By Ira Winderman | Sun-Sentinel.com
1:45 PM EDT, August 28, 2008
MIAMI - Miami Heat President Pat Riley said today that only one player targeted by his team got away this summer.
The surprise was that player was guard Roger Mason Jr., who left the Washington Wizards to sign as a free agent with the San Antonio Spurs.
Riley, addressing his team's personnel for the first time in weeks, said his goal had been to add both Mason and forward James Jones, but ultimately had to settle on adding Jones as a free agent from the Portland Trail Blazers.
"The only player that we didn't get in free agency that we wanted was Roger Mason and we couldn't. It was going to be either/or, really," Riley said shortly after a ceremony at AmericanAirlines Arena that saluted Dwyane Wade's gold-medal success at the Beijing Olympics. "We tried to convince one of them to take the $1.9 (million low-level salary-cap exception). But everybody else we wanted, we got."
The Heat still retains its $1.9 million exception, but otherwise has no exception space after splitting its $5.6 million mid-level exception between Jones, Denver Nuggets free-agent swingman Yakhouba Diawara and second-round draft pick Mario Chalmers, the point guard out of Kansas.
"We were able to squeeze three players into our mid-level, which, to me, was sort of a coup for us," said Riley, whose team is operating above the NBA's soft salary cap and therefore limited to utilizing salary-cap exceptions. "Now we're just trying to fortify with pieces and obviously we need help at the post."
In addition to looking for an additional post player, Riley said the Heat continues to negotiate with free-agent point guard Chris Quinn.
Otherwise, Riley said it is possible the Heat simply moves forward with a current core built around guard Dwyane Wade and forwards Michael Beasley, Shawn Marion and Udonis Haslem.
"I mean, anything can happen," he said. "But I think the nucleus will probably go into training camp."
Training camp opens Sept. 27.
08-28-2008
timvp
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Nice find :tu
Riley is pretty good at what he does so I guess it is a good sign he also wanted Mason. This could also explain why Mason's salary is a little bit inflated.
I wonder if the Heat wanted to sign Mason to play him and Wade in the backcourt.
08-28-2008
T Park
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
U mean the Spurs signed someone thats good?
IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
08-28-2008
Magic_Johnson
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
yeah but Riley wanted ricky davis
08-28-2008
koriwhat
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
unbeavable!
08-28-2008
Sissiborgo
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
good guy!..
08-28-2008
xtremesteven33
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
i have a good feeling about Mason. hopefully hes a mix of a Barry/Finley type player.
just a younger version...haha
08-28-2008
SenorSpur
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
When it comes to targeting FAs, Pop and Riles seem to be birds of a feather. Remember the Spurs signed a guy named Bruce Bowen away from Riles and the Heat, several years ago.
On another note I really wished the Spurs would've gone after Denver Nuggets free-agent swingman Yakhouba Diawara.
08-28-2008
urunobili
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Riley said shortly after a ceremony at AmericanAirlines Arena that saluted Dwyane Wade's gold-medal success at the Beijing Olympics.
did Manu have a ceremony of his previous gold medal success back in 2004 in SAT?
08-28-2008
MarCowMar
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
We've had interest overlap with the Heat with Haslem and Daequan Cook too.
08-28-2008
Ed Helicopter Jones
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
I'm kind of hoping the Roger Mason acquisition goes a little like the Bruce Bowen one. No one cares about it at the time, but it turns out to be a genious move looking back.
08-28-2008
timvp
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
did Manu have a ceremony of his previous gold medal success back in 2004 in SAT?
Is San Antonio in Argentina?
08-28-2008
Medvedenko
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Getting the dick hard for Roger Mason....wow....slow offseason no doubt.
He's ok coming off the bench.
08-28-2008
urunobili
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Is San Antonio in Argentina?
your answer is misleading... SAT = San Antonio and i am asking if he got one from the Spurs franchise
08-28-2008
Lebowski Brickowski
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Miami Heat President Pat Riley said today that only one player targeted by his team got away this summer.
In a related story...only one of the players the Spurs targeted didn't get awaythis summer
08-28-2008
Buddy Holly
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
your answer is misleading... SAT = San Antonio and i am asking if he got one from the Spurs franchise
Why would they? Let's throw him a party for beating America!
08-28-2008
Fabbs
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lebowski Brickowski
In a related story...only one of the players the Spurs targeted didn't get awaythis summer
:lol
Quote:
T-Park U mean the Spurs signed someone thats good?
IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
Premature exhiliration. 'Popped can still keep him out of games.
08-28-2008
Allanon
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Roger Mason's the kind of player who has the potential for 30 point games. But based on his career, there's something holding him back. I have a feeling he's the "I'm collecting paychecks" kind of NBA player but I'm just guessing.
This last season, he had a breakout year once Agent0 went down. He had a good Playoff run and torched the hell out of the Cavaliers in some of the games.
Why then would the Wizards just let him walk away like that. Was he only playing for a new contract? I guess we'll have to wait another 61 days to see him in action.
08-28-2008
xtremesteven33
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
13 PPG, 2 APG, 3 RPG
would be sweet from Mason
08-28-2008
MiamiHeat
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
your answer is misleading... SAT = San Antonio and i am asking if he got one from the Spurs franchise
ok, making it clearer for you
Why would the San Antonio Spurs, located in San Antonio, Texas in the United States of America, celebrate Manu Ginobili's Gold Medal for Argentina?
08-28-2008
Pero
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by MiamiHeat
ok, making it clearer for you
Why would the San Antonio Spurs, located in San Antonio, Texas in the United States of America, celebrate Manu Ginobili's Gold Medal for Argentina?
:lmao
08-28-2008
Steve-O-Matic
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Miami recovered nicely getting Mario Chalmers in the 2nd freakin' round of the draft, so all is not lost for them by missing out on Mason.
08-28-2008
texbound
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
Why then would the Wizards just let him walk away like that. Was he only playing for a new contract? I guess we'll have to wait another 61 days to see him in action.
Reporting indicated that the Wizards wanted to re-sign Mason, but matching the Spurs offer for him would've put them over the lux tax threshold. That also could be the reason why the Spurs offer was a little higher for Mason. It was reported in the Washington Post that after signing Arenas, Jamison, and their 1st RD pick, the Wizards were about 2.5 to 3 million under the lux tax mark. The Spurs signed Mason to a 2 yr, 7.3 million dollar contract which probably starts at about 3.5 million.
08-28-2008
I Love Me Some Me
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
At one point, Pat Riley also wanted to add Juwan Howard for a shitload of money, so maybe Riles isn't exactly the talent judging compass we should use to determine if Roger Mason is a good signing or not.
08-28-2008
Ed Helicopter Jones
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by I Love Me Some Me
At one point, Pat Riley also wanted to add Juwan Howard for a shitload of money, so maybe Riles isn't exactly the talent judging compass we should use to determine if Roger Mason is a good signing or not.
Riles was smart enough to draft Charles "Spider" Smith in the first round. That's all the convincing I need that the man is a certifiable talent guru!!!
/lock this thread now cause it's ovah!
08-28-2008
mrspurs
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Nice find :tu
Riley is pretty good at what he does so I guess it is a good sign he also wanted Mason. This could also explain why Mason's salary is a little bit inflated.
I wonder if the Heat wanted to sign Mason to play him and Wade in the backcourt.
100% agreed on the find :wow
08-28-2008
Tully365
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
13 PPG, 2 APG, 3 RPG
would be sweet from Mason
Yeah, I agree completely. If he grows as much this year as he did last year, I think he'll be as good or better than Finley was in his first year in San Antonio. The more I look at things, the more I'm convinced that he will get some good back up minutes at PG (unless Hill develops surprisingly fast)-- a backcourt of Mason/Manu has good size and will be nice defensively. Guys like Mason and Udoka aren't going to blow us away with their numbers, but they do give Pop a lot of flexibility, and are smart, focused players. I think a lot of teams are kicking themselves for not pursuing Udoka last year (considering how inexpensive he was for the Spurs) and hopefully many teams will feel the same way about Mason once this season gets underway.
Quote:
Originally Posted by texbound
Reporting indicated that the Wizards wanted to re-sign Mason, but matching the Spurs offer for him would've put them over the lux tax threshold. That also could be the reason why the Spurs offer was a little higher for Mason. It was reported in the Washington Post that after signing Arenas, Jamison, and their 1st RD pick, the Wizards were about 2.5 to 3 million under the lux tax mark. The Spurs signed Mason to a 2 yr, 7.3 million dollar contract which probably starts at about 3.5 million.
Even if the Spurs did overpay a bit, it was a smart analysis of the cap situation in Washington that probably made them arrive at that number. I know people were excited for a bigger name (Maggette, Smith), but I think their approach to this off season was pretty sound: take a chance on the longshot Maggette, and once he was gone, go with an unrestricted guy who looks realistic in Mason. I was never a fan of Smith because of character issues & his disinterest in D, but even I was on the fence about whether a full MLE offer would be matched by Denver due to their payroll situation. I don't think too many people could've predicted that the defense-impaired Nuggets would give away a former DPOY center for nothing, but that's what happened and it shows just how unpredictable the whole free agent season can be. If the Spurs had signed Smith to an offer sheet, the Nuggets probably would have waited the maximum time to make their deal and match the offer, during which time Mason quite possibly signs with Riley & the Heat...
Another interesting situation to keep an eye on will be Washington's: I've always like Jamison, but is signing a 32 yr old to a 4 yr/$50 mil deal a good idea? We've seen how quickly Ben Wallace declined after age 32/33, and he's in incredible physical shape... also, I know a lot was made of Arenas's willingness to take a less-than-max deal, but I don't really think he's a max guy anyway.... all of this stuff goes into managing payroll, and we'll see if the Spurs signing one of Washington bench guys actually turns out to be a better move than them resigning their two biggest stars to big contracts.
08-28-2008
Allanon
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tully365
Yeah, I agree completely. If he grows as much this year as he did last year, I think he'll be as good or better than Finley was in his first year in San Antonio. The more I look at things, the more I'm convinced that he will get some good back up minutes at PG (unless Hill develops surprisingly fast)-- a backcourt of Mason/Manu has good size and will be nice defensively.
I don't think Mason can play point guard, he's more of a tweener Guard/Small Forward. He's more of a spot-up jump-shooter but he has good size and strength and can be good defensively if he bought into it.
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Another interesting situation to keep an eye on will be Washington's: I've always like Jamison, but is signing a 32 yr old to a 4 yr/$50 mil deal a good idea? We've seen how quickly Ben Wallace declined after age 32/33, and he's in incredible physical shape... also, I know a lot was made of Arenas's willingness to take a less-than-max deal, but I don't really think he's a max guy anyway.... all of this stuff goes into managing payroll, and we'll see if the Spurs signing one of Washington bench guys actually turns out to be a better move than them resigning their two biggest stars to big contracts.
Jamison was for sure extended a bit too long but it's one of the prices you have to pay when a good player hits 32 years old. At 32 he has a solid record of about ~20 ppg, 10 rebounds. But you know he's going to decline but you can't lose that 20/10 right now.
What's even more interesting is Scola will probably be close to 20/10 for $3.1 million this year and $3.3 million next year...cheaper than Jamison's $12 million/year and Roger Mason's $3.5 and $3.7million next year :D
08-28-2008
Solid D
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Riley
"The only player that we didn't get in free agency that we wanted was Roger Mason and we couldn't."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Jackson
"We believe ('07 2nd rounder) Sun Yue had the potential to do some things in our system better than some of the other players out there that other teams overspent on."
Why would the San Antonio Spurs, located in San Antonio, Texas in the United States of America, celebrate Manu Ginobili's Gold Medal for Argentina?
are you a mod troll that nothing gets you banned?
08-28-2008
Tully365
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
I don't think Mason can play point guard, he's more of a tweener Guard/Small Forward. He's more of a spot-up jump-shooter but he has good size and strength and can be good defensively if he bought into it.
Roger Mason started for the Wizards on Sunday with Antonio Daniels (ankle) sidelined, finishing with 18 points on 7-of-14 shooting, four three-pointers, five rebounds and one steal.
*
Jan. 15, 2008 - 10:58 p.m. ET
Roger Mason started at point guard for ailing starter Antonio Daniels (knee) and scored 20 points on 8-of-14 shooting.
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Dec. 29, 2007 - 9:51 p.m. ET
Roger Mason finished a blowout victory over the Heat on Saturday with 12 points, two three-pointer, five assists and four steals in a team-high 34 minutes.
Mason has hit at least one three-pointer in every game this month, and has been providing nice value with Gilbert Arenas and Antonio Daniels both sidelined.
*
Dec. 22, 2007 - 9:40 p.m. ET
Roger Mason got another start at point guard Saturday against the Pacers and had 20 points, five rebounds and four assists.
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Dec. 21, 2007 - 11:04 p.m. ET
Roger Mason started at point guard Friday against the Hawks...
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Dec. 15, 2007 - 10:05 p.m. ET
Roger Mason came off the Wizards' bench on Saturday and logged 35 minutes compared to only 14 minutes played by starting point guard Nick Young. Mason converted 13 points on 6-of-12 shooting, and grabbed three rebounds.
08-28-2008
Allanon
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Good Catch Tully
I guess he can play some point guard after all. I'm used to seeing him play the 2 and the 3 against some teams.
If he can do a good job at PG, he'll be one of the biggest point guards in the NBA.
08-28-2008
Tully365
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
Good Catch Tully
I guess he can play some point guard after all. I'm used to seeing him play the 2 and the 3 against some teams.
If he can do a good job at PG, he'll be one of the biggest point guards in the NBA.
Here's another bit of info on him that is very interesting-- stats as a starter: (you can find these on nba.com: underneath the player profiles, click on "season splits")
9 games started
37 mpg
17.4 ppg
3.4 apg
3.0 rpg
52.6% FG
43.1% 3PT
90.1% FT
I realize this is a small sample size, but you can definitely argue that when the opportunity presented itself, Roger stepped up big time.
08-28-2008
HarlemHeat37
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
I've been saying this since we signed him..I saw a lot of him last year, and I'm expecting good things from him..all the Wizards fans I talked to after the trade say they absolutely loved the guy, he's a team player, he's a good guy and gives a lot of effort..from what I saw, he's a solid shooter and a guy that can potentially score 20+ points every once in a while..something we've lacked for a little while..he definitely helps our scoring..
the reason he wasn't re-signed was simply because of money..the Wizards weren't going to give out that much $ when they have Nick Young waiting for playing time..
08-28-2008
mystargtr34
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
I don't think Mason can play point guard, he's more of a tweener Guard/Small Forward. He's more of a spot-up jump-shooter but he has good size and strength and can be good defensively if he bought into it.
Jamison was for sure extended a bit too long but it's one of the prices you have to pay when a good player hits 32 years old. At 32 he has a solid record of about ~20 ppg, 10 rebounds. But you know he's going to decline but you can't lose that 20/10 right now.
What's even more interesting is Scola will probably be close to 20/10 for $3.1 million this year and $3.3 million next year...cheaper than Jamison's $12 million/year and Roger Mason's $3.5 and $3.7million next year :D
Your not the smartest kid around this block. I saw you make a post the other day saying if you workout Scola's number for 48 minutes he would average 20 and 10 :lol
If Leon Powe played just 40 minutes a night he would average
22 PPG
11.2 RPG
3.6 APG
Leon Powe > Tim Duncan
Doc Rivers must be stupid not playing him 40 minutes when he could get that sort of production, he should really be playing him all 48 minutes.
Randy Wittman is even dumber, Craig Smith averages 6 and 5, but if the Wolves had the brain to play him for 40 minute last season he would have put up 19 and 9.... thats all star numbers.
Chris Wilcox?
Per 40 Minutes
19 PPG
10 RPG
8.8 APG
This dude could put up Oscar Robertson numbers if PJ would only play him for 40 minutes. I should coach in the NBA.
Thats 3 all stars right there... that will be fighting Luis Scola for that final per 40 minute All-Star spot.
08-28-2008
Allanon
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by mystargtr34
Your not the smartest kid around this block. I saw you make a post the other day saying if you workout Scola's number for 48 minutes he would average 20 and 10 :lol
Ah but your mind is shallow, you're trying to compare a guy who actually got minutes and will continue to get more minutes to scrub minutes by Leon Powe and underachieving minutes by Chris Wilcox.
You pull Leon Powe out of the air... who saw only 11 minutes during the Playoffs....what chance would he have of getting 40 minutes average? Zilch, nada, none.
Chris Wilcox? He's been in the league for 7 years and he averages 22 minutes, he ain't going to get 40 minutes a game this late in his career.
Now let's look at Scola. He got sporadic minutes as he is a rookie. But towards the end of the season, he saw major playing time.
During the Playoffs, Scola played 37 minutes and averaged 14 points and 9 rebounds. That's during the PLAYOFFS when things get much tighter and he was still able to get his.
It's not a stretch at all to say Scola can average 20/10 this year and actually get 40+ minutes this year. But to bring up guys who don't get minutes and WON'T get any minutes to compare to Scola who increased his minutes to 37? During the Olympics Scola dropped 28 points and 11 rebounds on the best basketball team in the world. He averaged 18 ppg per game for 3rd best in the Olympics only behind Yao and Pau. You don't think Rick Adelman's going to give him 35-40 minutes this year?
Next thing I know, you'll be saying Bynum won't be getting his 20/10 this year either because you can't give him a per 48 either.
Haha, please buy a clue.
08-28-2008
remingtonbo2001
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Is San Antonio in Argentina?
No. However, San Antonio is in Chile, which is a neighboring country of Argentina.
Does that count? :spin
08-28-2008
MiamiHeat
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Chileans hate Argentine's and Peruvians and vice versa.
So. nope, no count. :spin
08-28-2008
mystargtr34
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
Ah but your mind is shallow, you're trying to compare a guy who actually got minutes and will continue to get more minutes to scrub minutes by Leon Powe and underachieving minutes by Chris Wilcox.
You pull Leon Powe out of the air... who saw only 11 minutes during the Playoffs....what chance would he have of getting 40 minutes average? Zilch, nada, none.
Chris Wilcox? He's been in the league for 7 years and he averages 22 minutes, he ain't going to get 40 minutes a game this late in his career.
Now let's look at Scola. He got sporadic minutes as he is a rookie. But towards the end of the season, he saw major playing time.
During the Playoffs, Scola played 37 minutes and averaged 14 points and 9 rebounds. That's during the PLAYOFFS when things get much tighter and he was still able to get his.
It's not a stretch at all to say Scola can average 20/10 this year and actually get 40+ minutes this year. But to bring up guys who don't get minutes and WON'T get any minutes to compare to Scola who increased his minutes to 37?
Next thing I know, you'll be saying Bynum won't be getting his 20/10 this year either because you can't give him a per 48 either.
Haha, please buy a clue.
Kevin Garnett > Carl Landry.
How many minutes you think Scola would get playing with KG?
Chris Wilcox wont start getting more minutes at this stage of his career? Hes two years younger than Scola, and he played nearly 30 minutes a game last season. He played 32 minutes per game the year before that. Thats regular starters minutes. Most times he is the number 2 guy the opposition has to stop behind Durant. Do you have any clue why he didnt get minutes early in his career? Have you heard of Elton Brand?
While Scola has to beat out Carl Landry and Chuck Hayes, Wilcox was fighting for minutes with Elton Brand. I should be pulling your card back on you and saying whats to say Scola will get more minutes and increase his numbers when the team is bringing back a healthy Yao AND adding Ron Artest.
All im saying is its a bit stupid to start simply multiplying numbers to get to a certain amount of minutes.
Scola averaged 10 and 6 in the regular season in 25 minutes.... you say if he played 48 he would average 20 and 10? Then how come when he went up to 37 minutes he couldnt increase his numbers at the same rate. He put up an extra 4 points and 3 rebounds in 14 minutes extra - that doesnt quite equate to your theory.
Not to mention his FG% dropped to .448% and his turnoverswent up and his fouls went way up with the extra touches and minutes.
It doesnt quite work the way you say buddy.
08-28-2008
Tully365
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by MiamiHeat
ok, making it clearer for you
Why would the San Antonio Spurs, located in San Antonio, Texas in the United States of America, celebrate Manu Ginobili's Gold Medal for Argentina?
It seems like all of your posts involve bashing another country. It is possible, you know, to love your own country and still be interested in other countries. Not every human born outside of the US is your enemy.
And to answer your question: Manu is their employee, so chances are even if there are some mixed feelings, the Spurs would still be classy enough to congratulate and yes, even to celebrate the accomplishments of one of their best employees. It's not war-- it's the olympics, which is supposed to be the exact opposite.
08-28-2008
Allanon
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by mystargtr34
Kevin Garnett > Carl Landry.
How many minutes you think Scola would get playing with KG?
Chris Wilcox wont start getting more minutes at this stage of his career? Hes two years younger than Scola, and he played nearly 30 minutes a game last season. He played 32 minutes per game the year before that. Thats regular starters minutes. Most times he is the number 2 guy the opposition has to stop behind Durant. Do you have any clue why he didnt get minutes early in his career? Have you heard of Elton Brand?
Uhm, yeah, Chris Wilcox has been "the man" in Seattle for 3 years now, if anything, he's losing minutes. He's been fighting himself for those minutes, really, even Carl Landry is a better player than Chris Wilcox.
Quote:
While Scola has to beat out Carl Landry and Chuck Hayes, Wilcox was fighting for minutes with Elton Brand. I should be pulling your card back on you and saying whats to say Scola will get more minutes and increase his numbers when the team is bringing back a healthy Yao AND adding Ron Artest.
Yao is a Center, Artest is a Small Forward/Guard. Scola is a Power Forward, they're not going to have Yao Play Power Forward and Ron Ron is not playing Power Forward.
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All im saying is its a bit stupid to start simply multiplying numbers to get to a certain amount of minutes.
If I started simply multiplying #'s for Smush Parker or Leon Powe, yes that's stupid. But I'm multiplying numbers for Luis Scola who has improved by leaps and bounds. I'm also multiplying numbers for Andrew Bynum. I suppose we'll see at the end of the year if multiplying #'s for these 2 guys is stupid.
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Scola averaged 10 and 6 in the regular season in 25 minutes.... you say if he played 48 he would average 20 and 10? Then how come when he went up to 37 minutes he couldnt increase his numbers at the same rate. He put up an extra 4 points and 3 rebounds in 14 minutes extra - that doesnt quite equate to your theory.
Not to mention his FG% dropped to .448% and his turnoverswent up and his fouls went way up with the extra touches and minutes.
It doesnt quite work the way you say buddy.
PLAYOFFS are different then the regular season, much more difficult to score then, buddy.
08-28-2008
lefty
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
I can see Mason as the new S-Jax :hat
08-28-2008
Tully365
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Allanon:
You can't talk about Scola becoming a very good player in the NBA on Spurstalk... it will instantly make 50% of the posters here either start foaming at the mouth, slip into seizures, or kick their dogs. It's like arguing religion with your new girlfriend's parents the first time you meet them. Get out now, while you still can!
08-28-2008
Allanon
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tully365
Allanon:
You can't talk about Scola becoming a very good player in the NBA on Spurstalk... it will instantly make 50% of the posters here either start foaming at the mouth, slip into seizures, or kick their dogs. It's like arguing religion with your new girlfriend's parents the first time you meet them. Get out now, while you still can!
Ah I know, I just made a small passing comment but it was picked up and harshly criticized with my intelligence questioned so I had to respond.
It's all good though, what better way than to spend 60 days than to find some debates here and there? MyStar and I have argued often in the past (and probably half the board here) and probably will do so again.
That's why I don't go to Laker boards and only really post here at Spurstalk, it's opinionated :D
08-28-2008
mystargtr34
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tully365
Allanon:
You can't talk about Scola becoming a very good player in the NBA on Spurstalk... it will instantly make 50% of the posters here either start foaming at the mouth, slip into seizures, or kick their dogs. It's like arguing religion with your new girlfriend's parents the first time you meet them. Get out now, while you still can!
Scola is a good player, hes 10x better than the 6'10" robot playing next to Duncan, or any other big we have next to Duncan, Thomas included.
It was a stupid trade then, and its a stupid trade now, doesnt change my argument one bit though.
08-28-2008
mystargtr34
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
Ah I know, I just made a small passing comment but it was picked up and harshly criticized with my intelligence questioned so I had to respond.
It's all good though, what better way than to spend 60 days than to find some debates here and there? MyStar and I have argued often in the past (and probably half the board here) and probably will do so again.
That's why I don't go to Laker boards and only really post here at Spurstalk, it's opinionated :D
It had nothing to do with the fact Scola was a former Spur, my point had nothin to do with that. Ive stated more than nearly everyone on here that it was a stupid trade. Scola is one of the better PF's in the game, but just because he averages 10 and 6 in 25 mins doesnt mean hes putting up 20 and 12 in 50 minutes - i tried to use examples to show that.
08-28-2008
mystargtr34
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
Uhm, yeah, Chris Wilcox has been "the man" in Seattle for 3 years now, if anything, he's losing minutes. He's been fighting himself for those minutes, really, even Carl Landry is a better player than Chris Wilcox.
He is because by your criteria he would average 20 and 11 if he played 40 minutes, and Wilcox would only be at 19 and 10.
Seriously though, Wilcox > Landry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
Yao is a Center, Artest is a Small Forward/Guard. Scola is a Power Forward, they're not going to have Yao Play Power Forward and Ron Ron is not playing Power Forward.
I was talking more about the touches he would get rather than him losing minutes.
Yao will average 20-22
T-Mac 20-22
Artest 14-16
Battier 8-10
Rafer 10-12
Thats about 77 points that those guys could easily end up accounting for, given the Rockets are a slow paced walk it up the floor defensive team, they only score about 95 a game.
That leaves about 20 points for the rest of the entire team.
I think Scola will definately improve but i cant see him going over 13-7 on that team.. which is still more than any Spurs big could put up if they were in a gym on their own.
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Originally Posted by Allanon
PLAYOFFS are different then the regular season, much more difficult to score then, buddy.
Fair enough, but it also gets tougher once you become a bigger part of an offense, defenses will key in even more. I just cant see him being anywhere near a 20-10 guy - doesnt change the fact hes a damn good player.
08-28-2008
mystargtr34
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Buddy
08-28-2008
tlongII
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Pat Riley is senile.
08-28-2008
Allanon
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
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Originally Posted by mystargtr34
Buddy
I've pretty much forgotten what we were arguing about now and had to laugh at your add-on there.
Please don't ask me how many players we got. Shit... don't call on me. Please.
08-29-2008
bigdog
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
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Originally Posted by lefty
I can see Mason as the new S-Jax :hat
Mason is nowhere near Jackson
08-29-2008
completely deck
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
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Originally Posted by bigdog
Mason is nowhere near Jackson
How can you tell before the season starts?
08-29-2008
mystargtr34
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
I've pretty much forgotten what we were arguing about now and had to laugh at your add-on there.
Anyways, good points bitch :toast
I was hoping you would, i got a fluid mechanics mid sem on Monday morning i gotta get busy.
08-29-2008
mystargtr34
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
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Originally Posted by completely deck
How can you tell before the season starts?
Previous seasons.
08-29-2008
Tully365
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
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Originally Posted by mystargtr34
Buddy
:lol
08-29-2008
angelbelow
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
i was in full support of roger mason, i think in time this move wont be so underrated.
08-29-2008
completely deck
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
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Originally Posted by mystargtr34
Previous seasons.
With players that are the caliber of our squad? How about the game type that was coached? Unless he played on a team that had a Tony/Tim/Manu/Bruce clone, then your points are moot.
See: Damon Stoudamire.
08-29-2008
MoSpur
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Mason is gonna have to really step up now that Manu is going to be out for a while
08-29-2008
urunobili
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat
Chileans hate Argentine's and Peruvians and vice versa.
So. nope, no count. :spin
Interesting knowledge of South American demographics for a guy in the US... you are sounding like an illegal Argentine hater in MIA now... :lol
It seems you were humiliated by them or something... i would dare to say Bolivian or Peruvian :lmao
08-29-2008
urunobili
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog
Mason is nowhere near Jackson
can we keep positive thinking for 10 posts? :lol
08-29-2008
MiamiHeat
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
Interesting knowledge of South American demographics for a guy in the US... you are sounding like an illegal Argentine hater in MIA now... :lol
It seems you were humiliated by them or something... i would dare to say Bolivian or Peruvian :lmao
Reading is fundamental
you should try it sometime.
i remember Tim Duncan did one of these "Reading is Fundamental" commercials, but I cant find it
08-29-2008
TDMVPDPOY
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
facepalm
08-29-2008
MiamiHeat
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
block, groinkick
08-29-2008
spurs50_
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
I too am excited about Mason, but I am also eager to see what tolliver can bring to the team. Tolliver is the same size as Brand, Bass, and Diaw so his size isn't really an issue plus he can hit the three. Can't wait...
08-29-2008
lefty
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog
Mason is nowhere near Jackson
Why not?
- he is a confident shooter
- he can penetrate
- he sometimes plays out of control (hey, we need a little craziness).
Plus, S-Jax really blossomed in San Antonio.
Before that, he was cut by ........ the NJ Nets.
Mase is already a good player, and he will get better in SA
08-29-2008
Tully365
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Now that Manu's surgery is a sure thing, Mason is sure to get lots of minutes for at least the first month of the season. If the Spurs finish the month of November with a good record, it will be cause for celebration in San Antonio...
08-29-2008
xtremesteven33
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
another thing i havent seen mentioned is the spurs defense will be improved from last year. having mason rather than finley in the lineup will improve our defense from the getgo.
mason is younger,faster and smarter i believe when it comes to the defensive end. defense wins championships people. lets not forget that.
wish we had pargo though....:(
08-29-2008
Manufan909
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Mason is a penetrator? Where is he on the Bowen-----Manu scale(please say closer to Manu!!!)?
08-29-2008
Tully365
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
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Originally Posted by Tully365
Here's another bit of info on him that is very interesting-- stats as a starter: (you can find these on nba.com: underneath the player profiles, click on "season splits")
9 games started
37 mpg
17.4 ppg
3.4 apg
3.0 rpg
52.6% FG
43.1% 3PT
90.1% FT
I realize this is a small sample size, but you can definitely argue that when the opportunity presented itself, Roger stepped up big time.
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Originally Posted by Manufan909
Mason is a penetrator? Where is he on the Bowen-----Manu scale(please say closer to Manu!!!)?
Mason should be much closer to Manu than to Bowen in overall offensive production...
08-29-2008
xtremesteven33
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manufan909
Mason is a penetrator? Where is he on the Bowen-----Manu scale(please say closer to Manu!!!)?
FINLEY/BARRY
08-29-2008
lefty
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Missing Manu is a good thing.
The newcomers will get more minutes and develop.
Udoka will get more minutes too.
And Manu will come back 100% healthy, and sprain his other ankle...
I mean the team will be even stronger with imoroved players and an healthy Manu
08-29-2008
xtremesteven33
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
still wish we had pargo though
08-29-2008
Manufan909
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
shit
08-29-2008
duncan228
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by MiamiHeat
i remember Tim Duncan did one of these "Reading is Fundamental" commercials, but I cant find it
Getting the dick hard for Roger Mason....wow....slow offseason no doubt.
He's ok coming off the bench.
I wish the Spurs can get a future HoF in the Chinese Magic Johnson.
08-29-2008
PDXSpursFan
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Manu + Mason for Wade :D
08-29-2008
wisnub
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Big Deal.....it wouldnt matter unless Riley got strike with lightning bolt and suddenly want to trade Mason + (salary cap filler players here) for Wade. Party in the riverwalk will start before the season even begin...:lol
08-30-2008
wildbill2u
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Nice find :tu
Riley is pretty good at what he does so I guess it is a good sign he also wanted Mason. This could also explain why Mason's salary is a little bit inflated.
I wonder if the Heat wanted to sign Mason to play him and Wade in the backcourt.
But when it came to the nut-cuttin' of an either/or situation Riley opted for Johnson over Mason.
Leftovers are sometimes tasty, but they aren't people's first choice.
08-30-2008
exstatic
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
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Originally Posted by wildbill2u
But when it came to the nut-cuttin' of an either/or situation Riley opted for Johnson over Mason.
Leftovers are sometimes tasty, but they aren't people's first choice.
Uh, he would have taken Mason first, if he would have come for half or less of the MLE, which is what Miami had to offer.. Because we threw $4M at him, Riles was forced to go with Jones, a more limited player who took less money.
08-30-2008
pad300
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Uh, he would have taken Mason first, if he would have come for half or less of the MLE, which is what Miami had to offer.. Because we threw $4M at him, Riles was forced to go with Jones, a more limited player who took less money.
James Jones got $22M/5years, which is more annual salary and years than Mason got...Jones was clearly his first target.
08-30-2008
Ice009
Re: Pat Riley wanted to add Roger Mason
Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
James Jones got $22M/5years, which is more annual salary and years than Mason got...Jones was clearly his first target.
Wow. If he got that then I guess he was their first choice since it's definitely more money annually.
