Official : Ginobili "No chance" to play vs Lithuania for Bronze Medal

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Originally Posted by xtremesteven33

if i were pop i wouldnt play manu until hes FULLY healthy. im talkin about maybe missing a month of the regular season just to make sure hes 110% ready to play

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I dont know if thats possible. We cant afford to lose HCA again, noway. We will need to at least win our division. Manu's minutes will depend alot on Rogers play. Thats why the FO picked him up to play both the 1 and 2. Between Rogers and the fins, we should be fine. We will need manu many times like last season my friend, like it or not. This is why Brent aint around anymore. At least finley stayed pretty healty regardless of his play. Roger is gonna surprise many. And hot dang did we just get hit by some hard rain. Dang that grass :downspin:

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Originally Posted by ducks

if you paid him10 million last year would you feel the same way

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Sure you would. When they sat down and wrote that contract, it was clear he was going to play for Argentina. Nobody got suckered into anything here. AFAIK, Ginobili never promised to stop playing for the Argentina NT. Nor it has been written in his contract. What part of that you don't understand?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Sure you would. When they sat down and wrote that contract, it was clear he was going to play for Argentina. Nobody got suckered into anything here. AFAIK, Ginobili never promised to stop playing for the Argentina NT. Nor it has been written in his contract. What part of that you don't understand?

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pop thought if he was not 100% healthy he would not play
pop trusted manu to use common sence
I guess with players like manu you have to throw common sence out the window

FUCK I didn't watch this game beacuse I was not at home and when I watch the recap in hoping to watch Manu. I watched him for a whole 6 minutes and that was it. ASS wonder what the result would have been with him in. Arg played great w/o their best player.

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Originally Posted by ducks

pop thought if he was not 100% healthy he would not play
pop trusted manu to use common sence
I guess with players like manu you have to throw common sence out the window

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Common sence or common sense?

And sorry, Manu playing for his country is bigger than pop, the fans and the whole spurs organization in general. It's pretty selfish to sit here and bitch about Manu taking advantage of the once in a lifetime opportunity to defend a gold medal in the olympics.

do you think he'll be ready before the season starts? I really want a 100% manu during this season, were going to need it.

Im so sad for manu... :(

I don't get people thinking this injury happened BECAUSE he was playing in the Olympics. Manu had been cleared by Spurs doctors. Therefore, even if he wasn't in Beijing, he'd be SOMEWHERE playing basketball. This injury occured on a routine play. Therefore it could have just as easily happened in the practice facility. I'm not sure if doctors were wrong and he wasn't ready to go, or if it was just a fluke that he hurt the same ankle again.

Either way, you can't blame the Olympics for this happening.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I don't get people thinking this injury happened BECAUSE he was playing in the Olympics. Manu had been cleared by Spurs doctors. Therefore, even if he wasn't in Beijing, he'd be SOMEWHERE playing basketball. This injury occured on a routine play. Therefore it could have just as easily happened in the practice facility. I'm not sure if doctors were wrong and he wasn't ready to go, or if it was just a fluke that he hurt the same ankle again.

Either way, you can't blame the Olympics for this happening.

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Im sorry, I just don't believe that a guy shooting jumpers in a gym working out with Chip England would equal him getting hurt like this.

On top of that, had he not gone, he wouldn't have resumed workouts until probobly august or september even.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Im sorry, I just don't believe that a guy shooting jumpers in a gym working out with Chip England would equal him getting hurt like this.

On top of that, had he not gone, he wouldn't have resumed workouts until probobly august or september even.

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So if his ankle was fragile, then he would have just got hurt later in the summer.

tp was practicing but has not played a signal game for 2 and half months

why could manu do that
especially since he was hurt

Manu's injury today could have just as well happened in a shooting drill or running across a parking lot or anything. He wasn't doing anything spectacular when it happened. Either his ankle is really fragile, and doctors didn't see anything wrong, or it was just a fluke.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

So if his ankle was fragile, then he would have just got hurt later in the summer.

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But hes sat down for a month.

Had he gone out in workouts, felt pain again like in june, they could've shut him down and reevaluated it.

I'm sorry, I just don't believe this playing in the Olympics doesn't hurt or hinder their production. It happened last year as well with Tony Parker.

Just accept Manu is a damn China Doll. It is what it is.

I can't stand it when people bitch at Manu for playing for Argentina. Sure he is under contract with the Spurs, but as was stated earlier and many times before today, this is bigger than the Spurs and the NBA.

Manu is the ultimate competitor and has a sense of patriotism that is unheard of in recent times. And that is why we all love the man and the controlled chaos that is his game.

I look at it this way, I wouldn't be angry with Ginobili for playing in the NBA hurt when he should be resting, so why should I get angry when he plays in something more important to him?

Who here wouldn't jump at the chance to defend their hard fought gold medal at the Olympics?

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Originally Posted by Fermixalot

I can't stand it when people bitch at Manu for playing for Argentina. Sure he is under contract with the Spurs, but as was stated earlier and many times before today, this is bigger than the Spurs and the NBA.

Manu is the ultimate competitor and has a sense of patriotism that is unheard of in recent times. And that is why we all love the man and the controlled chaos that is his game.

I look at it this way, I wouldn't be angry with Ginobili for playing in the NBA hurt when he should be resting, so why should I get angry when he plays in something more important to him?

Who here wouldn't jump at the chance to defend their hard fought gold medal at the Olympics?

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I would
especially in china
especially if I was hurt

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Originally Posted by Fermixalot

I can't stand it when people bitch at Manu for playing for Argentina. Sure he is under contract with the Spurs, but as was stated earlier and many times before today, this is bigger than the Spurs and the NBA.

Manu is the ultimate competitor and has a sense of patriotism that is unheard of in recent times. And that is why we all love the man and the controlled chaos that is his game.

I look at it this way, I wouldn't be angry with Ginobili for playing in the NBA hurt when he should be resting, so why should I get angry when he plays in something more important to him?

Who here wouldn't jump at the chance to defend their hard fought gold medal at the Olympics?

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Your missing the entire point.

The olympics are exhibitions. Period.

The NBA is his JOB. His employers requested that he not participate in said exhibitions and extra curricular activities and he went and ahead and did it anyways, and you expect people that side with his employer to change their mind because "its bigger than work"

Well the meaning of July 4th is bigger than my work, but I still have to work.

^^^ Oh my God!!! Please, remove those pictures,,they make me cry....im serious, it hurts me.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Your missing the entire point.

The olympics are exhibitions. Period.

The NBA is his JOB. His employers requested that he not participate in said exhibitions and extra curricular activities and he went and ahead and did it anyways, and you expect people that side with his employer to change their mind because "its bigger than work"

Well the meaning of July 4th is bigger than my work, but I still have to work.

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Tough shit.

If my employer requests that I cancel my vacation to Cabo so I can be on call in case they need me, but they don't require it, I'm going to Cabo and I'll be back in a week. Any employer that would go as far as to require it would see me take my talents elsewhere.

You're giving the authority on the subject to his employer for no reason. Playing in the Olympics is not contractually prohibited by the Spurs, so why should Manu be obligated to make that sacrifice? Out of respect?

That's not how it works. Especially for someone with his talents. If the Spurs somehow fired Manu it's not like he wouldn't make his millions elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

Actually, I'm still mad at him for that devastatingly, stupid foul on Dirk in the 2006 WCSF versus the Mavs. Why, Manu Why? :bang

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That foul should never been called!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just like the one against Barry this year, either both should have been called, or neither should have been called!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NBA collusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Tough shit.

If my employer requests that I cancel my vacation to Cabo so I can be on call in case they need me, but they don't require it, I'm going to Cabo and I'll be back in a week. Any employer that would go as far as to require it would see me take my talents elsewhere.

You're giving the authority on the subject to his employer for no reason. Playing in the Olympics is not contractually prohibited by the Spurs, so why should Manu be obligated to make that sacrifice? Out of respect?

That's not how it works. Especially for someone with his talents. If the Spurs somehow fired Manu it's not like he wouldn't make his millions elsewhere.

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I bet your vacation to Cabo would not include activities that could very possibly impact your ability to make your company successful when you get back from your vacation. Oh, I guess if you were snorkeling and a shark ate you that would keep you from working.

The spurs signed Manu to a CONTRACT through 2010. Part of that contract is the expectation that he will be able to contribute as a basketball player for the San Antonio Spurs from October to June. I know that Manu was not contractually obligated to stay away from Olympic competition, but the guy was already injured from a grueling NBA season.

In exchange for the $9-10MM he makes per year from the Spurs, Manu is under the reasonable expectatation to be available to the Spurs when the new season starts. The SAS pay A LOT of money to guarantee his availability to participate. Sure injuries happen in the offseason, but going over to China at less than 100% was a bad idea.

Most people like you and me (in Texas at least) work on an "at will" basis where you or employer can terminate the employment relationship at any time. Union employees would be a notable exception to this.

Manu's decision to play and subsequent injury compromises the Spur's expectations of his contractual obligations. In exchange for the $9-10MM, Manu is not allowed to go across the street and "take his talents elsewhere" like you can do. The contract Manu plays under is guaranteed. The Spurs will have to pay him if they decided to fire him tomorrow. The Spurs could trade him of course, but given his current physical condition, no team would offer a reasonable return of assets.

Manu's fierce determination to compete and win is his greatest asset..... and his greatest liability at times. The Spurs paid for that as well.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Just accept Manu is a damn China Doll. It is what it is.

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Post of the year! props!

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Originally Posted by Harry Callahan

In exchange for the $9-10MM he makes per year from the Spurs, Manu is under the reasonable expectatation to be available to the Spurs when the new season starts. The SAS pay A LOT of money to guarantee his availability to participate. Sure injuries happen in the offseason, but going over to China at less than 100% was a bad idea.

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I agree with your post 100%, and all this just goes to show the widening gulf between the prima donna sports figures and their fans.

Most of us live in a world of constraints, choices and consequences. People like Manu do not.

Do you really think Manu gives a shit about the Spurs and us fans? He's gonna get paid no matter what. I can understand his decision to go to the Olympics, because why not? He wants and expects everything to go his way. Bum ankle or not, he's still laughing all the way to the bank. He lives in a world without consequence or responsibility.

Meanwhile back on planet earth if you or me screw up like this, we get fired.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Most people can heal from a sprained ankle within 2 months... you all act as if Manu were done for the season...

Unfortunate yes, but not the end for the Spurs.

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Dirk is da best at coming back from those...he'd probably play in 3-4 days. But then again Manu is no Dirk :elephant

Guess rockets and spurs are on the same healing train.




Man that sounded gay