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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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It may have cost the Spurs a championship, too. Given that, he owed it to his employer to rest. There's some loyalty that comes with a $10 million annual salary.
Thank you for stating the obvious Buck.
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Country is bigger than salaries or nba seasons.
When did Argentina start paying him 10 million a year?
Oh yeah never. When playing for your country gets you multiple houses and nice cars and all that stuff, come back and talk to me.
Great, so now hes looking at surgery possibly?
Great job Ginobili.... The epitome of selfish.
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If Tiger had said he would not play for an American team because Nike was afraid he would hurt himself, folks would be blaming him for not being patriotic enough.
Nobody cares enough about the Ryder Cup for that to matter.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
I find it hilarious that golf is being compared to basketball in terms of getting injured.
Fail.
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Originally Posted by
MiamiHeat
All the NBA teams should band together and sign an agreement - all teams will have a 'You can only play in the Olympics if your team says it is OK' clause into future contracts.
this HAS to go for american players too, so it looks fair.
Yeah, I yearn for the days when the Olympics were for amateurs. The genie is out of the bottle but this is what happens.
I didn't even like the idea of the original Dream Team.
Even if a player doesn't get injured, more often then not, they end up having an off year the following season because they have been playing competitive ball to long without an extended period of rest.
Screw it, the Olympics should basically be track and field and swimming and few other events. We don't need softball, synchronized diving, the horseback riding, baseball, cycling, yada, yada, yada......
Hell why not have rodeo or cricket? Do they have shuffleboard?
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
Agreed, the college players should be playing in these olympics.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
This is just such a bad situation. I really hope that Manu stays and the fans will be loyal. I understand the arguments made, but I really do not agree with them. Trade Ginobili? For who? Not only did we steal him for 9-10M per year (which makes it hard to get fair value) he is at his lowest value right now, so who can we get? Even if we do trade him, is that person going to do for San Antonio (fans, clutch, passion...) what Manu has done?
I hope he can heal close to fully, without surgery. Every one is injured in the NBA, it does not mean you trade them. But I guess if you can get a homerun deal, then you do it?
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
Talk about piling on....
When it rains, it pours as they say.
Chicken Littles are proclaiming the sky is falling.
Bruce Harvey reminds me a lot of Bil Plasichke with the LA Times....jumping on whatever bandwagon is running at the moment.
Trade him, cut him, burn him at the stake....geez!!
We won't know for a bit the extent of Manu's injury. I hope it's not too serious and that he is given enough time to heal so that he comes back strong when it matters = playoffs.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
How is Manu Ginobili selfish? Did he not agree to a contract that is way under his value? I mean, when you are trying to save money when signing players, especially like Ginobili, you know you are going to have to concede other areas, Olympic play was one of them.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
No one was saying he was selfish when he was playing for the Spurs, giving it his all in the WCF.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
TPark, with all due respect, I think you missed the point. The comparison is NOT between golf and basketball as a potential source of athletic injury, the comparison is between a sports deity in one country and a sports deity in another. Woods is the American "athlete of the year" multiple years...Ginobili is the "athlete of the year" in Argentina multiple years.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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Originally Posted by
EVAY
He has proven over and over again that patriotism is more important to him than money. I would have thought that folks in San Antonio would respect that, perhaps even understand it.
If that were true, he would return his salary to the Spurs for games he misses due to an injury sustained while representing Argentina.
If Manu agreed ahead of time to waive any Spurs salary obligations while he recovered from injury, THAT would be putting country ahead of MONEY. That would demonstrate the (noble and admirable) principle that he valued representing Argentina over anything else. Right now, all he's doing is putting his country ahead of the Spurs Organizaton, which really isn't all that much of a sacrifice for Manu.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
One thing for sure: Manu has put himself in a precarious situation. He has lost all leverage with the Spurs, and now some with the fans as well.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
One thing for sure: Manu has put himself in a precarious situation. He has lost all leverage with the Spurs, and now some with the fans as well.
"Some fans" being the key words here. This guy plays with so much passion and has the commitment to be the best he can be. I don't doubt Manu at all.
The Spurs may let him go in a year or two but I hope they don't regret it.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
I have to go back and read it again but I thought the gist of the article was not about trading Manu but rather letting him walk in 2010.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
No one was saying he was selfish when he was playing for the Spurs, giving it his all in the WCF.
if he was not he would have been selfish
he is paid to play
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
How is Manu Ginobili selfish? Did he not agree to a contract that is way under his value? I mean, when you are trying to save money when signing players, especially like Ginobili, you know you are going to have to concede other areas, Olympic play was one of them.
The Spurs didn't have to concede anything.
Especially with this extension he wants now.
He gets 8.5 9 mill a year.
The least he can do is head his employer's asking of "staying home"
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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ChumpDumper
Agreed. No need to jump the gun like this in August.
Considering the way several people here on ST already have jumped the gun - can you really blame Harvey for doing the same? :lol
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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Originally Posted by
T Park
The Spurs didn't have to concede anything.
Especially with this extension he wants now.
He gets 8.5 9 mill a year.
The least he can do is head his employer's asking of "staying home"
Spurs knew what they were getting into when they signed Ginobili. Yes he makes 9M a year. He should be making Luol Deng/Joe Johnson money, not Nene money.
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I do agree about the extension though, the Spurs should concede no more.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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Originally Posted by
mytespurs
Chicken Littles are proclaiming the sky is falling.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x...nlittlegif.gif
(I love this gif. :lol)
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
No one was saying he was selfish when he was playing for the Spurs, giving it his all in the WCF.
U can't quite seperate employer volunteer can you?
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
If Manu does have to miss any real playing time come the start of the season I'll be cool (not thrilled) with the decision to shut him down and get him healthy....as long as Finley doesn't see an increase in the minutes he would've received this year (which hopefully wouldn't be that many) prior to the injury. This would be a time to see what Udoka and the new guys have to offer the team in terms of helping out the overall depth which has seemed to decline the past few seasons. That said, I'll wait with baited breadth to hear any news on the ankle.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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Originally Posted by
T Park
U can't quite seperate employer volunteer can you?
The fact that he was visibly hurt and could of caused himself serious long-term damage means he should of sat out. Judging by his play, the Spurs would not of been worse off.
Whether it was playing for his employer (Spurs) or volunteering for his country (Argentina), he was hurt and risking serious injury. If he was hurt that bad, then you should consider both selfish acts (playing for the Spurs and Argentina) imo.
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If Kobe went out and re-injured his finger worst than it was before, would the Lakers be pissed? Probably not.
For Kobe it was more of a ego thing than representing his country which Manu was doing.
Point is, we've got 2 months before preseason starts. We don't know how bad he's hurt. For all we know it could've just tweeked it which causes more pain than normal.
I can't hate Manu for what he did. He's given us so much the last 6 years that if he retired tomorrow, I wouldn't be mad.
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Re: Buck Harvey: Ginobili goes down — how long until he goes?
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
The fact that he was visibly hurt and could of caused himself serious long-term damage means he should of sat out. Judging by his play, the Spurs would not of been worse off.
Whether it was playing for his employer (Spurs) or volunteering for his country (Argentina), he was hurt and risking serious injury. If he was hurt that bad, then you should consider both selfish acts (playing for the Spurs and Argentina) imo.
No you can't consider, working for your employer selfish, while volunteering to play in something that doesn't benefit your employer one iota.
He was advised and asked to stay home and not play, he disobeyed that and defied that request, so he should be treated accordingly
