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But at least we have Bonner....give RC a raise!
Is Oberto injured!? He played no minutes according to that boxscore. Is argentina just resting him? (If so, why not rest Manu?)
Both Delfino and Oberto are injured.
None of the injuries appear to be serious.
he had a bruise. didn't play just to be cautiousQuote:
Originally Posted by pad300
I don't get why any of their stars played. It was a meaningless game.Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
37 points... impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walton Buys Off Me
So who listened to Larry Brown to sign Buttler only to trade him and Scola because of cap issues?
If we had Scola, we may have beaten the Lakers.
This Scola incident is going to be even more painful if the Rockets eliminate us in the playoffs. :-(
In a row?Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Maybe we can all continue to cry about it and the past will miraculously change itself.
37 points! Love It!
I don't get why their second best player played the whole game when this one didn't matter one bit. At least Manu was allowed to rest. Nice to see he's still shooting a sweet percentage. I really wish that they'd played their worst five 25 minutes each, let everyone else rest. Nice win though.
You guys should try to bring V-Span over, that would make the trade a little more even.
DD
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Originally Posted by benefactor
:lol
So true.
Somebody get the Retcon.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
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Originally Posted by DaDakota
I don't know if the Spurs would have beaten the Lakers with Scola but it would have been a closer series. If you watch him play he's like a pitbull he never quits and it's 110% all the time. He's like a hybrid between Manu and Battier but in a PF's body.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
didn't anthony johnson score 50 in a playoff game? Scola sucks guys..
Jaren Jackson scored over 20 a couple times too.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
Dude should've never been let go.
The dead horse keeps getting beaten because some still defend the front office on the deal.
Bottom-line: It was a bad deal. The organization is not doomed to mediocrity for decades because of it but the front office has lost a lot of it's lustre these past few years.
Mahinmi, Hill, and to a lesser extent Gist are critical to showing how much of the front office was Sam Shuler, Sam Presti or R.C. when it came to finding guys like Tony, Manu and Scola.
This front office has not done anything in the draft since Beno unless the above guys pan out. Laugh about Beno all you want and he didn't fit here but he is still in the league as a very late first rounder.
I agree that its in the past and we need to move on. However, I hate reading posts in here that defend every move the front office makes and by pointing out that the Spurs have won four championships. I think we all know that the Spurs have won four championships, but the issue here is that the front office made a mistake by trading away Scola for a bag of peanuts.
I can't understand why some of you don't admit to that.
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Originally Posted by MoSpur
It was a bad move.
Its also time to move the fuck on.
Good man.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
:danceclub TRUE BLUEQuote:
Originally Posted by Ocotillo
wow scola had a nice game..
i still dont know what was worse, letting go of scolla or hiring mighty mouse during the season when we already had proven championship back ups in jacque and beno. imo both stupid moves cost us another ring.(last season) so its try try again. maybe with roger putting in solid minutes at the 1 and 2 we get another chance.:wow
37 points in a non nba game wow impressive
oh wait manu is averaging 32 points in this non nba league
scola hated the spursQuote:
Originally Posted by mrspurs
he could not get along with pop
most quality players do but not all
we lost a championship this year because we give up Scola, R.C Buford need to be fired on that!
Scola was hitting mid range jumpers and getting And1's...I watched the game online and knew he scored alot but damn, 37 points, he was ballin' on Kirilenko
People, chill. Argentinians beat a listless Russian team who is arguably the worst in the Olympics. What is the fuzz? 37 Pts is great, but it is not in NBA. Even if it is, what is the big deal, it's only one game. :flag:
Only one game?! Well what about Oberto, have we seen one game, any game, in any league where he's scored more than 30 points? It's such a pathetic disparity in talent!Quote:
Originally Posted by nil.ball
Maybe Scola isn't NBA all-star talent, but without a smidgen of a doubt, he's better than Oberto and Bonner combined!! Finally, remember this, we signed Bonner and extended Oberto in the SAME YEAR that the Rockets signed Scola. That's how misereable our F.O. has become.
Heck, maybe the brains of that F.O. that drafted Parker and Manu (and even Scola) have long departed for other teams and all we have is a shell of pretenders!
your ignorance crack me up :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Scola is thankful for what the Spurs FO did for him. Houston is the rigth place for Luis.
is scola favre
everything he does have to get reported?
your stupidy cracks me upQuote:
Originally Posted by Cherry
everyone knows scola and the spurs did not get along
scola now is thankfully they moved him
they have more class then common sence
I would have never traded him
if he did not want to sgn with me fuck him
That's your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
That's very you:Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Luis or Manu are playing good and you can ignore all this if you want But no. You end like the stupid one who can't live without hating someone!:lol
Come on, get over it.
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Originally Posted by ducks
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Originally Posted by Rappin' Shaq
ducks is stupid
No way. He'd have been an incredible sixth man here. I'm still pissed... I followed this guy's game for five years, got all excited, and then the team just dropped him to save $3 million off Butler's deal. I'll never forgive RC for that crap. What a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherry
I don't know what's worse, that deal or giving up Camby for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
It's all screwed up, see the only reason we even have Oberto is that we was a placeholder for Scola. Unfortunately, he overachieved in the second season and the F.O. had the stupidity of extending his contract.
Then we compound the problem when we signed Bonner for a 3 year contract last year for the more than the amount that the Rockets are paying Scola. How in the world is a guy like Bonner remotely comparable to Scola?
there is no comparison, scolla is better, plain and simple. :wowQuote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
prove youQuote:
Originally Posted by smeagol
you know nothing about me
I know how to fix computers
that does not make me stupid
that makes me a geek
If you can call cherry stupid without knowing her, I can certainly call you stupid based on your +30,000 postsQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
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Originally Posted by ducks
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Originally Posted by Rappin' Shaq
:rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Ocotillo
Some still defend the FO because IT WAS NOT AN FO DECISION. Clearly, it was a lux tax imperative which means the OWNERSHIP made the decision, not the FO. Why is that so hard to understand?
Why the hell do so many of you blame RC for a decision that was made by Holt et al???
she called me stupid without knowing me first!:lol:lol:lol:lol:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by smeagol
Scola trade still hurts my brain...
you have one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deimosfobos
Not anymore, it comited suicide the day the trade was confirmed. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Scola Thread!
And you keep bumping the thread!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Scola is a stud, the Spurs were stupid to give him up, and it probably cost us.
why exactly didn't Scola become a Spur or rather, why did the Spurs give up on him?
At least Manu only played 20 minutes. 40 minutes for Scola? Ouch. Wonder what was up with that?
First of all, he's not averaging 32. Once again you're too stupid to do the most basic research on anything. Secondly, it's pretty lame how you hate on every Argentina player now instead of just Manu. I'm guessing if France was in the tournament you would know every Tony Parker statistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
you are understand that the Scola trade cost us a championship this year?!?! dont be Buford bitches!
You forget, in the same off-season we signed Bonner for a 3 year contract and extended Vaughns contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
If we had the inside info like the Rockets, then we would have never signed these two underachievers and would never had a Lux Tax problem.
It was a mistake to have signed Butler, however we compounded that mistake by trying to correct it by not signing Scola. An idiotic move!
Watch the Argentia-Russia game and you'll see how Scola consistently hits the midrange jumper. Just imagine that kind of consistency play beside Tim Duncan! DAMN! SUCH A WASTE!
Dude, you must realize that 85% of the people on this board will a. blindly defend every front office move citing the 4 championship rings and b. argue in favour of whatever timvp says.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
What's entertaining is when points a and b conflict with each other and you have negative IQ idiots like T Park swaying to and fro with their opinions without even knowing it...priceless.
I think he asked to play a lot, he is young and he can handle the minutes, and he is the kind of player that usually only gets better the more he plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by sprrs
Scola is the shiznit. dammit!!!
The Spurs organization is a the top of its class, however to win championships you've got to have top notch razor edged decision making that runs rings around the other F.O. out there. It's not enough to have average F.O. decision making.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walton Buys Off Me
What makes it worse is that the Rockets organization is making a career of embarrassing us. Other teams like the Lakers and Hornets are running rings around us by signing great talent for next to nothing. Meanwhile, we continue to bask is the past glory of signing Michael Finley!
The Spurs drafting have been stellar, but we'll still have to wait if that is still true with the likes of Mahinmi and Hill.
BTW... I think Pop should retire... he's tired and doesn't want to make the effort to develop players. I'll take Buldenhozer or Thibodeau as a replacement.
yes all those championships the rockets have on us the last few years is really embarrasing!Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
ignorant fool...Oberto 28 points Final World Champion 2.002. with his ACB team Pamesa in 2005, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
The same people who still bash Scola will be the ones in a few months saying "It's only December, It's only February."
And our offense will still be shit.
----> I saw a video on youtube with Popovich saying that Manu have turned a great player once he landed on the NBA, thats so stupid, Manu was a great player before NBA, Scola is too, spurs managers have a really big problem judgin international talent, everybody in the world can see that Scola is a good player and here on Spurstalk i saw people asking if Scola can play basketball at all, it is just basketball like Manu said. Sorry for my bad english.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
Scolaaaaa thread !!!!! :downspin:
No Olympic game is meaningless. It's the Olympics, it's about honor also so you try to win everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by roycrikside
What I say above plus, this team needs more playing time to get there, they are improving every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manufan909
So you also speak bs here too?Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
manu averages 19,6 not 32 points, get your facts straight, "geek".
As far as I know,and it's probably what happened,The Spurs FO and Pop never thought Scola's game was gonna translate well to the NBA as it did,they probably thought that He could become a second coming Oberto at the most. They trully understimated him,like they usually do with Euros or Latinos(not NBA proven),It happened to Manu too,he was 4 years in Europe waiting on the Spurs to bring him onboard,and the spurs probably could've won at least 1 more title from 99 to 03,or at least they could've have a better chance to win it.but they didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by mytespurs
Shit happens...I guess.
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Originally Posted by We born to be bad
Dude... since when is 30 points less than 28 points?
Keep searching!
Manu average 20 points in NBA last year and 20 points in Olympics.
It should be noted that NO other NBA teams projected him to be this good. Otherwise, the Spurs would have seen a better offer than cap space and a 2nd rounder. Even the Rockets could have had him a year earlier at a better price.
It's not an excuse, but the Spurs certainly weren't alone.
Scola was always consider second best player on Argentina team. Always he was consider better than Nocioni. So what you say is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
The Spurs were never offered anything better, so it is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill_Bill_Pana
The proof is in the pudding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill_Bill_Pana
If any other NBA team thought he was going to be this effective, they would have topped the Rockets lowball offer. Hell, if the Rockets knew he was going to be this effective, they would have offered a 1st rounder a year earlier and added him then.
I'm not saying that Scola isn't any good now, but to deny that there were major doubts around the NBA about his game before he joined the league is revisionist history.
The problem with armchair wannabe general managers is they can say or do anything they want. That's why this forum has a million trade suggestions that have Bonner and Vaughn leaving while a talented starter who averages 15 ppg and plays tenacious D magically appears on the new imaginary roster. The only gripe most people here can level against the FO is that they fall short of utopian perfection. That's 100% true. They didn't get Maggette (nobody offering the MLE did), they didn't get JR Smith (Denver gave away Camby to clear cap room so they could match any offer), etc.
Being a GM in the real world involves serious risk analysis-- i.e., gambling-- and no one wins every gamble. The Lakers traded Caron Butler for Kwame Brown-- good move, in retrospect? No way, but then they were smart enough to recover by getting Pau with Kwame's expiring contract. Kobe and many Laker fans came out and criticized their FO for not getting Kidd. Now, Kidd is declining as fast as Bynum is developing, and their FO looks a lot smarter than their fans. Before last year, Boston fans routinely said Ainge was a moron, and Pierce was a whiny, spoiled star who wasn't a winner, etc., etc. Now the fans of both teams will enthusiastically argue that their FOs are the best in the league. You won't see the fans of any other team that has won multiple recent titles and played in the conference finals last year complain about their FOs.... why? because, aside from the Spurs, no other team matching that description even exists.
some poster posted that not meQuote:
Originally Posted by roycrikside
I do not have time to research every stat some poster post here
dude he is past his primeQuote:
Originally Posted by Deimosfobos
he will not get better he is what he is
it doesn't work like that dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
1-The spurs were the ones following him for years,and keeping up with his stats and overall game. The spurs didn't have to wait until a team would offer a 1st round pick and money for a guy who wasn't followed and scouted in the past,like the spurs did with scola,to realize how good he was.
2-Now what the Rockets did was steal Luis from the Spurs,cose their GM knew that even eating Butler's contract,Scola was worthy of that.
See now?It was a FO fuckup all the way,plain and simple.
why should I like scola when he thinks he is to good to hear pop and rc words of wisdom. work on your rebounding and throwing a 2 year old fitQuote:
Originally Posted by roycrikside
I do like any player like that no matter where they are from
----> What the fuck ? Scola thinks he is too good to hear pop ? , please stop licking toxic frogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
dude... ducks sucksQuote:
Originally Posted by kuato
NBA teams are only scouting their own property?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan.
It was known for at least a year before that Scola could be had for the right price. Yet, no team in the league felt he was worth a first round pick.
It was a screw-up no doubts. And the Spurs own the greatest fault in it because he was their property.
But no other team in the league saw him being this effective - and it DOES work like that.
As I recall the sticking point with the Spurs was the money. And the fact that they got rid of Butler was also about money.
There is nothing particularly sinister in a team wanting to mangage their P&L in their favor.
And who knows, if they had held Scola off for another year to the point where his contract was available without penalty, he might have resigned with Tau for spite. Or the big money contracts which the Euros now appear to have in their arsenal might have come into play.
What's done is done. The real problem is the misjudgment and mismanagemetn of the Bonner contract. If they thought he was worth the 3 year contract and a better option than Scola, they should have been developing him instead of letting him rot on the bench.
they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
Cleveland did
Chicago did
and of course Houston did.
Now,of course no one wanted Butler's big ass in their salary cap space.
Houston did it coze they were desperate for a PF,and $3M p/yr +butler's contract is way cheaper tham another solid NBA PF.
I bet if the Spurs just wanted to trade Scola's rights for a 1st rounder and some cash,not one but many teams would've gone for it.
ATTENTION tonight 8EST on ESPN+ Luis Scola on "ESPN Studio" a one hour special!!!!
Clearly Chicago and Cleveland did not, because a player this effective is clearly worth a first round pick. Neither was willing to give that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan.
Even Houston only made the trade after a year when the price had hit bargain basement level.
after he proved what he could do in the nbaQuote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
you might say that
but gms did not think he was worth a first roudn pick
I called you stupid for a reason :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Think about this:
How can i know you if your +30,000 posts are based on trash talk?
So, i guess you are a troll and nothing else.
As Kori says: don't come crying later if you get your feelings hurt. Thanks.
Cherry has claws.:toast
is she a bear:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manufan909
My entire point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
No reasonable person can deny that Scola can play in this league.
However, it would be revisionist to ignore that the entire league had doubts about him before he came over and proved it.