Megan Fox needs to be in color.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
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Megan Fox needs to be in color.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
I'm going to come back to this in this thread rather than in the poll thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
I'm not sure how that deal is any different from the Artest deal that Houston made -- and, significant to the Spurs issues in making such a deal, how the Spurs are supposed to come up with $17 million worth of role player salaries without completely gutting their roster.
Houston could trade Bobby Jackson for Artest because Bobby Jackson is substantially overpaid at more than $6 million per year. Jackson also has value to the Kings because his big contract expires and will come off the books. Thus, to make a deal like that one, the Spurs would have to have: (1) a hugely-overpaid role player on their roster who, (2) had an expiring contract. I can't imagine that you're actually arguing that the Spurs should either: (a) overpay role players, or (b) acquire overpaid role players. And it's not just true in the current state of affairs, either -- the Spurs haven't really been overpaying role players for many, many years now.
The same is true with the Wallace deal -- you can say that there were no big names in that deal from Detroit's standpoint, but they did have several guys in that deal who made more than any Spurs role player currently makes. At that, the role players that they were able to include in the deal had value that went beyond their talent as players because the 4 contracts that Detroit moved to get Rasheed were all expiring. Outside of 2003, I can't remember the last time the Spurs had $17 million in expiring contracts for role players on the books.
Without the assets, they can't possibly make the sort of deal that you're wishing they would. The only way to acquire those assets is to start accumulating a bunch of bad contracts for role players with an eye towards hoping to land some big fish in a salary dump deal. Do you really want the Spurs to just take on the bloated contracts of a bunch of underperformers? I sure don't.
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Originally Posted by AC#21_TD ERA
Megan fox is hot
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Originally Posted by ElNono
Do you understand what im saying? What im saying is when we won those titles we had a decent supporting cast. Last season it wasn't bad it just had too many players that were done because of age so thats why we struggled to put the ball in the hoop. So coming into this off season i expected we improve our supporting cast. E.g Peitrus, JR Smith, we made a run at Magette, Ricky Davis, Delfino, trade for Artest, a bit of proven youth. I know some of them aren't all go to scorers but any one Or two of them would of been better than Finley and Mason. Mason and Finley they wont cut it. What pissed me off the most is that they only made an offer to one of them, Magette. They didn't get him so intsead the Spurs played it safe they had it planned all along if we cant CM then sign Mason re-sign Finley and call it an off season. They saved their money because there a bunch of tight asses and it's gonna come back to haunt those cowards.
Oberto and JV i would put in that trade but Udoka who i rate highly but if it meant we get Artest then its a no brainer but i would try to throw in Finley or someone else instead. If that deal went threw it doesnt destroy our supproting cast we stll have Finley or Udoka, Mason, Bonner, Mahinimi. and Hll. Our supporting cast will survive becuase our Defense will be Phenomenal of the Artest acquisition. Would you rather have Artest with Houston? I DONT THINK SO.Quote:
You think if the Spurs could make a deal that is a steal they wouldn't do it?
It's not like Gasol was shopped around. Now, let say we do throw JV, Oberto and Udoka for Artest.
Our starting lineup: TP,Artest,Bowen,TD,Thomas...
Pros: Better defense through Artest.
Cons: Artest is a chucker. Does not know the system.
Now let's look at the second unit: Hill (rookie), Ginobili, Tolliver(rookie), Bonner, Mahinmi (rookie).
Pros: ????
Cons: If you don't see them, you must be blind.
So you just destroyed the surrounding cast around the big 3 in one trade. Exactly the opposite you were clamoring for. Unless you expect TP, TD and Bowen to play 48 minutes every game, I don't see how that deal would make us any better. I'll take JV over Hill, Udoka over Tolliver and Oberto over Bonner/Mahinmi every day of the week.
Yeah it was good enough to get us to WCF last season but its a new season now. The West just got a whole lot better. In that series LA didn't have Bynum so it evens up. We lost that series becuase Oberto and Finley started. Barry and Thomas should of started instead of them and there are many more reasons why we lost that series that had nothing to do with Manu's inj.Quote:
Last I checked it was good enough to take us to the western conference finals. And I would argue we were an injury away from having a competitive series against the Lakers.
I cant see it happening, l have lost faith in the Spurs FO, they have always been over rated. They have just been blessed with 3 of the all time greats and that's pretty easy to build around especailly when proven veterans that want to win a title come to the spurs for less money because they know its team to be with. THE SPURS F.O CAN GO TO HELL, THEY MAKE ME SICK!Quote:
So be a good boy, take your Xanax, and enjoy the first half of the season. If something needs to be tweaked, we can always do something mid-season
Pietrus was signed early in the offseason, and you don't know we didn't make an offer there. JR Smith was a restricted free agent, which basically meant we would have had to wait until the last day to see if Denver matched the offer. Ricky Davis encompasses everything that is wrong with basketball, so I'm actually glad we didn't go for him. The Spurs actually did field an offer for Delfino (or at least had conversations with him). Now, he's set to make 30 millions for the next 3 years, so even if we wanted to, we couldn't offer him that kind of money with what we had left of the MLE/LLE. And there's no way to make the Artest trade without butchering half of our team. Not to mention that IIRC, Artest contract runs out at the end of the season. So unless you commit to him for a boatload of money with an extension, you would lose him after one year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AC#21_TD ERA
Artest (and Timmy and Tony) can't play for 48 minutes night in and night out and then expect them to perform just as well during the playoffs. That's the point of having a solid supporting cast. No matter how you slice that trade, you would be forced to play 2 or 3 rookies in the second unit. Just like you said, with the West getting so good, how do you figure we'll fare being forced to play those rookies for 10-20 minutes a night? Even if our first unit would improve, they can't just play the whole game. And if you think that Hill, Mahinmi and Tolliver will see more than just marginal minutes this next season, you're just delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by AC#21_TD ERA
I agree we needed a better supporting cast. The difference is that I don't think that what we ended up with at this point is for lack of trying. We went for Magette, we went for Pargo, we went for Giriceck... They just didn't want to sign with us. This FO has nothing to do with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AC#21_TD ERA
You, the armchair GM, has no problem. You also don't have to deal with cap space, with the fact that some teams don't want to trade assets, with the fact that some players prefer to play somewhere else. It's all easy for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by AC#21_TD ERA
And suggesting going for Ricky Davis sure as hell tells me enough of your basketball IQ and talent evaluation.
Just go back to your fantasy league, where everything is possible.