Spot Number 8 - Top 50 Spurs

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Originally Posted by timvp

To me this is between Bowen, AJ, Elliott, Kenon and Silas.

Silas had a great season that was probably better than any season in Spurs history not authored by Gervin, Robinson or Duncan. That season earned him an All-ABA first team award. In the ABA days, Silas was as good or better than Gervin. He single-handedly won an amazing amount of games in his first couple years with the Spurs. The drawback with Silas is he was robbed of much of his prime due to injury.

Right now, I have no idea which player I'm going to vote for. I'm leaning toward either Bowen or Silas but I'm not sure. I'm pretty confident in that I like Bowen over AJ and Silas over Kenon. That leaves Bowen, Elliott and Silas. Bowen vs. Elliott is really damn close. And whoever is ahead in that race is really close to Silas.

This is a close one . . .

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Love the love for Silas. One of my all-time favorite Spurs. I just don't thnk this guy gets enough credit and recognition for being the great clutch player that he was for this franchise. What a shame it is that most NBA observers and fans never got to witness his true greatness following that devastating knee injury that kept him out for the better part of two full seasons ('77 & '78). By the time he played in the post-merger NBA, he was merely shell of his former self.

He gets my vote here.

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Originally Posted by Brutalis

Horry hit the most crucial 3 in Spurs history. I don't think it's fair to break it down into "corner" or "wing" or "top" positions. Just that you make it.

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Without Sean's shot, we might not win in 99, Tim may well have left in 2000, and there IS no Horry shot.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Without Sean's shot, we might not win in 99, Tim may well have left in 2000, and there IS no Horry shot.

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Precisely.

Red McCombs anyone

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Originally Posted by DynastyBuilder

Red McCombs anyone

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Although Red gets big ups for being the first man to actually FIRE Larry Brown, I don't think he was a franchise changing owner.

Silas has won 1 playoff series with SA. The same thing is true for Kenon.
They have for them some great statical seasons but teams scored a gazillion of points during these years.

To me, it's either Bowen or Elliott.

I've already given my big Sean Elliott rant, and I'll save Bruce's for when he gets the 9 spot. :smokin

"TA-CO CA-BA-NA!"

Robert Horry. For his hit on Steve Nash. Well done. Spurs got a new tougher image and I like it.

Elliott is a former All Star, hit IMO the biggest shot in Spurs history, and has been a staple of Spurs broadcasting since retirement. I'm a Bruce homer through and through but I have to vote for Sean here.

I voted for Peter Holt. After reading the responses and checking the votes, I realize that I was the first.

It was difficult to choose Holt over some excellent Spurs like Elliott, Bowen, Silas, and AJ. However, since Manu and Parker are already #6 and 7, respectively, I find it difficult not to vote for Holt.

Consider the fact that he invested in the Spurs in 1993, during an uncertain time in the franchise's development. We had been a good team, but not quite made it where we wanted to be. There were rumors that the team would be moved, but Holt wanted to keep it in San Antonio. He also believed strongly in building a team that gave back to the community and made a difference off the court as well as on it. He has played a pivotal role in building a team that the city can rally around and be proud of.

Equally as important, Holt has been influential in putting the pieces in place for the dynasty we have built. I do not know specifics, but I am sure he was either the reason or at the very least a big reason why Pop and his staff were hired. He has been very efficient in his management style, and when necessary he has been one of few owners to go over the luxury tax threshold to sign players we need. He is involved in the organization, but not too much. In short, he is an excellent owner. Any list of the most influential people in franchise history has to include him near the top, doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by xmas1997

Sean should be much higher rated than he is at the possible 8 spot.
It's insulting to put him this low.

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This is the highest I'd put Elliott. He's wasn't better than Ginobili or Parker and he certainly shouldn't have cracked the top five. Eight is extremely fair for Elliott.

Sean is one of my all time faves. Gotta go with him.

sean elliott

honestly this list is a complete piece of crap.........you can tell most of the voters dont even have a pube on their nutsack.......are there any other voters in here, besides me, that can even remember games prior to Alvin Robertson? Are there any voters in here who actually know and understand the history of our team?

Tony Parker and Manu do not deserve to be in the top 5 in Spurs history (I can accept them being in the top 10), if we are including non-players. Drossos, McCombs, Pop, and Bass all deserve to be in the Top 10. Add to that Duncan, DRob, and Gervin and there is 7 out of the first 10 people in Spurs History.

Oh well, I guess this is the same kind of voting that gave us Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton......

McCombs? The same McCombs who was about to trade Robinson for Ewing to get out of David's contract?

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Originally Posted by Biggems

Tony Parker and Manu do not deserve to be in the top 5 in Spurs history

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Um, they weren't voted top 5.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Um, they weren't voted top 5.

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I just noticed that....thank you for the correction.....i glanced before....ive been away for a few days.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

McCombs? The same McCombs who was about to trade Robinson for Ewing to get out of David's contract?

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+1 Red didn't do much but caretake on his watch. Bass got owned on more than a few deals. He was organizationally loyal, but no great shakes as a GM. I think we have all of the front office types that deserve to be in the Top 10 already. The others may fall in later.

This one, to me, comes down to Silas and Elliott and I went with Elliott because he was a 2-time All-Star, because he played on two really good but fatally flawed teams that with a small tweak could have won titles, because his return from Detroit (not by itself, necessarily) ushered in a long stretch of true title contention for the Spurs, because he took the defensive challenge on the wing for years, because he played with that kidney condition, and because he led the charge publicly to keep the Spurs in San Antonio as the Spurs face of the Saddles and Spurs campaign.

And, oh yeah, he hit this one shot one time.

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Originally Posted by Biggems

Tony Parker and Manu do not deserve to be in the top 5 in Spurs history (I can accept them being in the top 10), if we are including non-players.

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Originally Posted by timvp

SpursTalk's Top 50 Spurs
1. Tim Duncan
2. David Robinson
3. George Gervin
4. Gregg Popovich
5. Angelo Drossos
6. Manu Ginobili
7. Tony Parker

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:huh

EDIT: Ah, Spurminator already beat me to the punch here. :p:

I went with Bowen here...barely over Elliott.

The fact that Manu and Parker are 6 and 7, respectively, pretty much ruins any credibility this poll had. Based on that, perhaps we will see the entire starting five from 2007-2008 make the top 10.

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Originally Posted by Admiral

The fact that Manu and Parker are 6 and 7, respectively, pretty much ruins any credibility this poll had. Based on that, perhaps we will see the entire starting five from 2007-2008 make the top 10.

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People were actually voting for Manu and Tony in the first spot. :lol

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

People were actually voting for Manu and Tony in the first spot. :lol

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That is so true! :lol

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Originally Posted by Admiral

Consider the fact that he invested in the Spurs in 1993, during an uncertain time in the franchise's development. We had been a good team, but not quite made it where we wanted to be. There were rumors that the team would be moved, but Holt wanted to keep it in San Antonio.

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Holt originally invested in 1993 but didn't become the chairman until around 1998, IIRC. Holt got control of the team from local investors, so it wasn't really his decision at the time concerning whether or not the Spurs were going to leave. The Spurs had already been saved from outside investors.

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Originally Posted by Admiral

He also believed strongly in building a team that gave back to the community and made a difference off the court as well as on it. He has played a pivotal role in building a team that the city can rally around and be proud of.

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He has? That foundation of giving back to the community was already in place by the time he became owner. That was mostly instituted by people such as David Robinson, Avery Johnson and Sean Elliott. Holt has been somewhat active in the community but he basically followed the lead of those who came before him.

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Originally Posted by Admiral

Equally as important, Holt has been influential in putting the pieces in place for the dynasty we have built. I do not know specifics, but I am sure he was either the reason or at the very least a big reason why Pop and his staff were hired.

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Pop was hired by Robert McDermott. It was 100% a McDermott move. Pop then was given full power and was responsible for hiring just about everyone else in the organization. I'm not aware of Holt making any changes in the organization until a few months ago.

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Originally Posted by Admiral

He has been very efficient in his management style, and when necessary he has been one of few owners to go over the luxury tax threshold to sign players we need. He is involved in the organization, but not too much.

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This is true. His hands-off style has been very helpful throughout the years. He has stayed out of Pop's way and has never gotten into a power struggle.

But Holt even said that even in 1999, he had no idea of the rules of basketball. Up until about 2005, Holt wasn't much more than the token figurehead of the ownership group. He's done the "staying out of the way" thing rather well but I'm not so sure he could have done anything even if he wanted to since he knew nothing about basketball.

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Originally Posted by Admiral

In short, he is an excellent owner. Any list of the most influential people in franchise history has to include him near the top, doesn't it?

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Not near the top but somewhere before 20 should be fair. He hasn't really done anything in his ownership tenure. While that may seem like an insult, it is actually his strength as an owner.