Spurs Sign Roger Mason Jr.

Ok, but overall, where would you rank his defensive performance for the year? Was he one of the worst on the team? One of the best? In the middle?

Also, after reading some of the comments in here with regards to his defensive abilities coming in, did he surpass, just meet or fall below defensive expectations?

I forgot about this thread :lol

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

You keep asking me questions and then when I answer you say WTH does that have to do with anything. You asked, "who is they". I answered

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i'm wondering why you think it should matter - this season could be much different. Not why you answered.

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What you continue to fail to recognize is that I am calling the "I told you so" on people being douches to me. Not on Mason. People saying "do you know the game kid...". Mason fit my description, that is not a bad thing. This is not about me being "right" about Mason, it is about needling people for some of their comments.

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I do understand, but I think you are a bit off base with your description.

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Well we are discussing what he can do. Anyone can do anything by your logic. Duncan can dribble quite well, but would he be an effective PG? No. Mason is not an effective PG, so what is the point at saying he can play point?

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I'm just trying to clear up what misconceptions people had that you were so right about and they were so wrong about. Is it a misconception that he can't play point nor defense, even though Pop said he can do both?

You're ignoring my angle on the issue, which is that he could be - will be required to be - stronger on defense this season. IE, too early for "i told you so's". Is your angle different? why don't you tell me yours?

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Defense has nothing to do with the offensive weight he had on his shoulders. Sure you might be able to argue he was more tired than normal from taking on more offensive responsibility, but that is pretty weak imo.

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This was his first year with a big role, and that role increased substantially and even unexpectedly as the season went on. I think his legs came out from under him because he wasn't used it. He's worked on that and he won't be called on as much this year. I think that couple translate into better defense - besides the obvious, if he doesn't play D he'll be on the bench.

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I clearly said that I did not like that he was the "main" move. The signing in and of itself was fine. The fact that it was the big move, was not.

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Why was it a "big" move? because the Spurs made a steal according to "everyone" but you?

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Don't be so literal. I was making a point that pointing out a weakness or misconception about a players game is not knocking the guy. It would be different if I said "Mason is garbage and he sucks so bad, what a worthless...". I did not. I gave a player assessment from what I had seen.

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Fair enough. But I still get the feeling you feel he somehow should have succeeded in situations he doesn't have enough ability to do anything in but fail.

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Not at all. The Spurs lost. That does not make me happy. What makes me happy is knowing the Spurs made enough moves to give them a chance, which gives Roger a chance to excel.

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Roger did excel - just not in the role he was required to if he we wanted a championship. Not unexpected for a 3.5 million dollar role player.

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I actually said he did better than I thought, and that was with his increased role. He could not be successful in the role many envisioned him in and in the role fate thrust him in last year.

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Agreed

I don't feel like doing the entire quote thing anymore so I will say these last few things:

The misconceptions were that "he was known for his defense". He has never been a great defender. Pop was wrong about Mason being able to play point in this system. In a more hectic system where you can take bad shots (like Washington) he looked decent. But overall, he cannot do it with any amount of success for sustained periods of time. He might be able to have some success every once and a while, but not overall. It is not his strength. He is not quick enough and his ball handling is not strong enough.

These are not the Spurs of old. Mason does not have to be better on defense, same with Bonner. Bonner actually did ok. Would it be nice if Mason picked it up? Of course. Pop will not be benching many people because of defense anymore. He does not have the luxury. Unless some new guys turn into defensive dynamos, the Spurs seem to be going for more offense.

He will never turn into something more than what he is, or at least not a quantum leap. Even if he improves his defense next year in a reduced role, he will not "be known" for his defense, which is what people were saying. The "I told you so" will not change the fact my scouting report on him was accurate. He can still play a great role for the Spurs, but the scouting report will not change. That is my angle.

It was a "big move" because that took up most of the Spurs MLE. Once again, do not be so literal. When I say "big move" I did not mean the Spurs expected him to become part of a big 4, but that he was their biggest signing that summer.

I don't get how you can say I think he should have succeeded in situations he can't because that was my whole point. To make an assessment of what he can and cannot do.

Lastly, I did not bump the thread, but I will not apologize for needling some people every once and a while :lol

I agree with everything DPG said the first 10 or so pages of this thread. He was spot on in his description of Mason. Kudos to him.

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Originally Posted by EricB

What do you want, a cookie?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Short term contract for a bench role.

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:lmao :lmao

^ If Manu was healthy, it probably would have been a bench role.

Overall I am happy with Mason and I am glad the Spurs have him to play his role. I wish his defense would pick up, but I like what he brings to a stacked team like the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Your not gonna convince these knuckle heads.

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:lol

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Originally Posted by hater

good, good. I think this means Barry is going. if not. Mason + Barry will be great off the bench.

I am happy with this. Mason is clutch and has great handles. and is not lazy on D either. and has a nice shot. He is one of the players that came through for Wizards when Arenas was out. He was great when Wiz beat Boston twice in 3 nights.

he will fit in the spurs like a glove. you shall see and quote me on this.

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:tu :tu :tu

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

:lmao what a waste of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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:lmao

thanks whoever bumped this thread!

Except his handles are not great and he sucked on defense and he melted down in the PO's.

Finley is a better defender than Mason physically and mentally. That is a lot to say about Mason's defense.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Except his handles are not great and he sucked on defense and he melted down in the PO's.

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nobody in the Spurs FO expected him to have Bowen type defense. IMO he came as replacement of Barry a clutch good cheap shooter. He was that and then some.

good signing for the money :tu

not to mention he is no PG either. Pop fucked up on that one. But he had no choice, we didnt have a backup PG.

I agree with that, but your post said he had "great handles", "not lazy on D" and "clutch". He did have a fantastic regular season with the game winners, but the playoffs were lacking.

It does not worry me though. He is not the kind of player that can be clutch when teams game plan for him. But when they have TP, Manu, Tim and RJ to worry about, he should step up.

not lazy on D, which means he tries. His D does not suck that bad.

he has good handles for a SG, not a PG

I see him continuing to contribute as a solid backup for the Spurs this season .you can bump this next year.

I think the same thing.