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Spurs fans leave town following the Ron Artest trade and Mike Finley signing.
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Spurs fans leave town following the Ron Artest trade and Mike Finley signing.
And the dilemma is?
Might as well....Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
Looks like someone else wants to captain the Failboat.Quote:
Originally Posted by your_pimp
why Houston traded one of thir stars to get Artest? our FO made alot of mistakes in the past 2 years, in fact in the past 2 years our FO is one of the worst in the NBA and it's have to be said!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Um. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
And Yao Ming gets injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by completely deck
Plan B is to take a fukin risk. Were too cautious. We should of made a run at the Ron Ron. Houston got him for garbage in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
With the big 3 i would only trade Manu but only if the right deal came along, for exa, Ginobili, Mason, Fuk head Vaughn for Carmelo.
With the cap issue: Have you heard of going over the cap if it could bring a title, look at Boston. I know were over the cap already but that doesnt mean we still cant spend but unfortunatley we have a tight ass owner that wants to save his money for his fat gut.
IT'S SIMPLE WE PLAYED IT SAFE we didnt get a guy that can help the big 3 on the offensive end. We also didn't get that younger, JV,Finley, Kurt are all back we only lost Barry, Horry, and Damon. :lmao:lmao:lmao
If your fukin smart enough you will figure it out. Im not even going to answer that stupid question.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
If you're going to call people out for disagreeing with you....at least be a man and say "fucking" :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by AC#21_TD ERA
So you are saying that the Spurs have absolutely no chance whatsoever?
With this currnet roster no chance in hell unless the West turns into the East but that's not going to happen. The Spurs team last season wasn't as good to the previous Spurs teams, they struugled to score, struggled on the road with 12 point qrts, too many players that were done etc. We didn't get significantly better. We got no chance against LA,NOH and now the reloaded Rockets. LIKE WHAT I SAID, THE BIG 3 AS GREAT AS THEY ARE THEY WILL ONLY GET YOU SO FAR THESE DAYS.Quote:
Originally Posted by samikeyp
I would disagree, as long as 9, 20 and 21 are healthy, there is always a chance.
To each his own.
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Originally Posted by Tully365
Oh please! I don't care what the stats say, a picture tells a thousand words. I don't agree with everything said, but the FO has just sat in the armchair and watched every team around them get better whilst we get older. I don't know whether this is the season that we head south, but it won't be too much longer before TD's minutes and hence production are reduced. They need another decent big to take some of the load, Thomas is a good backup, but he aint going to cut it. I just can't see enough in Mahinmi that he will be anything other than a bench player. So my question is, now that Tiago is a no show, what other contingency plans do we have in place for the future?
I guess I've just imagined this notion that the Spurs are well over the cap, but are reluctant to have to pay the luxury tax.
And I've obviously made up this memory of the Spurs reaching the West Finals and being a Ginobili injury away from winning Game 1 and probably Game 4 as well. I could certainly see how my fabrication of that run would give me a belief that the Spurs will be okay while the reality of it having never happened would make the more reasonable Spurs fans extremely concerned about whether the Spurs can maintain their string of 8 straight runs that go at least 2 rounds deep.
Finally, do we have undisputable proof that the Spurs didn't make an offer for Artest? I mean, it's not as if the Spurs have sat on their hands this summer and refused to do anything to change the face of their roster -- as noted above, they made runs (even if unsuccessful ones) at a number of players that the Chicken Little crowd around here has salivated over. There's a huge difference between trying and not succeeding and not trying at all. And it's completely wrong to say that the Spurs aren't trying.
100% agreed and might i add, roger better be ready to play tons of minutes at the 1 and 2. that should help tony and manu something neither one of our 1's and 2's did much of last season.(i dont expect jacque to all of a sudden develop a complete game since he has been around the league long enough already and never has yet). and with finley well we already know with him, its hit or miss no more no less. if roger is successful at the 2, it should help keep the pressure off finley.(at finleys age less pressure might help his shooting) if ian doesnt show up this up coming season then i see timmy having another frustrating season under the paint. all teams have scoring droughts, i watched alot of games last season via nba league pass.(im retired :king) what made the difference between teams like us and boston were, boston mades stops. they played great defense when their offense couldnt get anything going. we couldnt get stops under the paint. timmy had and to this point still has no help under the paint. if we dont make stops(and i heard player after player on our roster say it last season), then we best not have many scoring droughts. :wowQuote:
Originally Posted by raspsa
We already made our moves. Good or bad, they're there. We can't get Ron Ron anymore. There's actually no potentially good free agent out there still available. What's the dilemma?Quote:
Originally Posted by AC#21_TD ERA
Plus if you want to trade Ginobili + pieces for another wheel, then you'll end up with: Another version of the big 3 with the same old surrounding cast...
You're not very bright, are you?
And as FWD correctly pointed out, we did made a run for Magette, and you don't know we didn't make a run for Ron Ron. But at this point it's irrelevant. What's done is done, and if you don't like this team, feel free to jump off a cliff. You won't be missed.
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbestpro
No! No! Nono. What we all should expect is that the Spurs can convince teams to give up great players for players who aren't in the Spurs rotation -- or that free agents should give up crazy money to take a whole lot less and come to San Antonio.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
And really, what we should expect is desperate moves from the Spurs' front office; it's not as if they've really been competitive anytime recently -- and it's certainly not as if other teams in the West feel some need to take some pretty significant chances in the hope that they can catch up to the Spurs.
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Originally Posted by Admiral
This type of thinking will lead you to disappointment. If other teams can add players better than role players, like the Rockets did with getting Artest for scraps then the spurs need to also try to make it happen and not settle for low level role players, like what they brought in this year.
manu is not an all star type of player. He got one gift all star appearance 3 years ago. He doesn't put up consistent all star quality numbers and doesn't play enough minutes as the true all stars do.
He is way over hyped in here. He cannot even log big minutes like the true all stars without breaking down. He is a 2nd level star, just under all star type of player.
We saw last year that over the hill role players won't get it done. The spurs needed more production from the bench and another player capable of providing an offensive impact but no one stepped up.
I'll take an All-NBA level player over an All-Star level player. By the way, is his All-Star appearance in 2005 a gift if he subsequently was named to an All-NBA team?Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
I'd argue, as well, that what Ginobili provides to the Spurs is not something that can be expressed in pure numbers. He's perhaps not statistically dominant or even statistically consistent, but he's absolutely consistent in the sense that he's the driving competitive force on this team and is correctly seen across the league as one of (if not the) most ferocious competitors going. Add All-NBA quality talent to that and you have the sort of player that championship quality teams must have to succeed.
I'd argue that the Spurs could never actually replace Ginobili's contributions on the court, even if they found a guy who puts up better numbers.
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
thats not always true. Every year teams get impact players for nothing more than expiring contracts and or draft picks.
The spurs never seem to be able to package anything together to work any of these type of deals out.
Dude, I think we're having the same mental hallucinations and making up the same memories. What the hey?Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
To do that, you generally have to have cap room -- the Clippers could acquire Camby for little because they were actually under the cap. That, or you have to have an expiring contract that has substantial value.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
The Spurs aren't under the cap, so they can't make a "loads of crap for nothing" trade to take back a contract than is substantially larger than the value they send out. And the Spurs haven't been signing non-core players to contracts that would have the sort of value that it would take to get involved in deals like the Artest deal, for example -- the Spurs have 3 players making more than Bobby Jackson's $6.1 million per year (the obvious) and have no other player making more than $4 million with none of those being expiring contracts. You can't make deals with assets that you don't have.