This is pretty much our final chance to stay a contender for the remainder of the Duncan era.
At least we now know we have to go hard after JR. Sign him to an offer tomorrow and start praying. :depressed
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This is pretty much our final chance to stay a contender for the remainder of the Duncan era.
At least we now know we have to go hard after JR. Sign him to an offer tomorrow and start praying. :depressed
Azubuike looks like he could be a good buy in this market. I don't think it's quite JR Smith or Bust yet ... but it's getting close to that.
Step away from the shower rod. Bring back our own free agents, and if the Spurs are healthy I still like their chances.
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Originally Posted by timvp
we HAVE to sign one of these guys or we are fucked. talk about when it rains it pours...first splitter and now this.
Azubuike is the safer bet in terms of availability, cost, length of contract but he doesn't have the potential to put the Spurs over the top. Will Pop go safe or roll the dice?
JR Smith ain't gonna do jack shit for this team.
Fuck that. Spurs would be lucky to get out of round one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Maggette wasn't a realistic option at the start of the offseason. Spurs are basically in the same situation than before the offseason.
Things haven't gone worse, for the moment...
I like JR better than Maggs cause he does everything Maggs does but he shoots the 3 better
Smith's ability to catch and shoot would seamlessly transition into what the Spurs do offensively. Everything else about him and his game needs reworking but he has the potential to be the best shooter in the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Any team with a Duncan, Parker and Ginobili together is a serious contender. Acting like its JR Smith or SA will not contend for anything the rest of the Duncan era is bullshit
Azubuike is no better than Udoka.....This is a guy who averages 8 ppg......and plays on a fast team...the only player now who could make us better assuming he doesnt act out is Ricky Davis.....he can score is athletic and is only 28...can shoot the three...and get to the rim......next I would say Delfino but Im sure Tor will match a MLE offer....they have only one other sg on the team. Mason from washington is Ok but not athletic.....I say look to trade for a wing...maybe try to sign Krstic form Jersey...
Azubuike would be an okay consolation prize, Delfino would not.
JR is huge though.
I really don't think Denver could match and pay him $11M a year.
Make an offer to Ryan Gomes. Resign Barry and Thomas. Hope Hairston & Gist surpass expectations. Hope Hill is capable of 8+ ppg and defends like Gary Payton in his prime. Hope Mahinmi plays out of his mind. Grab a summer league surprise. Whew.
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tully365
If that's the case, then the future chances for the Tim Duncan era are slim and none. (And, as Chick Hearn used to say, "Slim just left town.")Quote:
Originally Posted by 50 cent
But I don't think it is . . .
Smith probably hurts this team more than he helps but they probably have to risk it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
We still have The Saviour:
http://www.spursandcowboys.com/images/mahinmi.bmp
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
:lol, I couldn't find that one quickly.
I agree with you that the nuggets would take it in the butt if they matched for Smith, but if you look at the nuggets roster they have no other sg on the roster so if they lose smith were do they go? So I think they will match.Quote:
Originally Posted by 50 cent
Hell, I don't know - they sign some scrubs for the minimum. They are already at $76M without matching Smith and the Luxury Tax Threshold will probably be $71-72M.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
So, why would the Spurs need both Azubuike and Udoka?
Other than for the entertainment value of listening to commentators try to say their names?
That Iver whatever guy is okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
Oh get off it you fucking drama queen queef snorting dumbass.
Though I think Denver would match any offer if the Spurs can get JR Smith to sign a deal then they need to do it.
With Maggette, Pietrus, Posey, James Jones and possibly Delfino already off the market there's no harm in risking it now.
It's not like they'd be missing out on anybody except Azubuike.
That's a good question. If the Spurs sign Kelenna, then that should make Udoka tradeable, if he wasn't already. Kelenna is basically a better scoring Udoka.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
does he still play for the nuggs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Azubuike is kinda like the athletic version of Udoka. But then again he's British so that may be nullified.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
No offense Sequ.
What position do you think AI plays?Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
If they make an offer, don't they lock up that money until the Nuggets match?Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
I see your point I think he would be as good a fit as meggette and he is much younger. If we dont get him I think we could be in some trouble.....maybe look to a team like Min or Orlando who both now have a glut at Sg and see if one will give us one on the cheepQuote:
Originally Posted by 50 cent
Posey and Delfino are both on the market. Those rumors concerning those two guys are weak. But yeah, the rest of the players you mentioned look to be signed.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
I think that the Spurs can rescind the offer if something better comes along or if they have a strong feeling that the Nuggets will match it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
They wouldn't get a strong feeling until the very end, when everyone else could be gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop
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Originally Posted by timvp
That would be more like a sinking feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
With Maggette off the market I wouldn't be surprised if Boston gives in to his demands of the full MLE. So either NO or Boston I think are the odds on favorites for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Delfino . . . ugh. I think I might rather risk Hairston as the opening day starter after an unsuccessful offer sheet with JR Smith.
I agree that Delfemale is not a preferred end result to this offseason.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
If this happen than we're completely fucked. Are you fucking serious? At least try JR or Kelena firstQuote:
Originally Posted by Tully365
Last year he started every game at Pg with smith at the 2 anthony the 3 martin the 4 and camby the 5.....the nuggets are thin at both G pos.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop
I think I will shoot myself if Delfino is out starting SG.
But realistically, you don't need duplicates of that particular skill set. Other than providing some more swing depth, I'm not sure how that helps them in their weak areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/3...3eb908ba_o.jpgQuote:
British
Sequ
Try for JR Smith, Childress, or Azubuike Any one of those would still be a big win for the Spurs...
Save your ammo. If Delfino gets signed, Manu moves back into the starting lineup. It was Finley's terrible play off the bench that typically moved Manu into the sixth man role.Quote:
Originally Posted by 50 cent
We could do a lot worse than Delfino, he is athletic and can shoot and get to the rack.....not gonna be an all star but better than Fin or Barry or God forbid we start Udoka at sg and bowen at the 3..........I dont think I could watch that!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 50 cent
The reason I really want JR is because we need scoring, not defense. JR can man up, but he is athletic and he can shoot the hell out of the ball.
Kelenna would be a big time consolation to JR.
Delfino is Jack's dumb plays without the good ones.
what are you guys freaking out about? we have george hill!:lol
:cry
Yes hes good but cant play both spots and if they let smith go then they are stuck starting anthony carter who is 193 yrs old and has bad knees....Oh and no back ups at either spot...........If we cant get a G that will make us better, Go after a scorer like Gomes or C like krsticQuote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I still think the lineup math works better with Manu off the bench. Pop has three major objectives with the minutes distribution:Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
1. Keep Manu around 30 minutes or less.
2. Keep 2 of the Big 3 on the court as much as possible.
3. Have the big 3 on the floor for the last 5 minutes of the game.
It hard to accomplish all three of those if Manu starts. The only chance is if Delfino (or somebody else) can provide enough scoring so he doesn't have to enforce #2.
J.R. Smith had a grand total of ZERO starts last year for the Nuggets.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
Also, they run Kleiza at the 2 a lot as well.
This is a joke, right?
JR Smith the savior of the team now? Fucking crackhead.
Yeah, i think they would run Kleiza/Carmello at the 2/3.
And Kleiza got his ass beat which is why he moved to the bench.....You could start anyone at any spot doesnt make them that pos......Klieza is a sf nothing more nothing less......they also played martin at the sg if that tells you how bad off they are .......and you saw what Kobe did to his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop
Stick to agent school, dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
You done turning tricks for the night already????? Those damn gas pricesQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Nyuck nyuck nyuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
You would have been better off just saying you've never seen Azubuike play than spend the time to post that crap you posted.
Before Stephen Jackson returned from suspension Kelenna was putting up 20 a night. Kinda hard to average more than 8 PPG when you're coming off the bench and filling what's left of the minutes that Stephen Jackson and Monta Ellis don't...
I wish you'd just go back to spursreport, your stupidity fits right in there.
thank God spursfans will stop dreaming with Baggette now.
I am also not convinced with JR. He won't make or break the Spurs. As long as we sign someone like Pietrus/Azubuke and healthy we should still be contenders.
I am not worried.
I have watched the guy play since he was at kentucky not sayn hes a bad player but his numbers are inflated from playn in a systme that allows him to put up numbers. In the spurs slow down tempo, if you project him into the lineup he gets 8-9 ppg in 27 min about what Fin gave us. I think for that fact Ricky Davis would be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
He averaged 8.5 PPG in 20 MPG last year. Finley averaged 10 in 27. :lol
He'd be a double figures scorer for the Spurs. And again, this is about finding someone to shoot the ball a lot during the regular season to keep the load off Manu and the scoring load off the big 3.
If you don't think he'd get significantly more touches as our starting 2guard than he got coming off the bench playing with Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, Barnes, and Pietrus (bunch of chuckers), you shouldn't be posting on this board.
Ricky Davis. Just shoot me. A guy who has been traded multiple times and managed to make every team he's been traded to worse. When you look up bad game judgement there's a picture of Davis.
Nonsense, spursman20 got him in the NBA Agent Fantasy Hoops League about four years ago and the guy was money.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
LMAO! In that case RC needs to go get him!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
I think Denver doesn't match simply because I think they'd go after someone cheaper like Azubuike. Spurs need to make a full MLE offer for five years and then sell him on starting, etc.
Iverson is their SG.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
Carter is their starting Point. JR comes off the bench.
Jr Smith Or Get The Fork Out!
Got any more lies?Quote:
Originally Posted by brettn
One discouraging thing about signing Smith is that Denver dumped their pick to save money. Hard to believe they'd dump the pick and be willing to lose Smith.
Do you just make stuff up as you go along? How many times have you been exposed in telling lies - only to move on as if you never made the statements in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
Why is that so hard to believe? They're already at $78M with 5 more players needed to fill out their minimum 13 man roster. If you make it short, and the full MLE, I think they'll pass, rather than gut the team for a player who could walk unrestricted in 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
If they let him walk, his $3M qual offer comes off, knocking them down to $75M, only $4M over the tax. They the go out and fill the roster with (now) 6 more cheap players, and maybe they get away under $80M, and the tax doesn't bite them too hard. If they match, they're at $80M before filling out the roster.
OTOH, if they were willing to dump their pick to save around $1M why would they match an offer of $6M/yr on a guy they have coming off of the bench?Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
I hope so. That's who I want the Spurs to make a play for. I even prefer him to having gotten Maggette if Pop can get to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
I completely agree that it works, and I understand the logic of it. I don't just go throwing the starting job at anyone and just expecting Manu to continue to be okay with coming off the bench unless I've discussed it with him beforehand, though. Some of his comments regarding the 6MOY award lead me to believe that he's really setting his ego aside for the good of the team, and it would be a mistake IMHO to just take it for granted by giving a scrub, particularly one from Argentina, his spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
I would be really surprised to see the FO pursue JR Smith. He's the prototype of players we don't hire: poor character guy, abysmal defender, horrible shot selection. He's also a player that can't create his own shot, so as far as providing a spark from the bench, forget about it.
And for those pointing to Ricky Davis, it's the same situation, but with an even bigger prima donna.
I think the Spurs will send out a few offers for part of the MLE, re-sign Finley, try to re-sign Barry, and save the rest of the money. Then they'll take another look mid-season, once they have an idea how Mahimi and our first round draft pick are working, and how other teams are doing.
Don't me wrong, I'm all for bringing him over but as much as JR Smith can help us, it's probably safe to pass him by. Not because of his attitude, but because of the Spurs' situation in case he were to be matched by Denver.
A lot can happen in a week. Suppose we sign JR to an offer sheet tomorrow. Then when next week comes around, Childress, Azubuike, Mason, Posey, hell maybe even Delfino can be signed. Then the Nuggets match the offer and JR is unable to come to San Antonio.
What to do now? Re-sign Barry, sign Hayes, and call it offseason? :vomit:
But then again, that's all assuming Denver is out to match his offer, no questions asked. I'm just trying to be aware of all the possible outcomes.
I'll admit to watching very little Nuggets' basketball this past season, but I believe that the criticism of J.R. Smith's defense is over-exaggerated - and he had very little trouble creating his own shot in the series against the Lakers (although granted they are not a defensive juggernaut).Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
http://www.foxsports.com.au/common/i...5271150,00.jpgQuote:
I would be really surprised to see the FO pursue JR Smith. He's the prototype of players we don't hire: poor character guy, abysmal defender, horrible shot selection. He's also a player that can't create his own shot, so as far as providing a spark from the bench, forget about it
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
When are people going to grasp the concept that neither Childress nor Josh Smith will be signed away from Atlanta for the MLE? Seriously, scratch them both off your list.Quote:
Originally Posted by lamence
Carter is a FREE AGENT.......Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Both aren't on my list. And I'm not one to promote the thought of signing Childress, just adding his name so those who think it's a possibility to sign him can somewhat get the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
And weak username change. :td
Do you think G S will match an offer for K A?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
It's a forgone conclusion he will be resigning, Mr. Agent. :rollin
Haha, just having some fun with ya...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Bottomtooth
I'm just tired of seeing people mention Childress and Josh Smith. It's been covered about a million times in the forum already - Atlanta will happily match a MLE offer for either.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100682Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
Anthony Carter More than Likely to Re-sign with Nuggets
You're the agent, why don't you tell us?Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
That's not the point. You said ...Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
and that's not the case at all. Smith never started at the 2. He never started last year.Quote:
Last year he (Iverson) started every game at Pg with smith at the 2 anthony the 3 martin the 4 and camby the 5.....the nuggets are thin at both G pos.....
Carter-Iverson-Anthony-Martin-Camby - That was the starting lineup. Carter started 67 of the 70 games he played at PG last year. So how do you figure AI started at point every game?
Next time you sign up at a forum and pretend to be an agent, watch a few NBA games first.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
And I'm not even exactly how well Childress will help us out. He's not exactly that fourth scorer we need...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
He's 25 but can only score less then 12 points a game with 30 minutes of time? On the Hawks? No thanks.
:corn:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Yeah, I guess he meets the 'long three' criteria, but we're past that point as far as the needs of the Spurs go. We need someone to fill up the basket and keep Manu's minutes down until the playoffs roll around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Bottomtooth
Oh shizzle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
I guess Carter was good enough to start when he was 192 years old...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
From Rocky Mountain News...
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...e-keep-najera/Quote:
San Antonio might look at Smith after its offer to Corey Maggette has apparently fallen through. Maggette looks bound for Golden State.
But is it just more speculation? Has there been concrete evidence of interest from the FO?
I watched quite a bit at the end of the season, when they were fighting for survival against GSW. If by 'creating his own shot' you mean jacking up ill-advised treys, sure. Granted, he has turned into a very streaky shooter, and he is athletic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop
But his basketball IQ is really down there, and he has had to apologize to teammates for screwups time and time again. I think Pop will already have a project to work on in G-Hill, and if he could have Posey for the same money, I'm pretty sure that's where he'll go.
Again, the sample size is VERY small but when I am referring to him creating his own shot, I am zeroing in on him slashing to the hoop on several occasions during that Lakers series in the Playoffs along with the pull-up jumpers that he hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Good find. Tomorrow is the day to make the offer to JR Smith because it'll put the pressure on the Nuggets to act fast. We'll know soon whether he's Target 1A.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
Would they go with a long term MLE deal or a short term one? A long term deal is just that: a long term commitment. But it also would lock in a young and talented swingman at an average price for the next 5 seasons. That might make matching more palatable for the Nuggets as they could see him as the 2 guard of the future after AI (whose contract ends next summer) is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
A short term deal would mean that the Nuggets would likely have to face paying him a larger amount to retain him in the near future, after paying him double his salary in 2008-09 ($11 mil total) on top of all of the other $10+ mil contracts they have.