Word is Coach K won't be back and that 2 of the possible candidates are Pop and coach D'Antoni
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/sp...=1&oref=slogin
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Word is Coach K won't be back and that 2 of the possible candidates are Pop and coach D'Antoni
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/sp...=1&oref=slogin
I have a feeling D'Antoni is going to get it.
Don't know why, but I just think so.
I would rather have Pop myself.
Pop is getting up there in age, I don't know if he wants to do it.
If true, I'll root for that team next time. Any chance a Spur will be on the roster....maybe Tony gets his citizenship.
what if pop gets injured during the olympics?
i think he should show his commitment to the spurs by not going.
Itll be D'Antoni
I'm not so sure it'll be D'antoni...D'antoni kind of left Colanegelo's beloved Suns in the lurch or at least they had a parting of the minds.
At the same time...I'm not so sure Pop is the best guy to coach the Olympic Team...it tends to take a while for his philosophy to take root in players minds...and time is a luxury to the Olympic Head coach. I think a retired coach or a quick fix artist would be better choices...
With the way D'Antoni (DanTony) preaches defense, I'm sure that will factor into Colangelo's decision.:lol
Same here. Especially if Colangelo is still running the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by LakerLanny
Colangelo isn't really associated with the Suns anymore. And D'Antoni was basically fired by Steve Kerr who took the GM job after Colangelo's son and Robert Sarver had a falling out.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I wonder if the posssible success of this team will encourage them to go with non-NBA coaches in the future. Pop was an assistant on the teams that failed.
Ahh ok...so D'antoni might have left out of some kind of loyalty to Colangelo even...so he actually could be the favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gino
To tell you the truth. I think D'antoni is a good choice for international ball. Better than Pop. He installs his system quickly and it is pretty dominant against any team without dominant bigs.
Pop should coach team USA...but it doesnt matter, whoever coach team USA..that team will won regardless of who coach them (provided all players which sign 3 years commitment still play). They play and train together before and skills wise they're on top of their game. Yes, they got defense with Tayshaun Prince in roster, many times they dont need him though. Kobe+LBJ+CP3+Mello,Howard+ sick bench + playing together for quite sometime (World games and Olympics) = u go figure
D'Antoni easily wins this job.
I would love to see Pop coaching team USA.
Pop should decline the job and cite his commitments to the Spurs organization as the justification. :stirpot:
Uh, USA is winning with choking pressure defense this year, something sadly missing from the last few teams and something that will no doubt be on the milk carton of any D'Antoni team. That being said, Team USA will probably pick him, and we stand an excellent chance of not only losing, but getting blown out as Three First Names tries to out-offense international teams instead of D-ing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
why do you follower the spursQuote:
Originally Posted by ploto
She ditched the Spurs after they traded the object of her obsession.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Maybe, but as we've seen from this current incarnation of the U.S. Olympic basketball, a team simply cannot get caught up into a run-n-gun style with those Euro teams. Sure you have to score points, but at some point, you have to get stops. A facet of the game D'Antoni clearly doesn't grasp and doesn't teach.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
So SHES the one I read about in the paper about Beno and Rasho taking out the restraining order on? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
You have absolutely no clue how far off you are. I'll make sure to point you out to Rasho when he is in SA in October.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Let's say Pop does do London. I think Pop has alot of pride for his country and would do it. Does Tim Duncan decide that maybe it's time to get his gold medal? Or is he really done with international bball forever?
I think he is done but if he would go back and play for anyone, it would probably be Pop.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursfan09
I think that USA Basketball is probably going to ask for three year commitments again, and I think Tim will pass on that to spend time with his kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursfan09
Team USA depends on speed to be succesful against the rest of the world so D'Antoni will be the obvious choice.
Speed is only useful if it's applied to both sides of the game. D'Antoni sees defense as that annoying time when you don't have the ball. USA will not win with Three First Names at the helm. You can't out International the Internationals. If the USA gets into a pure run and gun, no defense game, they're going to lose. Running off a quarter court turnover is much easier than running off a made basket because your team didn't D-up. The Internationals will kill us in a run and shoot showdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by alamo50
Thats what I think. I think it also depends on how badly Tim wants to win a gold. From what I see it does not bother him that he does not have one, but don't know if maybe deep inside he might.Quote:
Originally Posted by samikeyp
Duncan won't play international ball again. He was quite clear he was done with it, I don't think he'll change his mind. He was asked to be on this team, he turned it down. Not getting the Gold was disappointing to him but I don't think it's something that he wants bad enough to go through that experience again. His resume looks pretty good even without Gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursfan09
Besides the bad experience, the 3 year commitment is too much of his time at this stage of his career, and his life (as others have said). He's away so much during the season, he's not going to miss more of his kids. I think Duncan's focus is on bringing a couple more Championships home before he's done. I don't see him putting his time and energy into anything else.
D'Antoni would be by far the least qualified coach ever to get the U.S. job. Seriously, what has he ever done? Even Don Nelson would be a more deserving choice (although he's probably past wanting it).
If anything would make Duncan reconsider FIBA, it would be Pop coaching, but 2012 would be way too late in TD's career.
I wouldn't worry too much about Pop's system taking hold, because he would get three shots at it like Krzyzewski did.
Pop fucked it up 4 years ago. He won't be back. And D'antoni is fucking italian!
Have you heard him speak? He's about as Italian as Jed Clampetti.Quote:
Originally Posted by century
Italian hillbilly. Guy accepts italian citizenship and we make him the coach of the U.S. team? Fuck that!Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
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Originally Posted by exstatic
Agreed.
Pop didn't coach the team in 2004Quote:
Originally Posted by century
Who said he did? I said he was there to fuck it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
And the primadonnas called Larry Brown and Stephon Marbury had absolutely nothing to do with that debacle?Quote:
Originally Posted by century
With the way you're postingQuote:
Originally Posted by century
I foreshadow a future ban....
Parker will never play for team USA as he has played for the French. That disqualifies him from being part of any other team just like Kaman choosing to play for the Germans
I hope not. I'm totally against it and every Spurs fan should be against it as well, big chance of injury.
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Originally Posted by exstatic
Uh...Mike D'Antoni would likley have at least one NBA Championship right now if not for the Spurs..possibly winning one as a rookie head coach....and there aren't any National teams like the Spurs.
Don't get your hate, and the Spurs success confused with reality...the only reason D'antoni didn't realize his dream of(quickly) winning without defense, is because of the Spurs.
IF there was another team that was kicking the Suns ass, I'd appreciate it if you'd name them.
Then again in FIBA...he won't have Steve Nash as his PG, so that has to be considered as well. But I remain unsold on Pop's viability as an International Coach though...not to mention getting the players to buy into his D, during their offseason.
Avery kicked D'Antoni's ass. Didn't expect you to remember that.
I'm not saying Pop's the guy, just that D'Antoni is the guy to lose with. The players that Nike wants on the team don't shoot well enough to win with no defense against the best teams the world has to offer. I think a D'Antoni team could actually get blown out in the medal round.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Oh, and D'Antoni lost twice, in 2004 and 2006 to teams not named 'San Antonio' so somebody else was beating them. D'Antoni also did nothing much his rookie coaching year of 2003-2004, playoff wise. LA beat us and beat Minny in the WCF.
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
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Originally Posted by Alex Trebeck
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Originally Posted by whottt
Let me put it another way, one of the 3 following records is not like the others, I've leave it for you to guess which one that would be...and why.
2006-07 NBA 61 - 21 .744 1 (0 GB)
Right here>>>>:elephant:downspin:>>>>>2005-06 NBA 54 - 28 .659 1 (0 GB)<<<<<:downspin::elephant<<<<<Right here
2004-05 NBA 62 - 20 .756 1 (0 GB
All three are different whott
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I know I knowQuote:
Originally Posted by whottt
:rolleyes
btw. not polandpzrem (very often)
You know coughShoogarBearcough..when someone puts that much effort into a clever response...it's polite to at least chuckle, even if you don't mean it. Humor doesn't come as easy to some of us as it does to others.
So D'Antoni can't win without Amare, and he can't win with Amare, and he can't beat the Spurs, and he can't beat other teams. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Oh, and that team that you highlighted made it all the way to the WCFs without Amare. That's where they lost to Dallas.
I've noticed that in here I had to put aQuote:
Originally Posted by whottt
j/k
or
[/sarcasm]
otherwise nobody would get the point
About sense of humor? You would have to meet me to know
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Originally Posted by exstatic
So Amare Stoudamire is meaningless?
Got it.
PS: He beat everyone but the Spurs with Amare.
Pop hasn't even had a winning record as a coach without Duncan.
It matters.
2003-2004. He didn't win with Amare that year, and it wasn't the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Does it matter that in Pop's only season without Duncan the Spurs set the record for player games on the DL? 270 something or 280 something games? Handicap D'Antoni Amare and Nash and Matrix and see what he does...
I think Pop would be a good Olympic coach but selfishly I hope that Pop isn't picked so he can focus more on the Spurs. Pop isn't going to be a spring chicken in 2012 and I want him to use the fire he has left on the Spurs.
I think Billy Donovan has a better chance of becoming the Olympics coach than Pop. :lol
A. He wasn't with the Suns for all of that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
B. Neither was Amare.
C. Nash, Steve.
If I'm USA basketball, I hire Bob Knight to a four year contract and have him become the full-time Olympic coach. Then I'd film the whole thing as a reality series.
:lol
So, Pop can't win without Duncan and TFNs can't win without Nash. Bad News unless USA basketball can get Nash to change citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Earlier in this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
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Originally Posted by whottt
But you left out one other thing...Pop is 0-2 in International championships as an assistant.
I don't think it's a wrong statement to say D'antoni understands the international game better than Pop.
You do realize Mike D'antoni was a Euroepean scout for the Spurs don't you?
You do realize he owned every person on this forum on Beno Udrih about 5 months before anyone else had a clue...
I don't expect you to like D'Antoni...I don't like him myself, but you need to separate yourself from your bias for a second...when he had talent he won with it, and he came very close to winning a championship...and probably the main reason he didn't is the difference in rules between the NBA and the International Game....
You don't need as much emphasis on defense in the International Game...it's rules are designed to circumvent individual defensive weakness and place a premium on shooting ability.
I'm not advocating Pop, but you keep saying I am. I am de-advocating D'Antoni. The Nike Team shooters aren't good enough to play his game and beat the Internationals. They'll run us off the fucking court if we don't play defense, and no D'Antoni team ever has.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I doubt we see Kobe or Duncan in 2012, both will be past their respective primes.
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Originally Posted by j.r. haider
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Originally Posted by exstatic
That's not true about the need for D in the international game. Matter of fact, premium individual defensive ability is pretty much wasted in the International Game.
I have done nothing but laugh at Flip Saunders and the Pistons since they day they made that guy the head coach of the Pistons...but I wouldn't bat an eyelash if he was named coach of Team USA...that's exactly the sort of situation in which style would fit.
I am not in favor of Pop becoming coach of Team USA for one major reason...Pop's strength as a coach is virtually useless in International Play, and it takes time for him to instill it...a month out of each summer won't do it. It takes him 4 months every season to instill with players who know his philosophy like the back of their hands.
Whereas that game plays to the strenghts of guys like D'antoni, Saunders and even Nelly.
I'd sign off on Nelly being named coach of Team USA in an instant...I'd get physically ill if he was named coach of the Spurs. It's not the same game...just ask Tim Duncan.
Sorry, I had to go check into my hotel.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
What was the question again, Alex?
Colangelo Will Run USA Hoops Through 2012
Aug 24th 2008
Tom Ziller
AOL Fanhouse
In the afterglow of Team USA's gold medal redemption, the attention turns to what's next. Actually, the New York Times scooped everyone by asking the crew on Saturday their plans for participation in the 2009-2012 edition. But Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports got something solid on the guy who calls the shots, Jerry Colangelo.
Moments after the United States' 118-107 victory over Spain on Sunday, Colangelo strongly suggested he would return: "Look, continuity is important. If you're a betting guy, you'd say, (I'm) probably going to do it. But it's not official."
Colangelo, 68, said he plans to make an announcement next week. His continuing in the job would be no surprise. Colangelo has been talking a lot about the future of the program, about its next steps and no one surrounding USA Basketball and the NBA expects him to walk away.
That matters quite a bit. Why? Colangelo's proud of this team, proud his vision came to its best possible end. I imagine, because of that, any Redeem Teamers who want back in for the 2010 World Championships and the 2012 London Games will have a spot ... save maybe Jason Kidd.
Likewise, the players Colangelo picked for the USA Select team -- Kevin Durant, Greg Oden, Kevin Martin, Brandon Roy among them -- will likely have a better shot than if someone else took over. If too many 2008 ballers stick around (it'd be a third straight Games appearance for Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, Chris Paul and Dwyane Wade), these other kids won't get much of a chance.
As for coaching, expect Mike D'Antoni or Nate McMillan to get the nod. Gregg Popovich has been mentioned, but he and Colangelo don't get along, and that'd potentially ruin all the good feelings from Beijing.
as if he'd want to. :rolleyes
Well, Redeem team that just won gold implemented DA's system. As a Suns fan, I hated his system for NBA plays since you never could assemble enough talent to make it successful in the playoffs. Everybody needs to be able to defend and make steals while able to shoot and score at the same time. Only team USA could get so much talent to do that. So, it's logical that they give the job to DA.