playoffs and advance.

In an era where more and more teams seem hellbent on spending wisely and efficiently (having learned the lessons of bad contracts past), any team exceeding the MLE for 2-3 years to sign Maggette is admitting that: (1) it has learned nothing from the recent past; and (2) it would rather spend money now than make itself available for any number of other transactions down the road that actually might make a lot of basketball sense.

I don't honestly expect that degree of sober thinking to invade an NBA front office -- particularly the front office in Oakland, which has managed to avoid being just about the worst in professional sports primarily because of one playoff run and the coincidental failures with the Hawks. But as a Spurs fan, I certainly hope that someone convinces Chris Mullin and Don Nelson to think about the future a bit and consider how little it would do for them to spend big on Maggette now.

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Maggette misses as much games as manu

the reasons why GS doesn't want him, are the reasons why he would fit better on a championship contending team that offers him a starting job. his workload will be a lot easier on the spurs given our weapons and we can cover any defensive deficiency he may have...see finley.

Spurs have about 10% chance of maggete coming. I really hope Spurs office is pursuing other options

That's an accurate description of Maggette and his career. Its also why he is a great addition to a team that doesn't need him to carry the offense. He's not worth franchise money. For the right $$ (MLE) he would be an excellent pick up.

For GS or the Sixers to pay him more than MLE $$, it would be stupid. That being said, the article is also correct in that they may throw dumb money at him if all else fails. Hopefully, he won't be around when they get to him.

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Maggette misses as much games as manu

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Nope, he misses more.

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I don't honestly expect that degree of sober thinking to invade an NBA front office -- particularly the front office in Oakland, which has managed to avoid being just about the worst in professional sports primarily because of one playoff run and the coincidental failures with the Hawks. But as a Spurs fan, I certainly hope that someone convinces Chris Mullin and Don Nelson to think about the future a bit and consider how little it would do for them to spend big on Maggette now.

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The Warriors seem to have done better as of late with their contracts. They could have easily thrown a fair amount of $ at Barnes and Pietrus last summer. But they didn't. Granted, I think their reluctance was driven mainly by planning for this summer. We'll see what kind of contracts they give Biendrins and Ellis.

Maggette does nothing for them save for adding another scoring wing who could probably put up 20 a night in their offense. I recall seeing that the Warriors might be interested in him for close to the MLE. 5 yrs, $40 mil would be a good price for him and it would give them a tradeable piece over the next couple of years.

I'm still not sure why the Warriors aren't all over Josh Smith right about now.

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Spurs have about 10% chance of maggete coming. I really hope Spurs office is pursuing other options

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10%%!!???

haha..have u been reading the reports lately?

id say more around 50% chance of getting him

10% is just a fan saying that to reverse-jinx haha..

the risk here is that we're playing against an incompetent franchise..the Warriors have gotten better in regards to their management, but their IS the chance that they mess up here..Maggette really doesn't help them in any way, and he wouldn't even guarantee them a playoff spot..he isn't young enough to fit in their future plans..there's no reason for the Warriors to sign him..every Warrior fan I've talked to has agreed with me on this..but there's a chance that they do, just to make up for their loss of Baron, and to make a move that they feel would convince their fans that they're still trying to field a competitive team..

this would be a terrible signing for the Dubs, because they would most likely have to overpay to get Maggette, since he's not gonna pick them over us, or Boston, if the offer is the MLE from all the teams involved..

I'd say it continues to be 50%, like xtreme said..

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They're pursuing Brand, right?

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Maggette does nothing for them save for adding another scoring wing who could probably put up 20 a night in their offense. I recall seeing that the Warriors might be interested in him for close to the MLE. 5 yrs, $40 mil would be a good price for him and it would give them a tradeable piece over the next couple of years.

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I'd think Maggette would be hard to move with a big number like that -- particularly in a couple of years if his body has broken down. I guess he could create down-the-road value in a gambling sense, but little more. I'm still not sure that Team Wing is in great need of another such player, but who knows? Maybe Nellie's plan is to push the throttle to levels not seen since Doug Moe was walking the sideline in Denver and wants to have about 10 athletic wings on his roster.

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I'm still not sure why the Warriors aren't all over Josh Smith right about now.

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Yeah, that would make absolute sense to me -- far more sense than Maggette. So would pursuit of say, Emeka Okafor. I would guess that the absence of news about Smith to GST might be indicative of Smith's choice to sign with Philly and see if Atlanta matches. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a play for Okafor (though maybe he's told everyone he prefers to stay in Charlotte or maybe there's a pervasive sense that Charlotte would match just about any offer) and Deng (same).

actually the warriors should be pursuing a PG....

Stephon Marbury anyone?

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10%%!!???

haha..have u been reading the reports lately?

id say more around 50% chance of getting him

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reports? mostly are rumors not reports.

- he is one of biggest free agents, some other team could easily work something out
- spurs are not only contenders anymore
- it's san antonio, he might want to move to bigger city

The CM concerns brought up in the article are one reason why I'm so enthusiatic about the Spurs going after him. As MB has pointed out, being able to provide a 2 year deal or opt-out after two years not only protects CM's interests by allowing him back on the market in a more player-friendly summer, it protects the Spurs as well. I'd be nervous locking this guy up for a long time when it is unclear how well he would adjust to the Spurs schemes. To paraphrase Charles Barkley, you can have all the talent in the world, and still be a knucklehead. That being said, the fact that they are going after him says to me they think CM can make the transition to Spurs Basketball.

Mullin got burned hard with Foyle, hard to see him overpaying for a MLE perimeter player.

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Wasn't this already discussed?

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If you already read it, ignore the thread...seems pretty simple to me.

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If you already read it, ignore the thread...seems pretty simple to me.

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Don't like what he says, ignore his comment... seems pretty simple to me.

And he was honestly asking that question, he wasn't being a douche.

True Hoop has taken this on as well:

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I can't decide what to make of that guy. At his best, he's very, very good.

He can do a lot of things that a lot of other players can not do. His PER is not bad. It's not hard to make a highlight reel of him. (And this I know: Corey Maggette has better peripheral vision than your Average Joe. But nobody's perfect.)

But is that stuff essential to winning a title? Thus far, you'd have to guess not, as things don't seem to work well for his team when he's playing.

And if ends up in San Antonio -- where he would play a role in a well-established system -- I assume his athleticism and shooting will be put to good use, and he would be a fantastic fourth or fifth best player. I would like to see that.

But if Maggette ends up somewhere like Golden State, where he will be expected to help define the team? Then I am crossing my fingers and hoping that he has been developing a lot as he has been aging. Because he has not been part of a winning system, and he's not about to get more athletic.

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Also worth noting: The team that knows him best is apparently willing to let him go for cap space, while almost no team with big money to spend has made him their main target in free agency.

All that said, I would be very interested to hear from those who have watched him day in and day out in Clipperland. Do you think he's worth big money?

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http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...html?post=true

http://www.examiner.com/x-441-Golden...riors-Examiner

He would have been worth the MLE, but the Warriors overpaid...good luck to them both.

On to Plan B!!!!

On the bright side of this, it kills all of this "mags this, mags that, mags the savior, what would mag's # be, mag's favorite color, cereal, ocean, etc." hoopla.

Personally, I think Mags would have the same impact as Derek Anderson did.

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On the bright side of this, it kills all of this "mags this, mags that, mags the savior, what would mag's # be, mag's favorite color, cereal, ocean, etc." hoopla.

Personally, I think Mags would have the same impact as Derek Anderson did.

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I agree..I thought it was fucking ludicrous to see people saying that Maggette would be offered Manu's starting spot. What nonsense. Maggette is not a franchise player and would excel in a support role. Ginobili is a killa. He only came off the bench because Mike Finley needed more minutes with Tim and Tony. Manu does what he does regardless of who is on the floor with him.

If we are lucky enough to get JR Smith, I'll be thrilled. People talk about his ridiculous 3's (which is accurate) but the dude could take the ball to the rim at Parker pace AND finish w/dunks. That's what we need.

I Just hope maggette won't go to warriors:/

Maggette signing for GS means he cares more about money than winning. Which is exactly the kind of player the Spurs don't really want joining their club.

From GS's perspective, this makes no sense. Maggette plays the same position as Stephen Jackson, and he's not as good. Of all teams in the league, GS is the one team that DOESN'T need him.

I'm disappointed, but I'm OK, because this signing shows Maggette to be the kind of player we don't really want. If he had spurned us for Boston or LA or Orlando, I would have been more upset, because then it would have been more clear he was chasing what the Spurs could offer (winning a championship) and didn't think the Spurs had it. But this signing just shows he's chasing money. So, onto someone who wants to WIN.

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Maggette signing for GS means he cares more about money than winning. Which is exactly the kind of player the Spurs don't really want joining their club.

From GS's perspective, this makes no sense. Maggette plays the same position as Stephen Jackson, and he's not as good. Of all teams in the league, GS is the one team that DOESN'T need him.

I'm disappointed, but I'm OK, because this signing shows Maggette to be the kind of player we don't really want. If he had spurned us for Boston or LA or Orlando, I would have been more upset, because then it would have been more clear he was chasing what the Spurs could offer (winning a championship) and didn't think the Spurs had it. But this signing just shows he's chasing money. So, onto someone who wants to WIN.

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+1

I wish we could get him:(