Manu to have surgery.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...li-Surgery.php

.....out 6-8 weeks....Article below, for the click challenged.

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina: San Antonio Spurs guard Manu Ginobili says he needs arthroscopic surgery to repair a ligament injury in his left heel after playing for Argentina in the Beijing Olympics.

"They're going to operate on me," Ginobili was quoted as saying by Argentina's La Nacion newspaper Friday.

Ginobili, who helped lead Argentina to a bronze medal in Beijing, said a subsequent MRI exam of his injured ankle showed no improvement.

"It's the same as it was two months ago, when they did the first exam," he said. "It's not worse, which is important. Now, the thing is, it's not better either, and it seems like the only way to repair it completely is arthroscopic surgery."

Ginobili first hurt the ankle during the NBA playoffs, and Spurs coach Gregg Popovich had urged his player not to compete in the Olympics unless the injury improved. Ginobili had to sit out the bronze-medal match against Lithuania after feeling pain during the semifinals against the United States.

Ginobili, 31, said he doesn't know what doctor will perform the surgery or when.

"Aside from this situation, I'm comfortable with the situation," he said. "My plan was to be part of the Olympic games, and I knew that if I suffered from pain they would have to operate. This isn't something that took me by surprise."


DD

What a pussy.

So he should be ready around the beginign of the season, but his minutes should definintely be limited to around 20 MPG maybe a little more.

trade him now!

Has he had surgery before?

Welcome back Michael Finley, and for those of you Spurs Fans who had no problems with Manu playing in the Olympics. This is what happens when you let a player decide whether or not he plays or sits depending on what the doctor says. (You cant tell me someone didnt have the money to do an MRI on the side, its done for Players Personal Insurance Policys.) And there are still fans out there, who have no problems with TP playing overseas at the moment :lol. Its a no brainer Pop is furious, the FO is upset. This is the future of the San Antonio Spurs, not some country called Argentina or France. Like it or not, but with our current roster, we will live and die from beyond the arc, because now teams only have to stop one penetrator. TP. Someone should Text TP. :wow

I bet Roger Mason's agent wishes they had waited till after the Olympics before signing......

Unbelievable......
Sounds like he wanted to get hurt..
On the bright side, it gives some of the new talent some minutes.

Manu and his ankles are in my prayers.

Be healed quickly, MG. :)

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Originally Posted by urunobili

“I will undergo surgery, but I would make the same decision of going to Beijing again”

By Manu
Translation By Urunobili

San Antonio – Here I am, back in San Antonio, happy with the Bronze medal won in the games and ready to face a new season on the NBA. After I arrived they immediately did an MRI on my left ankle, more than anything to check how the ligament looked, if it was bigger or smaller than last time we checked or if it was damaged. Basically, the studies indicated that it’s just like it was two months ago when I got the first MRI. It is not worse which is important. Now the thing is it is not better either, and it looks that the only way for a total recovery is to undergo arthroscopic surgery.

There is still no timeline defined for the intervention, I do not know either what doctor will do it, but the thing is I must to do this. I was explained that they have to clean the area where the scar is and bring the ligament to its normal size for it not to bother any more. Today, the ankle doesn’t hurt when I walk, but it does when I jump or run. On these cases, the rehab period it’s from six to eight weeks, but I don’t know if on the eight week I’ll be ready to start playing or simply start training. I have the impression that I will make it for the season opener or maybe lose the first few games.

Apart from this situation I am in peace, I knew what was in stake; the plan was to be part of the Olympic Games and then, if I had any sort of pain, I would need to get surgery. It is not a surprise, and it is not that today I am saying “Uh I never thought I’d get an arthroscopic intervention!”

I know that a lot was talked about the subject, but I ma sure of what I did, because it wasn’t an unilateral decision, it is something that it was talked with San Antonio Spurs coaching staff. I would make that same decision of going to Beijing again. I understand the frustration; I understand that is possible that I miss some matches. But being part of the Olympic Games is very important for any athlete. In my case, it made me more mature than what I was, it offered another life experience and I always felt I had to do it. Any athlete that has the possibility of experiencing an Olympic Game shouldn’t refuse it. There are some people who will understand and some other that won’t.

I had the chance to read some columns in a San Antonio communication medium, where I was criticized for my decision of going with the National Team to the games. It’s all good, I respect the journalist that is giving his opinion and who is paid to do such thing. To me, from my part, I have a very well formed opinion. The most important thing is that Gregg Popovich is on the same page with me and he is, at the end of the day my contractor to say it somehow. That’s why I am very confident about the way I proceeded, and I feel backed up by the people in San Antonio.


Sincerely, I was very surprised that Pop picked me up at the San Antonio International airport. I was not expecting it at all because it was 10:30pm, that here is considered very late. But of course I value his gesture, it is a shown of affection and class very important. When this approach with the coach happened I was talking to a group of journalists; he grabbed my arm and said: “let’s go, you have been traveling too much”. We then got into his SUV and talked on a very friendly way. So that’s how things look regarding the Spurs.

About the National Team, even with the happiness that meant that we were able to make it to the podium like in Athens 2004, I would have preferred to stay with the rest of the team a little more to celebrate, be together and then say goodbye. It was painful that we had to run all over the place after the Bronze medal game against Lithuania. We came back to the Village, changed our clothes, grabbed the medal our carry on luggage and then get in the plane right away. I didn’t like it at all, because after being together 60 days we didn’t enjoy of a moment of tranquility, without that responsibility of facing the following day another match. I would have liked to celebrate the medal in Ezeiza with everyone, but for different compromises with the foreign teams it was impossible to keep the while team together.

From the bottom of my heart, I have no idea how my career with the National Team will follow. I didn’t say anything after Athens 2004, nothing after Japan’s 2006 World Cup and I am not saying anything now, but I think that is convenient to separate things. In Japan I commented that my future on the team did not depend if we won gold or end up last in the tournament. This time either; being healthy or not now won’t be defining what I have done for the team on my career with them. Once the time arrives, it will all be evaluated. Before a big commitment you have to know where you stand physically. Like Pepe Sanchez did, he didn’t say what he would do until the occasion arrived. Then, and from there, he evaluated his physical conditioning and his spirit. I will do the same thing. Even more so I don’t think there is a big necessity to decide nothing right now, there are two years left for Turkey’s World Cup isn’t it?

I don’t think it’s convenient either to give my opinion about Sergio Hernandez, about if he should be or not leading the squad. What he definitively did is a great job. He begun his cycle with lots of doubts form the people and the press. But this Bronze medal gives him lots of credit; it certifies his conditions for the job. Let’s remember that he begun his job with the highest ceiling you could get, he took over a group that came from being Olympic Champion. I think in Beijing, Sergio conducted a great tournament. I insist; if he has to continue or not it’s going to be his decision and the Argentine Confederation one.

I am keeping in my heart also that the team is back at the number 1 position in the FIBA rankings. I don’t know how that stat is being calculated, it’s something huge. It’s incredible to be distinguished as a power house ahead of giants like the United States, Russia, Serbia, Lithuania and Spain. Our team starts renewing and rejuvenating, but I don’t know if the changes ahead will be as dynamic as they’ve been. At the moment we just have to enjoy it.

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Hoo, boy . . .

Manu having surgery? Let the "trade him" whining begin......:rolleyes

I have faith in you Manu! Get well!!! :toast

Goddamn Manu.

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I was not expecting it at all because it was 10:30pm, that here is considered very late. But of course I value his gesture, it is a shown of affection

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Well, the situation sux but better to just bite the bullet and go ahead and get the surgery done now. I dont blame the guy for playing for his home country in the olympics. They grew up there and to play for your national team is an honor that goes beyond your playing years or your professional career. I also know Finley will do a good job while Manu is out. That said, this is the risk of drafting foreign players and maybe Pop and RC will think more carefully on this in the future. We lucked out on Manu and Tony, it may not happen again.

Better it happen now than in December.

Hopefully the surgery will successfully repair the ligaments and with some rehab and conditioning work he can be back to productive in 12 to 14 weeks. If he can't go in November, fine, just get ready for the start of 2009.

:pctoss

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Welcome back Michael Finley, and for those of you Spurs Fans who had no problems with Manu playing in the Olympics. This is what happens when you let a player decide whether or not he plays or sits depending on what the doctor says. (You cant tell me someone didnt have the money to do an MRI on the side, its done for Players Personal Insurance Policys.) And there are still fans out there, who have no problems with TP playing overseas at the moment :lol. Its a no brainer Pop is furious, the FO is upset. This is the future of the San Antonio Spurs, not some country called Argentina or France. Like it or not, but with our current roster, we will live and die from beyond the arc, because now teams only have to stop one penetrator. TP. Someone should Text TP. :wow

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Mrs. Purs, I saw one of your previous posts that mentioned you were in the military prior to your sex change operation. A post like this one has me concerned that perhaps a grenade exploded a bit too close to your head at some point during your time serving our country...because it makes no sense whatsoever. I read it twice and I can't figure out what your point(s) are.

i just want him back at 110% for the playoffs....thats all

shoog why do you think this is bad? Sounds like a pretty simple procedure.

hoping for a speedy recovery. :flag:

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Has he had surgery before?

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Never (in his case is amazing)

I'm fucking sick of Ginobili's antics.

Good. His ankle will be fixed, & he'll come back healthy and well rested. We'll just have to read about it 1,000 times a day from posters who are angrier about the Olympics than Pop, RC, or Holt. He played in the olympics, and it's done with. The Spurs options now are to either move forward constructively, or to cry endlessly and bitterly about a decision that's already been made. They're pretty good at these types of situations-- my guess is they move forward constructively.

Surgery +rehab is always a crap shoot when it comes to estimating recovery time. 6-8 weeks may be right but you always wonder with older guys, and Manu's no spring chicken. September is not when you want to be making these decisions.

Bad news.

Very bad news.

The question of whether it was appropriate to play in the Olimpics is now totally irrelevant.

If the ligament is as bad as requiring a surgery on, the injury he had at the Olimpics would have most likely happened within the first games of the new season.

I seriously wonder whether we will ever see the old Manu again.

He needed this surgery after the playoffs if his ankle is in fact in basically the same condition that it was at the end of the season. To me the issue is that:

1) He could have gotten the surgery in July if he passed on the Olympics and would have been ready to go by November

or

2) He would not have gotten the surgery anyway and could have aggravated the ankle during the season resulting in surgery much later down the road and much more costly to the Spurs.

Depending on how you look at it the Olympics were either a curse or a blessing.

Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.


Anyways...

I had surgery yesterday morning at the surgical center next to the Spurs training center. It's the same place that duncan and me had our knee surgeries around the same time back in 2001. We had the same surgeon. Dr. David Shmidt. Well he was there yesterday, (the dr, he's also the Spurs team Dr) and I over heard a bunch of Docs talking about Ginobili, it wasn't clear what they were saying, but my mother and I DEFINITELY heard Ginobili's name, and I swear this was before my anesthesia was administered. My mom also saw Duncan there at the center, she said he needed a hair cut. She saw him leaving and went out and yelled "we love you Duncan!" and he turned around smiled and waved, then got back on his cell phone. I wonder if Ginobili was there yesterday and Tim was visiting???

I swear all of this is true. And no, my meds ARE NOT making me hallucinate.

Just thought I share this bit of info with y'all. I'm bored at home recovering and I wanted to get an update on Ginobili so I got on Spurstalk and saw the surgery thread and I am now very dissapointed.


P.S. I had torn ligaments and a torn meniscus in my right knee when I was 15 and Dr. Shmidt repaired it. I started rehab at week 3, and was back to normal at 6 weeks. I'm no basketball player, but I was a scrawny 15 year old girl and I healed quickly. Just pray that Ginobili gets it fixed fast, he should be great by January at the latest.

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Originally Posted by lolo21209

Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.


Anyways...

I had surgery yesterday morning at the surgical center next to the Spurs training center. It's the same place that duncan and me had our knee surgeries around the same time back in 2001. We had the same surgeon. Dr. David Shmidt. Well he was there yesterday, (the dr, he's also the Spurs team Dr) and I over heard a bunch of Docs talking about Ginobili, it wasn't clear what they were saying, but my mother and I DEFINITELY heard Ginobili's name, and I swear this was before my anesthesia was administered. My mom also saw Duncan there at the center, she said he needed a hair cut. She saw him leaving and went out and yelled "we love you Duncan!" and he turned around smiled and waved, then got back on his cell phone. I wonder if Ginobili was there yesterday and Tim was visiting???

I swear all of this is true. And no, my meds ARE NOT making me hallucinate.

Just thought I share this bit of info with y'all. I'm bored at home recovering and I wanted to get an update on Ginobili so I got on Spurstalk and saw the surgery thread and I am now very dissapointed.

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So, you're saying you sat on this information for 24 hours and didn't tell us?

:madrun

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My mom also saw Duncan there at the center, she said he needed a hair cut.

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:lol

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So, you're saying you sat on this information for 24 hours and didn't tell us?

:madrun

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I just read the thread today, I was too busy with my own surgery recovery until now!!! Be glad I had the courage to talk to you scary boys!

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i just want him back at 110% for the playoffs....thats all

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Didn't you hear? We aren't suppose to make the playoffs this year! :rolleyes

:depressed I hope you have a speedy recovery.

The ligament was evidently bad before, and it got worse, of course.

In essence, surgery is the last resort.

Don't expect it to solve the problem, though, unless the ligament is given a lot of time to stabilize.

Manu SHOULD not be back before the ASB.

This is my advice to him.

But of course he is Manu and will want to rush things up.....

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I just read the thread today, I was too busy with my own surgery recovery until now!!! Be glad I had the courage to talk to you scary boys!

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Don't be afraid-- it's all bark and no painful bites at Spurstalk. Thanks for the good info.

I broached this idea last year during the offseason and I think it's worth revisiting it now: breaking down Matt Bonner into healthy replacement parts for rotation players.

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Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.
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There are plenty of lovely girls here that talk basketball on this forum. There is no reason for you to not post just because you're a girl! I hope you feel better too! Duncan228 would have just about fainted from seeing Tim Duncan. :lol


But as far as this surgery goes, as a lot of other people have said, better now then December, January, or god forbid, even February. I just hope he comes back and better then ever. It'll be a rough start for us without him, but we're a strong team!

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Originally Posted by lolo21209

Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.


Anyways...

I had surgery yesterday morning at the surgical center next to the Spurs training center. It's the same place that duncan and me had our knee surgeries around the same time back in 2001. We had the same surgeon. Dr. David Shmidt. Well he was there yesterday, (the dr, he's also the Spurs team Dr) and I over heard a bunch of Docs talking about Ginobili, it wasn't clear what they were saying, but my mother and I DEFINITELY heard Ginobili's name, and I swear this was before my anesthesia was administered. My mom also saw Duncan there at the center, she said he needed a hair cut. She saw him leaving and went out and yelled "we love you Duncan!" and he turned around smiled and waved, then got back on his cell phone. I wonder if Ginobili was there yesterday and Tim was visiting???

I swear all of this is true. And no, my meds ARE NOT making me hallucinate.

Just thought I share this bit of info with y'all. I'm bored at home recovering and I wanted to get an update on Ginobili so I got on Spurstalk and saw the surgery thread and I am now very dissapointed.


P.S. I had torn ligaments and a torn meniscus in my right knee when I was 15 and Dr. Shmidt repaired it. I started rehab at week 3, and was back to normal at 6 weeks. I'm no basketball player, but I was a scrawny 15 year old girl and I healed quickly. Just pray that Ginobili gets it fixed fast, he should be great by January at the latest.

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I'm a lady too.....and a Spurs fan...that's why I'm here. :)

And thanks for the information...how exciting to see Timmy!

Get well and welcome! :D

Stick around, lolo21209. Hope you recover soon. Surgery is no fun thing.

here comes the usual string of surgery bookings for the run up to the season. First Monta, now Manu......im just waiting for a Kmart or Nene knee injury :depressed

ligament damange requiring surgery to the foot is not good for a basketball player. He will need 9months to recover fully IMO.

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Originally Posted by lolo21209

We had the same surgeon. Dr. David Shmidt. Well he was there yesterday, (the dr, he's also the Spurs team Dr) and I over heard a bunch of Docs talking about Ginobili, it wasn't clear what they were saying, but my mother and I DEFINITELY heard Ginobili's name, and I swear this was before my anesthesia was administered.

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Wow, talk about a major HIPAA violation by those doctors.

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I broached this idea last year during the offseason and I think it's worth revisiting it now: breaking down Matt Bonner into healthy replacement parts for rotation players.

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:lol
I have a hacksaw in my trunk!

Olympic was not so bad at all because he would have problems with the ankle in the regular season and the ankle could be as bad as last year in the playoffs.
Now IMO he could be better in May and he could be full of energy when all the players are tired.

But now we need the best Finley in the regular season

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!

I've actually waited on Timmy before when I worked at Macaroni Grill on I-10. He came in after the lunch rush on a tuesday around September 2006. He likes to sit in the back where its very dark and private. He was very nice and tipped well. Another time I was at Walmart on I-10 and DeZavala getting groceries after a long day at school and work. I saw a tall guy in line and I got behind him cause he looked hot, then I realized it was Timmy!!! I didn't bother him though because I was afraid to say hello. This was back in March of 05. Other Spurs I have met are Malik Rose, Robert Horry an Beno Udrih(who hit on me when I worked at the OG but I heard he's a BIG player). I also met Tony Parker when I worked at Dillards last spring. He did an autograph signing because he is sponsored by Perry Ellis. I have also sung the Nat'l Anthem for some Spurs games, and even though the staff never gives me a chance to talk to them I get to stand on the court and sing with them right there!!! They're all sasquatches!!! Ok, enough bragging. I just wanted to tell you all that they are all very nice. I really wish I could meet Ginobili, who knows maybe I will this year...


Oh, and thanks for the get well wishes. I had a deviated septum and a hairline fracture on my nasal bone from an old gymnastics injury. I finally had the courage to fix it yesterday. I feel pretty good right now, just bored here at home.

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Wow, talk about a major HIPAA violation by those doctors.

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I guess it was pretty much violated today since I just heard about it on KSAT 12.

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I guess it was pretty much violated today since I just heard about it on KSAT 12.

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Ginobili announced it and KSAT reported it.

It's a whole different situation than overhearing doctors speak about the treatment of a patient of theirs.

Get well soon. We'll see you during Christmas and make the typical Spurs run in early '09.

:lobt2:

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Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!

I've actually waited on Timmy before when I worked at Macaroni Grill on I-10. He came in after the lunch rush on a tuesday around September 2006. He likes to sit in the back where its very dark and private. He was very nice and tipped well. Another time I was at Walmart on I-10 and DeZavala getting groceries after a long day at school and work. I saw a tall guy in line and I got behind him cause he looked hot, then I realized it was Timmy!!! I didn't bother him though because I was afraid to say hello. This was back in March of 05. Other Spurs I have met are Malik Rose, Robert Horry an Beno Udrih(who hit on me when I worked at the OG but I heard he's a BIG player). I also met Tony Parker when I worked at Dillards last spring. He did an autograph signing because he is sponsored by Perry Ellis. I have also sung the Nat'l Anthem for some Spurs games, and even though the staff never gives me a chance to talk to them I get to stand on the court and sing with them right there!!! They're all sasquatches!!! Ok, enough bragging. I just wanted to tell you all that they are all very nice. I really wish I could meet Ginobili, who knows maybe I will this year...

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Well, in one post you just made duncan228, angel_luv, and the various Parker groupies jealous. Pretty soon the scary boys will be the only ones you haven't pissed off.

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Oh, and thanks for the get well wishes. I had a deviated septum and a hairline fracture on my nasal bone from an old gymnastics injury. I finally had the courage to fix it yesterday. I feel pretty good right now, just bored here at home.

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But can you still sing?

Pretty sure for it to be a HIPPA violation it has to be a specific condition that is discussed regarding a specific person. Hearing doctors say Ginobili's name is not what I would consider a HIPPA violation.

Fuck Manu Ginobili for playing for his country, what a bitch.

No, any mention of personal information, even just the name, is a violation.

Spurstalk should send some members over to that clinic just to sit and wait for the news...cool story by LoLo :D

As a Laker fan still waiting for Bynum's return in 4 weeks, then 6 weeks, then next month then Playoffs, then "next season", I know how y'all feel...it's going to be tough watching him in a suit on the sidelines.

Hopefully Manu gets better quick, I'd never wish an injury on any player but maybe Bonner can donate an ankle to Manu?

The Spurs are in BIG trouble! They will be lucky to make the playoffs now.

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What a pussy.

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What about Rip Hamilton 3 broken noses what a pussy..:toast

I just hope he will be 100% again. I would prefer a surgery if he becomes totally healthy again to a situation where he does not do surgery but is in constant pain. If they do it to repair it I am totally fine with it. I also hope it does not take longer than 2 months. In this western conference the Spurs will need Manu...

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Ginobili announced it and KSAT reported it.

It's a whole different situation than overhearing doctors speak about the treatment of a patient of theirs.

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:lol

Man chill out..

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The Spurs are in BIG trouble! They will be lucky to make the playoffs now.

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NEVER underestimate the Spurs! :hat

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Originally Posted by lolo21209

Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.


Anyways...

I had surgery yesterday morning at the surgical center next to the Spurs training center. It's the same place that duncan and me had our knee surgeries around the same time back in 2001. We had the same surgeon. Dr. David Shmidt. Well he was there yesterday, (the dr, he's also the Spurs team Dr) and I over heard a bunch of Docs talking about Ginobili, it wasn't clear what they were saying, but my mother and I DEFINITELY heard Ginobili's name, and I swear this was before my anesthesia was administered. My mom also saw Duncan there at the center, she said he needed a hair cut. She saw him leaving and went out and yelled "we love you Duncan!" and he turned around smiled and waved, then got back on his cell phone. I wonder if Ginobili was there yesterday and Tim was visiting???

I swear all of this is true. And no, my meds ARE NOT making me hallucinate.

Just thought I share this bit of info with y'all. I'm bored at home recovering and I wanted to get an update on Ginobili so I got on Spurstalk and saw the surgery thread and I am now very dissapointed.


P.S. I had torn ligaments and a torn meniscus in my right knee when I was 15 and Dr. Shmidt repaired it. I started rehab at week 3, and was back to normal at 6 weeks. I'm no basketball player, but I was a scrawny 15 year old girl and I healed quickly. Just pray that Ginobili gets it fixed fast, he should be great by January at the latest.

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Highly unlikely that Duncan was visiting Manu. These are not teen girls. What it more likely means is that Duncan will probably require surgery too for some yet unpublished malady. That would really complete a Spurs clusterfuck.

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Trade the fucker! Who wants to worry about his shit anymore...

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and get what for him?

Nothing?

Yeah thats smart.

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Highly unlikely that Duncan was visiting Manu. These are not teen girls. What it more likely means is that Duncan will probably require surgery too for some yet unpublished malady. That would really complete a Spurs clusterfuck.

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Uh the Spurs guys like Duncan, Bowen, Ginobili are all pretty close.

Quit with the melodrama.

We reported this first than any other news source in the US :tu

props to TMTTRIO for the La Nacion Article

hey your the one to give us a really good translation of it rather than that google gibberish stuff :).

His ankle could be going the Grant Hill route.

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His ankle could be going the Grant Hill route.

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See as Grant Hill had continuing fractures and Ginobili just has a ligament getting fixed, that would be 100% wrong.

He Shoog if your there, what kind of surgery is this, and what exactly would they be doing?

I have a felling that Manu as we knew him is no more, surgery or not.

8 weeks seems a little short...I'm thinking closer to Christmas time.

Whatever the case may be, I hope we can stay in pretty good shape standings-wise so that he doesn't force himself back to soon because he feels we need him. That is probably my biggest worry in all of this.

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Highly unlikely that Duncan was visiting Manu. These are not teen girls. What it more likely means is that Duncan will probably require surgery too for some yet unpublished malady. That would really complete a Spurs clusterfuck.

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Whoa. Are you writing from inside of your Panic Room? Are the locks secure? Do you have a one year supply of powdered milk and beef jerky?!

It's strange that you think of visiting a friend in the hospital as the characteristic of a teenaged girl...

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I have a felling that Manu as we knew him is no more, surgery or not.

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You should be more in touch with your brain, and less with your fellings.

You can't trade him now of course. He's got no value.

I think he needed to have this after the playoffs and just sat on it so he could play. Fine, Manu did what he had to do for his personal glory. Just because it doesn't involve money doesn't mean its a noble decision. But whatever. I think its was a really stupid decision to play but if I was Argentinian maybe I'd think otherwise.

Whatever, as a Spurs fan I'm pissed at Manu. Hopefully he can recover sometime before 2009. I'm not buying this 6-8 week bullshit. Manu has never been one to recover quickly.

This is absolutely fantastic news. If Ginobili had not played in the Olympics he would not have realized that he needed surgery. We would have rolled into playoff time and would have lost him again or sometime late in the year. Now that he is having the surgery we will have a fresh and physically fit Ginobili for the second half of the season.

This also allows for Udoka and Mason to see major minutes. Look for Mason to have a green light and light up a few scoreboards. Just when they are peaking we will be able to toss Manu back into the mix. That 5th ring just may be on its way.

We're doomed! Trade Manu! Fire Pop! Let's hope Timmy doesn't retire early! Let's trade Vaughn and Bonner for LeBron! Can we get DRob to come out of retirement?

Spurs fans suck! We might struggle early but we'll be right in the thick of it by the end of the season. Let's all calm down....don't forget that we have :lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt: because this organization knows what it's doing...

:lol at people trying to rationalize that if he hadn't gone to the Olympics he wouldn't be getting the surgery.

Dream on. Spurs' doctors would have examined him 3-4 weeks ago, realized that the ankle wasn't getting better, and done the surgery then, and things would be a month ahead of where they are now.

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He Shoog if your there, what kind of surgery is this, and what exactly would they be doing?

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Not my field.

he is going to be out atleast tell dec

pop is going to make sure manu is healthy



doctors could have suggested surgery but manu could have said no that is not an option I want to play in summer games

I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS A FACT THOUGH


good to get the knife and get well
manu will have to obey now with surgery

Shane Battier for Manu?
maybe we (rockets) will throw in something RC will really like, ca$$$$h?

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You can't trade him now of course. He's got no value.

I think he needed to have this after the playoffs and just sat on it so he could play. Fine, Manu did what he had to do for his personal glory. Just because it doesn't involve money doesn't mean its a noble decision. But whatever. I think its was a really stupid decision to play but if I was Argentinian maybe I'd think otherwise.

Whatever, as a Spurs fan I'm pissed at Manu. Hopefully he can recover sometime before 2009. I'm not buying this 6-8 week bullshit. Manu has never been one to recover quickly.

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:lol at people trying to rationalize that if he hadn't gone to the Olympics he wouldn't be getting the surgery.

Dream on. Spurs' doctors would have examined him 3-4 weeks ago, realized that the ankle wasn't getting better, and done the surgery then, and things would be a month ahead of where they are now.

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He could've had the surgery back in June and been ahead of schedule.

I believe that they were willing to wait a little to see if he could go without surgery. If he definitely needed the surgery in June, then they would never have cleared him for the Olympics.

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I believe that they were willing to wait a little to see if he could go without surgery. If he definitely needed the surgery in June, then they would never have cleared him for the Olympics.

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I'm not sure we'll ever know, but I think its possible they saw surgery as a pretty good possibility back then. They would have gained nothing but telling that to people on the outside though, so why release it?

It doesn't make much sense otherwise. Everything we heard that his ankle was looking bad and it was staying that way. Then what was it, 2 weeks before Manu was going it all of a sudden looked good? Then this happens? I'm pretty sure it never looked good.

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:lol at people trying to rationalize that if he hadn't gone to the Olympics he wouldn't be getting the surgery.

Dream on. Spurs' doctors would have examined him 3-4 weeks ago, realized that the ankle wasn't getting better, and done the surgery then, and things would be a month ahead of where they are now.

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:lol at people who think that Manu would have had the surgery any earlier when this problem has been going on for 2-3 years.

You High?..

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Well, in one post you just made duncan228, angel_luv, and the various Parker groupies jealous. Pretty soon the scary boys will be the only ones you haven't pissed off.

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Nah. I am happy for her.


Welcome, Lolo.

Wait till you meet Manu. He is so nice. :)

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I believe that they were willing to wait a little to see if he could go without surgery. If he definitely needed the surgery in June, then they would never have cleared him for the Olympics.

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Wouldn't it have depended on whether or not they thought he could hurt his ankle further? It sounds more like nagging inflammation than severe structural damage.

But yeah, I don't buy that the Olympics were good for Manu because now he can get the surgery out of the way. The Spurs would have kept updated on the injury and would have gone ahead with the surgery at some point. Latest would have probably been early July.

As a Spurs fan, this situation pretty much sucks. I understand why Manu played in the Olympics and I'm not pissed at him -- but then again, he didn't have the Spurs' best interest in mind at all. His recent article makes me question how much he cares at all about the upcoming season. Manu said he was sad that he couldn't stick around and enjoy China more with his teammates. Um yeah that is great and all but you have an ankle injury that you haven't had an MRI on and your employers who are paying $10M need to see it.

Pop will no doubt delay Manu's comeback as long as possible. As long as the Spurs are winning at a decent clip, there shouldn't be a rush to bring him back.

When Manu comes back, hopefully he is not only physically healthy but mentally totally into the Spurs. He seems like he's Argentina mode right now but the Spurs will need him to be as dedicated as ever to pull out a fifth championship.

Bottomline is I'd never trade Manu and as always I'm very happy he's on the Spurs, but looking at this situation as a Spurs fan rather than a Manu fan, I have to say it is all one big cluster of disappointment.

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:lol at people who think that Manu would have had the surgery any earlier when this problem has been going on for 2-3 years.

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Link?

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:lol at people who think that Manu would have had the surgery any earlier when this problem has been going on for 2-3 years.

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Really? So then why didn't they do surgery 2-3 years ago?

It's gonna be early in the season, so it won't be that bad. I was hoping Manu would have the chance to rest anyway during that time, and hopefully he'll come back even better and less likely to re-injure it. The only problem would be getting him into game shape when he does come back, but he would have plenty of time for that.

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I'm pretty sure it never looked good.

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it seems you didn;t see anything of the Olympics despite starting all those threads...

leading Scorer until he went down and assists leader for the 4 first games... monster dunks... speed was back.... yeah he could have played like this against the lakers then and he baked the series on purpose is what it'd mean if what you say is true... :pop:

This is just so upsettig as a Spurs fan. I will never question his reasoning behind playing for his country, but this is just terrible news. Manny is right to a certain degree. Manu is not a quick healer and I am worried that it might be a bit longer recovery than is being let on. I hope he gets well and can get back, this is going to have to be a massive group effort from many players to keep the Spurs in contention.

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but then again, he didn't have the Spurs' best interest in mind at all. His recent article makes me question how much he cares at all about the upcoming season. Manu said he was sad that he couldn't stick around and enjoy China more with his teammates. Um yeah that is great and all but you have an ankle injury that you haven't had an MRI on and your employers who are paying $10M need to see it.

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I've been saying that about his lack dedication to the Spurs and I got ripped to shreds about it.

Oh and for the love of basketball gods Pop, please start Roger Mason over Michael Finley while Manu is out.

Please?

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Surgery +rehab is always a crap shoot when it comes to estimating recovery time. 6-8 weeks may be right but you always wonder with older guys, and Manu's no spring chicken. September is not when you want to be making these decisions.

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I hear what you're saying, but it's Manu. This was bound to happen with the way he's constantly sacrificing his body.
It's better it happens now than halfway through the season. No?

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it seems you didn;t see anything of the Olympics despite starting all those threads...

leading Scorer until he went down and assists leader for the 4 first games... monster dunks... speed was back.... yeah he could have played like this against the lakers then and he baked the series on purpose is what it'd mean if what you say is true... :pop:

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He also had months of rest before that. Don't you think I thought about that before I posted?

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I broached this idea last year during the offseason and I think it's worth revisiting it now: breaking down Matt Bonner into healthy replacement parts for rotation players.

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:( Now that is NOT nice. Where is easjer, anyway?

Is anyone else waiting on some good news this offseason. Hell, I can even live witht the typical no news. But the bad news is killing me right now.

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Wouldn't it have depended on whether or not they thought he could hurt his ankle further? It sounds more like nagging inflammation than severe structural damage.

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this doesn't prove they would have gone with surgery instead of the treatment he had.. he could have injured in the pre season and the results would be worse than having him go over surgery now

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But yeah, I don't buy that the Olympics were good for Manu because now he can get the surgery out of the way. The Spurs would have kept updated on the injury and would have gone ahead with the surgery at some point. Latest would have probably been early July.

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The following MRI's he had early July showed the ligament way smaller so this is BS

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As a Spurs fan, this situation pretty much sucks. I understand why Manu played in the Olympics and I'm not pissed at him -- but then again, he didn't have the Spurs' best interest in mind at all. His recent article makes me question how much he cares at all about the upcoming season. Manu said he was sad that he couldn't stick around and enjoy China more with his teammates. Um yeah that is great and all but you have an ankle injury that you haven't had an MRI on and your employers who are paying $10M need to see it.

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:lmao at Drama and the Harvey like feelings... you should proofread when he says that the Spurs agreed with his offseason plans. and THEY pay the money not you or any citizen of the city of SAT with taxes... you just have to get over it

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Pop will no doubt delay Manu's comeback as long as possible. As long as the Spurs are winning at a decent clip, there shouldn't be a rush to bring him back.

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Blessing in disguise... Mason could turn out to be a stud and he'll get plenty of minutes to learn the system :tu

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When Manu comes back, hopefully he is not only physically healthy but mentally totally into the Spurs. He seems like he's Argentina mode right now but the Spurs will need him to be as dedicated as ever to pull out a fifth championship.

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He wants it as badly as you do... you have to believe in that... he never made you think the opposite, no proof of that and i think you're kinds jealous of the chemistry he has with the NT

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Bottomline is I'd never trade Manu and as always I'm very happy he's on the Spurs, but looking at this situation as a Spurs fan rather than a Manu fan, I have to say it is all one big cluster of disappointment.

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We all are sad... but as it was seen last season we need him healthy to win it all... and there is no proof he wouldn't have gone down anyway without playing the Olympics so get a Pop kinda attitude and embrace him again

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Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.

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Welcome to the board lolo21209, the more girls the better. And if you hadn't told them you were a girl they may never have figured it out. Trust me.

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There are plenty of lovely girls here that talk basketball on this forum. There is no reason for you to not post just because you're a girl! I hope you feel better too! Duncan228 would have just about fainted from seeing Tim Duncan. :lol

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Just about fainted? I think it's pretty clear that fainting would have been in order.

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Well, in one post you just made duncan228, angel_luv, and the various Parker groupies jealous. Pretty soon the scary boys will be the only ones you haven't pissed off.

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:lol I don't know if I'm jealous or not. The whole thought of actually being that close to Duncan freaks me out. I think I do better at a safe distance.

As for Manu, it is what it is. I'm glad it's being taken care of now, he'll have plenty of time to rehab before the meat of the season. There's nothing to be gained by rehashing whether he should have played in the Olympics or not. It's done. I hope the surgery is successful and he recovers fully.

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The following MRI's he had early July showed the ligament way smaller so this is BS

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That's a lie. Link or STFU.

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:lmao at Drama and the Harvey like feelings... you should proofread when he says that the Spurs agreed with his offseason plans. and THEY pay the money not you or any citizen of the city of SAT with taxes... you just have to get over it

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Link to where I said the Spurs didn't approve.

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He wants it as badly as you do... you have to believe in that... he never made you think the opposite, no proof of that and i think you're kinds jealous of the chemistry he has with the NT

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WTF? I'm jealous of what now?

Manu Fan can be so damn annoying/stupid/arrogant it's amazing. Worst sect of "Spurs fans" in Spurs history.

I think gino would have had to have the surgery eventually, he just was not right in that lakers series. Remember, even up to the olympics, he was taking along time to recover and their was doubt if he would play..if it was a normal spained ankle, he would have been ok in two months rest. I still dont know what play he hurt it, everyoen says game one vs. the suns, but if you see his final score in double ot, he looked ok to me...who knows..either way, he will be ready for the season, could have been worse. everyone needs to get over he hurt himself in the olympics, it was an old injury that would have flarred up anyways, seems to me the olympics are a blessing in disguise.