Surgery Will Cost Ginobili Months, Not Weeks

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08-31-2008
tp2021

Re: Surgery Will Cost Ginobili Months, Not Weeks

I hope he doesn't pull a last-season-horry.
08-31-2008
K-State Spur

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Manu's not going to play a whole season - we all know that.

Might as well get his injury time out of the way early and hope that we have a 100% Manu when he returns for the first time since last fall.
08-31-2008
ducks

Re: Surgery Will Cost Ginobili Months, Not Weeks

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Ginobili missing half the regular season would be a disaster.

Last year, Spurs were only 8 losses away from being out of the playoffs. Spurs suffered some injuries form the big 3 but it wasn't major ones.
Spurs' old rotation players will be one year older and new additions are mostly huge question marks. So if Manu is out for 40 games there is a quite significant chance to see Spurs missing the playoffs.

I don't want to be the doomsday guy but you have to face the reality. The west is very good and after a quite poor off season, making the playoffs isn't a lock for a Manuless aging Spurs team.

Anyway, Manu will have his surgery this week. We will know then what the timetable will be instead of the wild guesses made today.

spurs got younger

mason is younger

tp and duncan are still young

spurs also have trainging camp knowing manu is out

should help ones trying to make team play better
08-31-2008
Whisky Dog

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I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs as an 8 seed or miss the playoffs if the west doesn't regress this year. I just don't like the makeup of this team, especially without Manu.
08-31-2008
ducks

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spurs will make playoffs with a all star and finals mvp player tp
and an allstar player named duncan and finals mvp

lower playoff teams are not more talented then spurs without manu
08-31-2008
Kori Ellis

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Ginobili missing half the regular season would be a disaster. ....

Parker missed a month of the season last year, and was hurting for a month before that. So they had injuries to contend with last season too.

If Manu's back by mid-January, I say the Spurs will be fine. If it goes longer than that, they'll be in trouble. They probably just don't have enough scoring without him, unless Mason really turns up his game.
08-31-2008
romad_20

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i personally am encouraged by this. The only way for Manu to get healthy is for him to have surgery and not play. If he didn't have the surgery, we'd all be on ankle watch for the season. He probably should have had this done immediately after the playoff but getting a healthy Manu in Jan, tune up in Feb and Mar and be ready to go for April, May June is fine by me.
08-31-2008
Spooky

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Originally Posted by urunobili

Time enough for Mason to pick it up with us... he has a golden opportunity to show what he is about...

:tu
08-31-2008
T Park

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Originally Posted by Whisky Dog

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs as an 8 seed or miss the playoffs if the west doesn't regress this year. I just don't like the makeup of this team, especially without Manu.

:lol
08-31-2008
Ronaldo McDonald

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Originally Posted by T Park

:lol

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it really isn't that hard to believe. I don't agree with it, nor do I think it will happen, but it's certainly in the realm of possibility, and so therefore wouldn't surprise me. Portland will be another team in the mix this year, and so will the Clippers. That adds two legit teams to a conference that had its first place team 5 games ahead of its last place team. The Spurs don't have much room for error.
08-31-2008
Whisky Dog

Re: Surgery Will Cost Ginobili Months, Not Weeks

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Originally Posted by T Park

:lol

If the west doesn't regress, as I stated, then the Spurs potentially have only a few wins differential from last season keeping them out of the playoffs. If the west has actually improved then there is no room to be worse, and the Spurs minus Manu for half a season or more are definitely worse.
08-31-2008
ducks

Re: Surgery Will Cost Ginobili Months, Not Weeks

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Originally Posted by Ronaldo McDonald

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it really isn't that hard to believe. I don't agree with it, nor do I think it will happen, but it's certainly in the realm of possibility, and so therefore wouldn't surprise me. Portland will be another team in the mix this year, and so will the Clippers. That adds two legit teams to a conference that had its first place team 5 games ahead of its last place team. The Spurs don't have much room for error.

portland is not better then spurs without manu
08-31-2008
romad_20

Re: Surgery Will Cost Ginobili Months, Not Weeks

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Originally Posted by Ronaldo McDonald

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it really isn't that hard to believe. I don't agree with it, nor do I think it will happen, but it's certainly in the realm of possibility, and so therefore wouldn't surprise me. Portland will be another team in the mix this year, and so will the Clippers. That adds two legit teams to a conference that had its first place team 5 games ahead of its last place team. The Spurs don't have much room for error.

The clippers? Seriously? :lol
09-01-2008
TheMadHatter

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Definitely going to get a lot of flak for this but I really think the Spurs are going to do worse tha ppl are expecting next season. With Manu being out they will struggle mightily and there is no way Pop can just ride Duncan all season and expect them to have anything left in the tank. I wouldn't be surprised if they are fighting for a #6-8 seed coming into the playoffs.
09-01-2008
mystargtr34

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Originally Posted by ducks

spurs got younger

mason is younger

tp and duncan are still young

spurs also have trainging camp knowing manu is out

should help ones trying to make team play better

Basically the entire team came back, and their all a year older (most being in their 30's).

One 28 year old coming in doesnt make the Spurs younger.
09-01-2008
Amuseddaysleeper

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I don't know about the Spurs missing the playoffs, doubtful, but they are gonna be a hell of a lot closer to an 8th seed than a 1st seed.
09-01-2008
Brox6

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As long as Manu, TP and TD are healthy and fresh in Playoffs, Playoffs seeds doesn't matter...
09-01-2008
m33p0

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the rest will do him and the team some good provided he gets back in time.
09-01-2008
Manufan909

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does anyone know the avg age of last years 15 man roster? Because this one for sure got younger with Ian and Mason taking over for Barry and Horry, and also Hill taking over for Damon, we got alot younger there, and if Tolliver makes it, that helps too. I bet we got at least 3 yrs younger, which is pretty significant.
09-01-2008
lurker23

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Originally Posted by Manufan909

does anyone know the avg age of last years 15 man roster? Because this one for sure got younger with Ian and Mason taking over for Barry and Horry, and also Hill taking over for Damon, we got alot younger there, and if Tolliver makes it, that helps too. I bet we got at least 3 yrs younger, which is pretty significant.

Here are the average ages from the last 4 seasons (the last one is for last season, even though it says 2006-07 in the title):

http://www.nba.com/news/survey_age_2004.html
http://www.nba.com/news/survey_age_2005.html
http://www.nba.com/news/survey_age_2006.html
http://www.nba.com/news/survey_age_2007.html

I'm not going to go ahead and calculate the average age for this team, especially since I don't know how they do the decimal points, and they might not calculate it until November. However, you do have to remember that even though we got younger with Mason, Hill, and potentially Tolliver or Hairston, everyone else got a year older (Parker, Vaughn, Ginobili, Finley, Bowen, Udoka, Duncan, Mahinmi (was counted on last year's 15 man), Oberto, and Bonner). If you're comparing this November to last November, we lost Horry and Barry, and replaced Elson with Thomas. Stoudamire didn't count for either, and there may have been a rookie or two included in last year's calculations.
09-01-2008
NewJerSpur

Re: Surgery Will Cost Ginobili Months, Not Weeks

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

Manu's not going to play a whole season - we all know that.

Might as well get his injury time out of the way early and hope that we have a 100% Manu when he returns for the first time since last fall.

Agreed. Although being short-handed to start any season is always less than ideal, this may be a blessing in disguise. I'd rather Manu have surgery, rest and rehab early than have him go into the season worn down while his ankle teeters on the brink. This also forces guys like Udoka, in his second year, and the newbie Mason play larger roles early on which may play major dividends during the playoff run. Mason has already had practice filling in for an injured starter. Time to see what the new role players have to contribute.
09-01-2008
Biernutz

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The Spurs wanted Manu to rest all summer so would that cure the problem? Would the resting the ankle guarantee that with the grind of the NBA season he wouldn't see this same thing at the end of next season? Maybe its just as well to get it over with now and he will be back for when the real season starts after the all-star split.
09-01-2008
ducks

Re: Surgery Will Cost Ginobili Months, Not Weeks

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Originally Posted by Biernutz

The Spurs wanted Manu to rest all summer so would that cure the problem? Would the resting the ankle guarantee that with the grind of the NBA season he wouldn't see this same thing at the end of next season? Maybe its just as well to get it over with now and he will be back for when the real season starts after the all-star split.

it would guarantee more spurstalk.com posters would be happier with him
09-02-2008
Manufan909

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Cuz we're SOOOO important.

I'm not going into averages per se, but if everyone from the end of the year added 1 yr, that would mean 10-13 years. But Tolliver(just a guess, he might not make it), is ten years younger than Horry was, Hill is 9-14 years younger than Damon, and Mason is 8 yrs younger than Barry, I think it's safe to say we got younger. And the active roster(for the 1sst month at least) will be younger still, with a certain 31 yr old out.

Again, I'm just guesstimating, so if anyone wants to actually calculate and call me then fine, it's not too big of a deal anyways.

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