Duncan And Robinson Anchor The Spurs All-Time Squad

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Tim Duncan and David Robinson Anchor the San Antonio Spurs All-Time Squad
Robert Kleeman delivers his all-time San Antonio Spurs team. His bizarre terrific 12, er 13, is littered with the players that drive his obsessive fandom. You can't disagree if you don't read it.
by Robert Kleeman

Those who know the history of San Antonio's only pro sports franchise can appreciate that it still exists there.

Few picked the small market Spurs to succeed in all the ways they have.

When people referred to San Antonio as a "dust bowl" in 1972, there were far less rebuttals available. San Antonio now boasts the ninth-largest population in the United States, and has headquartered some of its most successful corporations, including Clear Channel Communications and AT&T—which recently skipped town.

The Spurs embody San Antonio—not everyone likes to look at them, but no one can deny their presence or greatness.

A group of 36 investors, including Central Texas legend Red McCombs, for whom UT-Austin's business school and a string of car dealerships are named, purchased the Dallas Chaparrals in 1972 and moved them to San Antonio.

Some things about that '72 team stuck—the silver and black motif and the noisy and obnoxious fans—and others didn't. Imagine Bruce Bowen in a red, white and blue "Gunslingers" jersey. Fitting, no? Even Spurs fans can laugh at popular conceptions of the team's players.

The contrast between a 1970s team that belonged to James Silas and George Gervin and the 2000s team that Tim Duncan has manned is stark.

McCombs fired coach Tom Nissalke after a decent 17-10 start because he detested the team's slow, defense-first approach.

New hire Bob Bass transformed the team into an offensive juggernaut. The Spurs' ABA record of holding opponents below 100 points 49 times turned to the squad heaving up record numbers of shots. "You shoot it 100 times, we'll shoot it 107 times," Gervin once said.

The Spurs amassed a string of 50-win seasons and five division titles, but failed to advance in the playoffs against better defensive teams. The Spurs are one of eight teams to blow a 3-1 series lead. They did it in 1979, against the Washington Bullets in the conference finals.

That contrast is also ironic.

The Spurs now have the second-longest tenured coach in the NBA, are led by an owner who dismisses 17-10 starts as "usual rough patches" and have spent most of the decade sending a spitting image of that 1970s team home in the playoffs.

Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire need a time travel device. The Phoenix Suns want to play Bass's Spurs, not the four-time champion that has defined excellence and consistency under Head Coach Gregg Popovich.

The Spurs should have folded when Gervin was traded to the Chicago Bulls after the 1984-1985 season. They became little more than relocation fodder as the fans lost interest in a team that would compile a four-year record of 115-215.

An unexpected gift in 1987 saved the Spurs in every way possible. The Bob Weiss-coached Spurs selected U.S. Naval Academy Product David Robinson with the first pick in that year's draft. Robinson's two-year Navy commitment kept him away, and many speculated that he would enter free agency and ditch San Antonio in the 1989 season.

A sinking franchise and a desperate owner offered the coveted center little incentive to don silver and black. He opted to head for San Antonio to test the gig. He knows why he did it now, but then?

With Robinson at the helm, you could argue that the 1990s Spurs squads did not outperform those led by Gervin. Those years were marked by regular season excellence and postseason futility. Yet, while the Spurs lost key postseason contests to a packed house in the Alamodome—the most bird-brained, useless arena constructed in recent history—there was a new attitude.

The Spurs had made it. San Antonio surpassed its fanatical support of the '70s squads by marrying the Spurs in the '90s.

As with any marriage, there were fights, periods of apparent disinterest, and poor decisions. There is also undeniably a city-team kinship, comparable to New York's Yankees matrimony.

Robinson won an MVP trophy in the 1994-1995 season—the Spurs' 62-20 mark was then a franchise best—but lost to rival center Hakeem Olajuwon and the Houston Rockets in the conference finals in six games.

Friction between Dennis Rodman, Robinson, and other players had injured the squad's chemistry, so management traded the rebounding specialist to the Chicago Bulls, where he would help Michael Jordan win three more titles.

Injuries to most of the starting lineup caused the Spurs to lose a miserable 62 games the following year and land in the lottery. San Antonio's enormous ping pong ball luck in 1997 signaled a new era in NBA history. Almost as remarkable as the Spurs continued success in Central Texas is the laundry list of trends Tim Duncan has reversed or intensified.

The Boston Celtics planned on acquiring Duncan. Fate changed a much predicted course—just as it did when Robinson mulled going elsewhere after the Navy.

Robinson kept the Spurs relevant in San Antonio, then teamed with Duncan to begin the oddest dynasty in pro sports history. Few perennial contenders have evoked more hatred or yawns than the Duncan-era Spurs.

Those who appreciate defensive commitment, ball movement, off-the-court class and teamwork will never consider the Spurs a "boring" or "typical" team. In an era marked by increasing athlete egotism, post-game whining and excuses, the Spurs have been excitingly different.

Popovich works the refs as well as any coach during a game and Duncan's face will always tell you what he thinks of a foul call. Duncan and Popovich also instill and enforce a culture of respect that rivals any in history.

Popovich knows that underestimation and cockiness lead to fast and reliable playoff exits. He demands accountability from his players, and treats excuses like convicted felons. He gives annual lessons in how to manage veterans nearing retirement. He yells mercilessly at some players (see Parker, Tony) because he believes greatness emanates from hard work and tough love.

The Spurs have been great with Duncan or Robinson, but never perfect. No one would accuse the Spurs of producing choir boys, but, no one who watches them can argue the professionalism and class with which the organization operates.

There are too many Spur memories for me to expound upon—Sean Elliott's "Memorial Day Miracle," Robinson's 72-point performance, Avery Johnson's locker-room feud with Terry Porter, watching the Spurs defeat the Detroit Pistons in Game Seven live, watching the Mavericks overthrow the Spurs the next season in a Game Seven live, ".4," The Steve Kerr-led comeback against the Mavs, Johnson's classic championship celebration speech, rife with trash talk ("Did the Utah Jazz win the NBA championship? Hell no!"), and Manu Ginobili's series of 40-point games last season—so I will spare anxious readers.

Just know that I never had to support both the Rockets and Spurs. I choose to fanatically follow two division rivals because the Spurs continue assembling teams I can proudly watch.

What will happen to this team and me supporting it when Duncan leaves is anyone's guess. Who cares? With the Spurs positioned to contend for at least three more years, I give you my all-time San Antonio team.

You will note there are few players from 1970s and early 80s. I have not watched hardwood classics from the Gervin era as much as I have with the Rockets, so my knowledge is less sound. Tim Duncan remains my favorite athlete in any sport, so it should not surprise anyone that most of these players wore Spurs uniforms during some part of his ongoing tenure.

Starting Lineup

PG: Avery Johnson (1991; 1992-1993; 1994-2001)

That thick, Cajun accent dominated every Spur timeout—and his attitude was always louder than his talent. Avery was the face of the Spurs before Duncan—a team that needed to remind people that it was good. Manu Ginobili can afford humility, as his performances do the talking. Avery did not enjoy the same luxury.

The same team that retired his jersey in December cut him twice, and once told him he was a terrible player. Avery's insecurity-inspired antics were strange and compelling—but they marked the kind of guy he was. What he lacked in the human-relations department, he made up for with his heart and drive.

The Spurs could have won the 1999 championship with another point guard, but it wouldn't have been the same Spurs. He traveled a rough road in a rough vehicle, then poured his tribulations into a shot against the New York Knicks that he once told David Letterman contained his entire career.

SG: George "the Iceman" Gervin (1974-1985)

He won an epic scoring title race with a 63-point performance, negating a 73-point one by David Thompson. He morphed an infant franchise from questionable ABA afterthought to a playoff team, and spent all of his formidable years in silver and black as one of the greatest scorers in NBA history.

Gervin owns second place in the all-time blocked shots for guards. He also stays active in the San Antonio community and remains loyal to the Spurs.

SF: Sean Elliott (1989-93; 1994-2001)

One of six players with a retired jersey in the AT&T Center rafters, Elliott is the only one of them to crack the top ten in six statistical categories: games played (third, 669), points (fourth, 9,659), rebounds (sixth, 2,941), assists (seventh, 1,700), steals (eighth, 522), and blocks (ninth, 257).

The defensive-minded "Ninja" spent one season with the Detroit Pistons, but his spirit never left San Antonio. He returned for a brief stint in 2000 after a kidney transplant.

Unlike Clyde Drexler, Elliott's commentary is insightful, well-researched and comedic. I would describe this small forward with a phrase he uses during Spurs telecasts—he had some junk in his game.

PF: Tim "Groundhog Day" Duncan (1997-?)

The greatest power forward ever? I believe it now. His imperfection convinced me that no one else could best him in an all-time list. He sometimes allows layups, misses easy shots, has always struggled from the charity stripe, and has whined to the refs about obvious calls. I think Michael Jordan said it best: "I missed 3,000 shots..."

Duncan may rarely complete an alley-oop and seldom blocks a shot into the first row, but his game has always excited me. There are many reasons why Duncan is my favorite athlete, the one who pushed my basketball spectator-ship from interested to fanatical. I could cite his flawless jump hook, his passing, his career numbers in big games or his deserved reputation as the best help defender of this era.

Instead, I look at every Spurs team since Robinson retired, and see Duncan has imprinted himself in them all.

I have to say, though, that Mike Breen should quit calling him an "underrated star." With four championships, two MVPs, three Finals MVPs, yearly All-NBA and All-Defense selections and 10 All-Star appearances to his credit, I would say no one who knows the game underrates him.

Some may remember the sweltering summer of 2000, when the Orlando Magic tried to lure Duncan to play alongside Grant Hill. Popovich and GM R.C. Buford, according to the San Antonio Express-News, answered Orlando's money dangle with a mess of impressive pie charts convincing Duncan that the team was poised to win if he stayed on board.

In the end, the charts and graphs were meaningless. He decided to stay in San Antonio when the Magic let Duncan know that his wife Amy would not be welcome on team trips.

C: David Robinson (1989-2003)

Robinson, like Gervin and Silas, remains entrenched in the San Antonio community. He bought about 15 percent of the Spurs and attends games now as a part owner. Many franchise stars retire and leave for plusher landscapes or multi-million dollar homes in the hills. Robinson lives a low-key life with his family in a suburban San Antonio neighborhood.

As a Rockets fan during the heat of the I-10 rivalry, I could never bring myself to root against Robinson. My Houston roots kept me a Rockets fan first. The Spurs stole the rest of me thanks to this guy.

I met him briefly at a Spurs game two years ago and his benevolence confirmed everything I thought I saw in him as a player. Thank you, David. Thank you.

The Reserves

PG: Tony Parker (2001-?)

No one who remembers a timid kid who trudged into an abrasive 2001 training camp predicted Parker would become Popovich's "stallion" point guard.

Maybe you saw Pop bench Parker and chew him out in the final two contests of the 2003 NBA Finals. Maybe you saw Speedy Claxton complete the job Parker botched and thought that was harsh. That was nothing.

The die-hard Spurs aficionados saw the worst of it—repeated screaming sessions from Popovich, declarations from the coach that Parker would never win a starting spot on a championship roster, and about everything else you can imagine that might destroy a player's confidence.

But Parker didn't fold, like Beno Udrih. He took Popovich's lofty expectations as a challenge he could conquer and has spent each summer bettering himself. The ESPN crew asked Avery Johnson which point guard was tougher to keep out of the paint, Chris Paul or Parker—and Johnson answered "Tony Parker" without hesitation.

How's this for two opposites—Popovich once remarked to Buford after watching a video of Parker that "this kid cannot finish a layup to save his life." In Game Three of the New Orleans series, he ducked under two defenders for a spectacular finish that kissed the glass and seduced the net.

Or another—in a 2001 contest, I think against the Atlanta Hawks, Parker threw the ball into the stands and Popovich punished him with bench relegation. The coach glared at him constantly and walked over a few times to cuss him out.

In Game Two of the New Orleans series, Parker threw a similarly awful pass at the popcorn vendor. Popovich called Parker over, chatted for a minute, then patted him on the back and said, "it's your game baby."

SG: Manu Ginobili (1999-?)

Ginobili lost the ball at the end of a tight playoff contest against the Sacramento Kings in 2006, and cost the Spurs a chance at a commanding series lead. He then locked his hotel room door the next day so he could berate himself for the mistake.

After the Spurs bowed to the Los Angeles Lakers in five games in May, he blamed his team's shortcomings on himself.

That is why I love Manu. Losing and underperforming destroy him. Winning completes him.

Jon Barry describes Ginobili best—"a daredevil with a little bit of Pistol Pete."

Few other players in today's game have earned such respect from their coach. He may put jet fuel on an errant pass, commit a silly foul or shoot prematurely. Popovich always responds by putting the ball back in his hands. That's because Ginobili's one-speed freneticism has produced mind-boggling results to offset the blunders.

When Ginobili locks and loads, he is second only to Kobe Bryant in the list of explosive shooting guards. Like Parker, he has risen from a low draft spot to craft a Hall of Fame resume.

Olympic gold medalist, European champion, three-time NBA champion and the most talented player coming off the pine each season? That is Manu Ginobili. En las palabras de mis amigos en Argentina, 'es un idolo.'

SF: Bruce Bowen (2001-?)

Bowen is a rare defensive star. When he guards a marquee player, that matchup usually dominates the pregame discussion (see Nash, Steve).

Bowen journeyed between seven teams before the Spurs offered him a shot at a championship. He entered the NBA as an undrafted, semi-tall guy with a flavorless game.

With hard work and dedication, he has parlayed a once-minimal contract with the Spurs into a more than seven-year tenure that should earn his jersey a spot in the rafters.

Call him what you will and bemoan his sometimes-questionable defensive tactics, but bookmark his story as a lesson. He started more than 350 consecutive games, and helped the Spurs win three championships with his defense and ONE signature shot (at 36, he is a physical freak).

San Antonio's hardwood has hosted many veterans who play every night just to keep a roster spot, and Bowen heads the table.

PF: Fabricio Oberto (2005-?)

Many role players have no idea what 'supporting cast' means. Watching Luke Walton and Vlade "Space Cadet" Radmanovic heave moronic shots instead of moving the ball in the NBA Finals reminded me of this epidemic.

Even if Oberto has averaged fewer than 20 minutes per game, frequently lands in foul trouble, and sports only three NBA seasons on his international resume, he does what a role player should.

Instead of trying to heroically win games with plays uncharacteristic of his talent, he embraces his role as the team's garbage man. He taps missed shots out to teammates as well as anyone in the NBA, and craftily finds open spots to score his points.

Sure, he plays with Argentine teammate Ginobili and the greatest power forward of all time—but he plays with them.

The best role players do not always win you games. They never lose you games. Oberto may grab 11 rebounds one night and two rebounds the next. His effort cannot be faulted.

Oberto earns a spot on my all-time list because epitomizes the definition of a role player—do what team management pays you to do, with hustle and intelligence.

PF: Robert Horry (2003-?)

Does Horry deserve a spot in Springfield?

It saddens me that fans in Phoenix and New Orleans will remember two plays that were commonplace in the '90s as a summary of Horry's career.

I condemned Horry after hip-checking Nash for a stupid decision, then called his pick on David West unnecessary. But if fairness is your objective, Nash also delivered an Oscar-worthy performance, and West should never have been on the floor that late in a blowout.

Everyone on the team jokes that Horry disappears until the playoffs, which is true. Would you rather have him show up only for the first five games of the regular season?

With apologies to Lakers and Rockets fans, Horry's finest moments happened in the 2005 and 2007 playoffs in silver and black. It was in these title runs that Horry cemented his post-season legacy.

He will likely retire, as the Spurs do not want him back after his age bested him in a fouled up repeat run. He picked his teams and teammates well en route to seven rings.

However, none of the championship locker rooms in which he showered and dressed—most of all the Spurs—would look or feel the same without him.

SG: Steve Kerr (1998–2001; 2002–2003)

Kerr should feel luckier than Horry. He followed up a multi-title run with Michael Jordan by joining Tim Duncan and David Robinson. He won two titles in San Antonio, but his former teammates would say he was much more than a three-point ace.

He was the Spurs' comedian and proved humor at every opportunity, including a memorable night emceeing the 2003 championship celebration. I wish I could find audio of that priceless night. Brent Barry assumed this important role in later years.

Kerr was a dependable role player, too.

SG: James Silas (1972-1981)

Since I am sick of writing this piece, I will let his career numbers do the talking.

· Games Played: 685

· Points: 11,038

· Rebounds: 2,069

· Assists: 2,628

· Steals: 608

He was the first player to have his jersey retired by the Spurs. He attends far less Spurs games than Gervin or Robinson, but you can spot him there on occasion.

PG: Johnny Moore (1980-88; 1989-90)

OK, so this list includes 13 players. Sue me. I will let you do your own Johnny Moore research. He is a point guard worth knowing.

The best part of this is that the writer is supposd to be a big Spurs fan. But I had to edit his article before I posted it. He forgot a certian 't'. It looked pretty cool before I edited it. :lol

fabricio and horry?! wtf?!


cummings?! hell, even rodman before fab...hell even antoine carr...

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PG: Avery Johnson (1991; 1992-1993; 1994-2001)

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whottt exploding in 3, 2, 1...

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SG: Steve Kerr (1998–2001; 2002–2003)

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timvp exploding in 3, 2, 1...

This is going to last long. :corn:

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This is going to last long. :corn:

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:lol I knew it was going to be fun.

Mid august is a good time to bring some new material for endless arguments.
People are so desperate to argue that they are arguing on the definition of continent for one week. :downspin:

God that starting 5 would absolutely rape. Throw in Parker, Ginobili, and Bowen to ride the bench and that team would be unbeatable IMO.

Someone should start a thread comparing which All-Team Teams would win in a 16 seed playoff.

Fabricio? wtf

Oberto? :lmao :lmao

Bowen and Horry maybe...and that's a big maybe....but not Kerr and certainly not Oberto.

Has this guy never heard of Terry Cummings or Larry Kenon? I could even handle Rodman. It was like this guy didn't watch the Spurs before 1990 and just added Ice, Junior and Silas because their numbers are retired.

The title of the article cracks me up...as if we didn't or wouldn't know they would be the anchors, :lol

No fucking way... here's a real top 12:

Starters:
G Tony Parker
G Manu Ginobili
F George Gervin
F Tim Duncan
C David Robinson

Bench:
G James Silas
G Alvin Robertson
G/F Sean Elliott
F Larry Kenon
F Bruce Bowen
F Malik Rose
C Artis Gilmore

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As a Rockets fan during the heat of the I-10 rivalry.

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Lmao @ Parker on the bench for Avery. What a dumb ass retard article.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

No fucking way... here's a real top 12:

Starters:
G Tony Parker
G Manu Ginobili
F George Gervin
F Tim Duncan
C David Robinson

Bench:
G James Silas
G Alvin Robertson
G/F Sean Elliott
F Larry Kenon
F Bruce Bowen
F Malik Rose
C Artis Gilmore

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Nice. Maybe Johnny Moore? Does he count? Lol.

nice

I'll start my critique with his selection of PGs.

Parker over Avery. For obvious reasons.

James Silas over Avery. It's not even close. While Gervin was the big-time scorer on those ABA/early NBA Spurs teams, Silas WAS the assassin. During the late stages of a close ball game, who had the ball in Bob Bass' 1-4 offense? Silas. Captain Late was the team leader and a feared offensive weapon, and a stout defender, in his own right. Finished as runner-up in the voting for ABA MVP in the league's final season in 1975, when he posted 23pts, 5 rebs, & 4 dimes. Had it not been for his unfortunate knee injury in the 1975 playoff series versus the Nets, which robbed him of his signature, "in-the-lane", explosiveness, Silas would have garnered as much NBA press and notoriety as Gervin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Silas

Alvin Robertson over Steve Kerr. Despite his personal, off-the-court troubles late in his career, Alvin was the MOST decorated and talented Spurs player of the post-Gervin, pre-Robinson era. 4-time NBA All-Star; perennial 1st-team All-Defensive team; Defensive Player of the Year in '86. Led the NBA in steals in three separate years. Innaugural winner of the NBA's Most Improved Player award.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Robertson

Other notable considerations for honorable mention: Larry Kenon(PF) Artis Gilmore(C) Mike Mitchell (SF).

Brutalis has absolutely nailed the real top 12.

Parker and Ginobili are on the first team.

Parker
Ginobili
Gervin as SF
Duncan
Robinson


Obviously.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

No fucking way... here's a real top 12:

Starters:
G Tony Parker
G Manu Ginobili
F George Gervin
F Tim Duncan
C David Robinson

Bench:
G James Silas
G Alvin Robertson
G/F Sean Elliott
F Larry Kenon
F Bruce Bowen
F Malik Rose
C Artis Gilmore

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Malik, no way.

I would go
TP-Silas
Ice-Manu-Robertson
Sean-Bowen-Mitchell
TD-Kenon
DRob-Artis

[quote=SenorSpur;2713304]I'll start my critique with his selection of PGs.



James Silas over Avery. It's not even close.quote]




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:lmao Steve Kerr, Oberto, and Horry. Lost all credibility.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

No fucking way... here's a real top 12:

Starters:
G Tony Parker
G Manu Ginobili
F George Gervin
F Tim Duncan
C David Robinson

Bench:
G James Silas
G Alvin Robertson
G/F Sean Elliott
F Larry Kenon
F Bruce Bowen
F Malik Rose
C Artis Gilmore

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This one is much better

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Originally Posted by Brutalis

Nice. Maybe Johnny Moore? Does he count? Lol.

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I didn't forget Johnny. He has a great story and was a very good player for a couple of years, but he's certainly not the PG Parker and Silas are. Alvin is an absolute must have player on the team with his physical defense and scoring. The toughest omission for me is Mike Mitchell, and Rose vs. Horry for the backup 4 is a tough call too.

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Malik, no way.

I would go
TP-Silas
Ice-Manu-Robertson
Sean-Bowen-Mitchell
TD-Kenon
DRob-Artis

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Kenon's more a three than four, right? With how many SF type players I already had in the list, I couldn't take Mitchell over Rose even though Mitchell is a clearly superior player. Malik could guard the 3,4, or 5 and do each effectively.

Also, Tony/Manu/Ice would be the sickest fastbreak of all-time.

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Also, Tony/Manu/Ice would be the sickest fastbreak of all-time.

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Actually, I'd go with Tony/Manu/Alvin on the break.

I still think before Johnny Moore went down, he and Alvin were one of the top five best attacking backcourts in NBA history.

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Kenon's more a three than four, right? With how many SF type players I already had in the list, I couldn't take Mitchell over Rose even though Mitchell is a clearly superior player. Malik could guard the 3,4, or 5 and do each effectively.

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Yes, but could play the four at 6'9. I'd even take Cummings or Rodman over Malik. You don't need to worry about guarding the 3,4. You have Bowen and Alvin for those. You can never have enough scorers and Mitchell and Kenon can score.

You're right. Cummings over Malik is a no-brainer. Can't believe I forgot TC. No way on Rodman though. I'd take Vinny Del Negro or Steve Smith over Rodman sabotaging the team in the WCF.

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You're right. Cummings over Malik is a no-brainer. Can't believe I forgot TC. No way on Rodman though. I'd take Vinny Del Negro or Steve Smith over Rodman sabotaging the team in the WCF.

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I know he was the reason they lost, but considering this is all best team, you'd think he would be in it to win. :(

This seems more like his favorite Spurs players, not the best.

Here's my team- 1st, 2nd and 3rd team.
Center- DRobinson, Artis Gilmore, Billy Paultz
PF- Duncan, Kenon, cummings
SF- Bowen, Elliott, Alvin Robertson (really he was a guard)
SG- Gervin, Ginobili, Silas
PG- Parker, Avery, Moore

Not a bad roster?

Duncan, Robinson and the Ice Man. Thats all I would want. Spurs can wait another 30 years to fill out the rest of the all tme roter. Stupid he put all five starters on current team plus horry on his all time team

PG - Parker, Silas, Avery
SG - Gervin, Manu, Robertson
SF - Elliott, Bowen, Mitchell
PF - Duncan, Cummings, Kenon
C - Robinson, Gilmore, Perdue

Moore was cheated by desert fever...otherwise I would have taken him over Avery.

BTW, our all defensive lineup: Robinson, Duncan, Bowen, Elliott, Robertson......I would love to see this lineup play together in a 7 game series and completely shut down a team like PHX or GS.....

Dwayne Schintzius, Uwe Blab, Antoine Carr, Jud Buechler????????

malik?...... mercy, one of the biggest choke artist outside fab. btw id take the whopper over the a-train and anyother center PF on this list (outside dave and tim) and yall left out another i think.......wheres mark the monster? id take him as well over most of the PF's. and i personally never saw larry as a PF, he played more SF when i was watching him at the hemisphere.......

David Robinson's 72 point game?

oberto? :lol:lmao

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In the end, the charts and graphs were meaningless. He decided to stay in San Antonio when the Magic let Duncan know that his wife Amy would not be welcome on team trips.

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Is this true? I never heard this. Stupid that Orlando would tell Tim that, it's like shooting you own foot.

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Is this true? I never heard this. Stupid that Orlando would tell Tim that, it's like shooting you own foot.

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It is true, Orlando did have some kind of "rule" that wives/girlfriends couldn't travel with the team. But I don't think that was the only reason Duncan turned them down. He said at the time that he liked what he had in San Antonio, that he and Robinson had already won one and he thought they could win more. (I have the quote, I can find it if needed.)

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(I have the quote, I can find it if needed.)

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Found it:

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"Orlando had a lot to offer," said Duncan, 24, who became a free agent on July 1. "I went down there and had a good time. When it came down to it, I just like what I have here."

"We have a great opportunity with myself and David at the core of the whole thing, and the fact that we have won it before."

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malik?...... mercy, one of the biggest choke artist outside fab. btw id take the whopper over the a-train and anyother center PF on this list (outside dave and tim) and yall left out another i think.......wheres mark the monster? id take him as well over most of the PF's. and i personally never saw larry as a PF, he played more SF when i was watching him at the hemisphere.......

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When was Malik a choke artist? When he dropped 27 and 13 to give the Spurs a 3-2 lead against Phoenix in 03 after they tied the series? When he outscored Dirk 25-23 in a must win game 2 of the WCF after they blew the first game?

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When was Malik a choke artist? When he dropped 27 and 13 to give the Spurs a 3-2 lead against Phoenix in 03 after they tied the series? When he outscored Dirk 25-23 in a must win game 2 of the WCF after they blew the first game?

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I think he's probably referring to this choke:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/4...ea2d24.jpg?v=0

All I gotta say is wow.

BleacherReport is giving HoopsWorld a run for its title.

avery over tp
What a lousy joke

is this april fool's?

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Brutalis has absolutely nailed the real top 12.

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Thanks but I was only quoting baseline bum in agreement with his roster. But I will take full credit however. :tu

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When was Malik a choke artist? When he dropped 27 and 13 to give the Spurs a 3-2 lead against Phoenix in 03 after they tied the series? When he outscored Dirk 25-23 in a must win game 2 of the WCF after they blew the first game?

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If Malik has another 3-4 inches he would have been sooo good. He would have never been in another jersey.

PG-Silas
SG-Gervin
Sf-Kenon
PF-Duncan
C-Robinson

Bench
Robertson
parker
Manu
Gilmore
Mitchell
Cummings
Elliott

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David Robinson's 72 point game?

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Yeah, on my NBA Live 95 on Sega. He was unstoppable that game!

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When was Malik a choke artist? When he dropped 27 and 13 to give the Spurs a 3-2 lead against Phoenix in 03 after they tied the series? When he outscored Dirk 25-23 in a must win game 2 of the WCF after they blew the first game?

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your picking games in which he didnt choke and i only see a few, im talking about his (under the rim, all alone, proceeded by double pumping, looking around to see if he's open, should i shoot it or not, decisions.....and by the time he made up his mind, someone was stuck to him.....that is what i call a choke artist) at least fab can pass the ball better.....if you get paid like a starter and play like bench player, in my book your a choke artist. meaning no disrepect, malik wasnt old when we got rid of him, someone got tired of paying alot of money for not much in return, where did malik spend most of his time in NY?

No way is AJ a better PG than Tony Parker.

Avery Johnson as the starter - please, what an idiot.

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Avery Johnson as the starter - please, what an idiot.

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Agreed. I would have Parker then Moore, then AJ.

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No fucking way... here's a real top 12:

Starters:
G Tony Parker
G Manu Ginobili
F George Gervin
F Tim Duncan
C David Robinson

Bench:
G James Silas
G Alvin Robertson
G/F Sean Elliott
F Larry Kenon
F Bruce Bowen
F Malik Rose
C Artis Gilmore

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I like that team if you substitute TC for Malik as you noted later. A healthy James Silas might push Parker to the bench.

J.Moore and Mitchell would be my IR I think.

Points written by the author in favor of AJ can also be found in other Spurs great.

So who's going to coach this All-time squad?

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your picking games in which he didnt choke and i only see a few, im talking about his (under the rim, all alone, proceeded by double pumping, looking around to see if he's open, should i shoot it or not, decisions.....and by the time he made up his mind, someone was stuck to him.....that is what i call a choke artist) at least fab can pass the ball better.....if you get paid like a starter and play like bench player, in my book your a choke artist. meaning no disrepect, malik wasnt old when we got rid of him, someone got tired of paying alot of money for not much in return, where did malik spend most of his time in NY?

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You're thinking of some combination of Nazr and Elson, or else you just fabricated that account. Malik didn't do that at all. He started to fuck up after he got his contract because he was trying so hard to prove he was worth it. When he pulled his shirt over his face and allowed a fast break basket he punched his ticket out of town. That doesn't undo all the really good things he did before that time.

I'd say TC was certainly a better player than Malik, but he only had three good years as a Spur, and only one playoff series win in that time. I'm not saying he shouldn't be on anybody's list, just that perhaps he's not automatically ahead of Malik.

I take Frank Brickowski over Fab lol

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Points written by the author in favor of AJ can also be found in other Spurs great.

So who's going to coach this All-time squad?

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Now this is a no-brainer. Pop, easily.

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Now this is a no-brainer. Pop, easily.

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You would think, but they guy asked right? Unbelievable, I'm still amazed how stupid some people are.

We should start asking people to state how old they are, I'm wondering if most of these idiotic post i see everyday are from kids who know no better.

The author is a douche. That I think we all can agree on!

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I take Frank Brickowski over Fab lol

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Brickowski's awesome, but I'd have a hard time not taking Olberding if I wanted an enforcer.

Or George Johnson.

some people are actually questioning Bowen on the list? no..arguably the best perimeter defender of this generation..has been a huge part of our team for a long time now..

Horry? definitely..he was arguably the biggest reason we won a title in 2005..

Oberto is a strange selection though..

Parker
Ginobili
Gervin
Duncan
Robinson

No way AJ gets the starting spot over TP. Not even close.