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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
ShoogarBear
I still think the lineup math works better with Manu off the bench. Pop has three major objectives with the minutes distribution:
1. Keep Manu around 30 minutes or less.
2. Keep 2 of the Big 3 on the court as much as possible.
3. Have the big 3 on the floor for the last 5 minutes of the game.
It hard to accomplish all three of those if Manu starts. The only chance is if Delfino (or somebody else) can provide enough scoring so he doesn't have to enforce #2.
I completely agree that it works, and I understand the logic of it. I don't just go throwing the starting job at anyone and just expecting Manu to continue to be okay with coming off the bench unless I've discussed it with him beforehand, though. Some of his comments regarding the 6MOY award lead me to believe that he's really setting his ego aside for the good of the team, and it would be a mistake IMHO to just take it for granted by giving a scrub, particularly one from Argentina, his spot.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
I would be really surprised to see the FO pursue JR Smith. He's the prototype of players we don't hire: poor character guy, abysmal defender, horrible shot selection. He's also a player that can't create his own shot, so as far as providing a spark from the bench, forget about it.
And for those pointing to Ricky Davis, it's the same situation, but with an even bigger prima donna.
I think the Spurs will send out a few offers for part of the MLE, re-sign Finley, try to re-sign Barry, and save the rest of the money. Then they'll take another look mid-season, once they have an idea how Mahimi and our first round draft pick are working, and how other teams are doing.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
Don't me wrong, I'm all for bringing him over but as much as JR Smith can help us, it's probably safe to pass him by. Not because of his attitude, but because of the Spurs' situation in case he were to be matched by Denver.
A lot can happen in a week. Suppose we sign JR to an offer sheet tomorrow. Then when next week comes around, Childress, Azubuike, Mason, Posey, hell maybe even Delfino can be signed. Then the Nuggets match the offer and JR is unable to come to San Antonio.
What to do now? Re-sign Barry, sign Hayes, and call it offseason? :vomit:
But then again, that's all assuming Denver is out to match his offer, no questions asked. I'm just trying to be aware of all the possible outcomes.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
I would be really surprised to see the FO pursue JR Smith. He's the prototype of players we don't hire: poor character guy, abysmal defender, horrible shot selection. He's also a player that can't create his own shot, so as far as providing a spark from the bench, forget about it.
I'll admit to watching very little Nuggets' basketball this past season, but I believe that the criticism of J.R. Smith's defense is over-exaggerated - and he had very little trouble creating his own shot in the series against the Lakers (although granted they are not a defensive juggernaut).
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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I would be really surprised to see the FO pursue JR Smith. He's the prototype of players we don't hire: poor character guy, abysmal defender, horrible shot selection. He's also a player that can't create his own shot, so as far as providing a spark from the bench, forget about it
http://www.foxsports.com.au/common/i...5271150,00.jpg
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
Aggie Hoopsfan
:lol
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by lamence
Then when next week comes around, Childress, Azubuike, Mason, Posey, hell maybe even Delfino can be signed.
When are people going to grasp the concept that neither Childress nor Josh Smith will be signed away from Atlanta for the MLE? Seriously, scratch them both off your list.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
exstatic
Iverson is their SG.
Carter is their starting Point. JR comes off the bench.
Carter is a FREE AGENT.......
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
Aggie Hoopsfan
When are people going to grasp the concept that neither Childress nor Josh Smith will be signed away from Atlanta for the MLE? Seriously, scratch them both off your list.
Both aren't on my list. And I'm not one to promote the thought of signing Childress, just adding his name so those who think it's a possibility to sign him can somewhat get the picture.
And weak username change. :td
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
Aggie Hoopsfan
Do you think G S will match an offer for K A?
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
spurman20
Carter is a FREE AGENT.......
:lol
It's a forgone conclusion he will be resigning, Mr. Agent. :rollin
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
Mr.Bottomtooth
Both aren't on my list. And I'm not one to promote the thought of signing Childress, just adding his name so those who think it's a possibility to sign him can somewhat get the picture.
And weak username change. :td
Haha, just having some fun with ya...
I'm just tired of seeing people mention Childress and Josh Smith. It's been covered about a million times in the forum already - Atlanta will happily match a MLE offer for either.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
spurman20
Carter is a FREE AGENT.......
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100682
Anthony Carter More than Likely to Re-sign with Nuggets
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
spurman20
Do you think G S will match an offer for K A?
You're the agent, why don't you tell us?
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
spurman20
Carter is a FREE AGENT.......
That's not the point. You said ...
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Last year he (Iverson) started every game at Pg with smith at the 2 anthony the 3 martin the 4 and camby the 5.....the nuggets are thin at both G pos.....
and that's not the case at all. Smith never started at the 2. He never started last year.
Carter-Iverson-Anthony-Martin-Camby - That was the starting lineup. Carter started 67 of the 70 games he played at PG last year. So how do you figure AI started at point every game?
Next time you sign up at a forum and pretend to be an agent, watch a few NBA games first.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
Buddy Holly
You're the agent, why don't you tell us?
:lol
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Originally Posted by
Aggie Hoopsfan
Haha, just having some fun with ya...
I'm just tired of seeing people mention Childress and Josh Smith. It's been covered about a million times in the forum already - Atlanta will happily match a MLE offer for either.
And I'm not even exactly how well Childress will help us out. He's not exactly that fourth scorer we need...
He's 25 but can only score less then 12 points a game with 30 minutes of time? On the Hawks? No thanks.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
Kori Ellis
That's not the point. You said ...
and that's not the case at all. Smith never started at the 2. He never started last year.
Carter-Iverson-Anthony-Martin-Camby - That was the starting lineup. Carter started 67 of the 70 games he played at PG last year. So how do you figure AI started at point every game?
Next time you sign up at a forum and pretend to be an agent, watch a few NBA games first.
:corn:
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
Mr.Bottomtooth
:lol
And I'm not even exactly how well Childress will help us out. He's not exactly that fourth scorer we need...
He's 25 but can only score less then 12 points a game with 30 minutes of time? On the Hawks? No thanks.
Yeah, I guess he meets the 'long three' criteria, but we're past that point as far as the needs of the Spurs go. We need someone to fill up the basket and keep Manu's minutes down until the playoffs roll around.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
Kori Ellis
That's not the point. You said ...
and that's not the case at all. Smith never started at the 2. He never started last year.
Carter-Iverson-Anthony-Martin-Camby - That was the starting lineup. Carter started 67 of the 70 games he played at PG last year. So how do you figure AI started at point every game?
Next time you sign up at a forum and pretend to be an agent, watch a few NBA games first.
Oh shizzle.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
Kori Ellis
That's not the point. You said ...
and that's not the case at all. Smith never started at the 2. He never started last year.
Carter-Iverson-Anthony-Martin-Camby - That was the starting lineup. Carter started 67 of the 70 games he played at PG last year. So how do you figure AI started at point every game?
Next time you sign up at a forum and pretend to be an agent, watch a few NBA games first.
I guess Carter was good enough to start when he was 192 years old...
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
From Rocky Mountain News...
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San Antonio might look at Smith after its offer to Corey Maggette has apparently fallen through. Maggette looks bound for Golden State.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...e-keep-najera/
But is it just more speculation? Has there been concrete evidence of interest from the FO?
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
Kindergarten Cop
I'll admit to watching very little Nuggets' basketball this past season, but I believe that the criticism of J.R. Smith's defense is over-exaggerated - and he had very little trouble creating his own shot in the series against the Lakers (although granted they are not a defensive juggernaut).
I watched quite a bit at the end of the season, when they were fighting for survival against GSW. If by 'creating his own shot' you mean jacking up ill-advised treys, sure. Granted, he has turned into a very streaky shooter, and he is athletic.
But his basketball IQ is really down there, and he has had to apologize to teammates for screwups time and time again. I think Pop will already have a project to work on in G-Hill, and if he could have Posey for the same money, I'm pretty sure that's where he'll go.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
I watched quite a bit at the end of the season, when they were fighting for survival against GSW. If by 'creating his own shot' you mean jacking up ill-advised treys, sure. Granted, he has turned into a very streaky shooter, and he is athletic.
But his basketball IQ is really down there, and he has had to apologize to teammates for screwups time and time again. I think Pop will already have a project to work on in G-Hill, and if he could have Posey for the same money, I'm pretty sure that's where he'll go.
Again, the sample size is VERY small but when I am referring to him creating his own shot, I am zeroing in on him slashing to the hoop on several occasions during that Lakers series in the Playoffs along with the pull-up jumpers that he hit.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
PHAT TONY
Good find. Tomorrow is the day to make the offer to JR Smith because it'll put the pressure on the Nuggets to act fast. We'll know soon whether he's Target 1A.
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Re: JR Smith: The Remainder of the Tim Duncan Era Hangs in Limbo
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Originally Posted by
timvp
Good find. Tomorrow is the day to make the offer to JR Smith because it'll put the pressure on the Nuggets to act fast. We'll know soon whether he's Target 1A.
Would they go with a long term MLE deal or a short term one? A long term deal is just that: a long term commitment. But it also would lock in a young and talented swingman at an average price for the next 5 seasons. That might make matching more palatable for the Nuggets as they could see him as the 2 guard of the future after AI (whose contract ends next summer) is done.
A short term deal would mean that the Nuggets would likely have to face paying him a larger amount to retain him in the near future, after paying him double his salary in 2008-09 ($11 mil total) on top of all of the other $10+ mil contracts they have.
