Charley Rosen: Spurs are in a tough spot with Ginobili

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Failing this, the Spurs would be advised to stand pat, hope that their elder statesmen can squeeze out another quality season (1), that Ginobili's rehab will be successful (2) and that Roger Mason is a big surprise(3).

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1. TD quality season - check (I think he'll be very solid until 35 or 36 due to his smart, ground-bound game);
2. Doctors are pretty good these days, and Pop won't rush him back, which will...
3. ...open up time for Mason to shine, and I think he will! Guy can flat out score and is active all over the court.

If only we'd signed someone better to take over Finley's role, I'd be over the moon. He is the weakest link. Hell, Mo Evans would've done, or a young up and comer. Anyway...

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Originally Posted by Whisky Dog

talent and age wise would be a great trade for the Spurs. Not so good for the Hawks, who don't want an old Manu even though he put up 26 straight on them...

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So far your words are the only realistic ones. It would be the Hawks that would get screwed in this deal. And for those who think Manu still has another 3 yrs left in him :lol, think again. Wake up and realize Manu was thinking of Manu when he decided to keep playing basketball with an injured ankle. He wasnt thinking of his NBA teammates, he wasnt thinking of the Spurs Fans, and he surely wasnt thinking about Pop's advice. Manu is just like Joe, its about Manu and no one else. So go ahead and pull out your highschool Pom Poms and cheer Manu on. I am Spurs first, if it takes a trade to make the Spurs better, then whats the delay? :wow

I wouldn't advocate trading Manu, but if he were to be traded, getting back Joe Johnson would be pretty awesome. :tu

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Originally Posted by mrspurs

And for those who think Manu still has another 3 yrs left in him :lol, think again.

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Without qualification, that is a very bold and careless statement. We don't really know how the corrective action and healing process will leave Manu. Your statement is wildly pessimistic. Dan Majerle comes to mind.

No team would want to trade their star player for a player going into a surgery, or just healing from surgery. They would want to see what the success of the surgery is first. If the surgery is successful, most people in here that are currently thinking trade would then be saying "no way we trade Manu".

Manu is one of the truly great and entertaining players to ever play in the NBA. I'm pulling for him to recover. For me, he's one of the special talents that makes the NBA fun to watch after all these years of watching basketball.

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

ughh. the plays that manu couldn't make because of his ankle are the plays that Johnson can't make on any night.

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manu can not make any plays when he is hurt and not hardly on back to back nights and not if he has to play mor ethen 30 minutes a night

not saying I would pull the trigger though

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Without qualification, that is a very bold and careless statement. We don't really know how the corrective action and healing process will leave Manu. Your statement is wildly pessimistic. Dan Majerle comes to mind.

No team would want to trade their star player for a player going into a surgery, or just healing from surgery. They would want to see what the success of the surgery is first. If the surgery is successful, most people in here that are currently thinking trade would then be saying "no way we trade Manu".

Manu is one of the truly great and entertaining players to ever play in the NBA. I'm pulling for him to recover. For me, he's one of the special talents that makes the NBA fun to watch after all these years of watching basketball.

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He'll be in his mid 30's in 3 yrs. That alone puts him closer to bench with the Fins. Or perhaps you've not seen Manu's physical decline these past 2 seasons. Perhaps you havnt seen Timmy's decline as well. And by the way, even Bruce got one step slower last season. And Bruce is by far the only player with age the spurs have, who never misses a game. And still their best defender night in and night out. Why does Bruce last so long is simple, because Bruce doesnt play like guys named Manu, Kobe, Dwade etc. And what does a truly great and entertaining player do when he cant play? Nothing. As for Manu of course Ill be pulling for him to recover, Id do that for anyone in harms way. But to pass on a player who can keep this franchise competitive(via a trade) because of what a player has done(the past) and not what he can do in 3 years, is not how our FO thinks. And its not smart business. Like Ive said, best case scenario, is we bite the bullet this season in order to grab a high draft pick next season, to take either Manu or Tim's place. We did it before and got 4 rings. Its that simple. When Drob left, he left it to Timmy. That isnt pessimistic, its a fact.

The Spurs are in a tough spot right now. They're definitely good enough to finish somewhere between 3 and 6 in the West, and that's assuming Ginobili is out until January. But they also appear one or two rotation guys short of championship team. They might be able to pull a rabbit out of hat with a worthwhile Bonner trade, but that's highly unlikely. The boon or bust trade Parker or trade Ginobili suggestions are tiresome and slightly blasphemous, but those two are legit assets.

I have a friend in Portland who keeps telling me that the Spurs should swap Parker for something like Bayless, Outlaw, and Webster. It's not a terrible idea, but I look at that and I think the Spurs might not be any better 1 year after such trade while Portland will definitely be better. You can't imagine the Spurs will get much better offers than that.

If there is a creative trade to be done that will benefit the Spurs, they should pull the trigger. But Ginobili for Johnson is not it. And I'm not convinced there is another one out there.

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Originally Posted by mrspurs

So far your words are the only realistic ones. It would be the Hawks that would get screwed in this deal. And for those who think Manu still has another 3 yrs left in him :lol, think again. Wake up and realize Manu was thinking of Manu when he decided to keep playing basketball with an injured ankle. He wasnt thinking of his NBA teammates, he wasnt thinking of the Spurs Fans, and he surely wasnt thinking about Pop's advice. Manu is just like Joe, its about Manu and no one else. So go ahead and pull out your highschool Pom Poms and cheer Manu on. I am Spurs first, if it takes a trade to make the Spurs better, then whats the delay? :wow

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Uh, Manu was thinking about his country.

LOL Manu has been on the front cover of Yahoo Sports for 3 days now, no one from Team USA or nothing lOL.

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Originally Posted by Big P

Manu is not getting traded...this shit is so retarded.

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No shit Captain Obvious.

It's called speculation and fan opinion. Learn it, use it, be happier in life.

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Originally Posted by mrspurs

But to pass on a player who can keep this franchise competitive(via a trade) because of what a player has done(the past) and not what he can do in 3 years, is not how our FO thinks.

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Actually, the Spurs have tended to ride out the wave with what has been working and only add components of role players to the core. You must be projecting your wishes onto the Spurs' FO.

I don't care what anyone says...I wouldn't trade Manu for any other SG except Kobe Bryant. Manu should be a Spur 4 life.

Some people in here are both crazy and stupid! Trading Manu for Joe freakn Johnson!!!

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Originally Posted by weebo

Some people in here are both crazy and stupid! Trading Manu for Joe freakn Johnson!!!

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Joe Johnson can pick Manu's shoes after practice..

That is a distinction between being great and being good but sadly alot of people in this forum missed the point..

But then again, an unhealthy Manu will guarantee that Spurs will prob not win the championship next season..

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Best case scenario: Tony Parker, Duncan, Bowen + 1 of the guys hold the fort until Manu returns in January. Spurs get Manu back and are ready to roll.

Worst case scenario: TP, Duncan and Bowen carry the team. Mason is a bust and none of the other guys step up. January comes and Manu is ready but the other 3 are pretty tired from carrying the load and come Playoffs, Manu is strong but the other 3 limping at the end of the season and miss the playoffs.

It sounds like you all are hoping for the best case scenario which is understandable and probably the same thing I would do. On the other hand, are you willing to accept the worst case scenario of 1 year of sucking to keep Manu. You'd be much better next year and maybe get a high lotto pick and a rested (no playoff) team.

WTF Joe Johnson?? No f****g way. Next please.

I don't understand all the panic.

Bottom line is your team lost one game to the Lakers (Western Conference Champs, supremely skilled and talented) when you led by 20 and were primed to take the HCA.

If you win that game (and yes, that could have happened, I admit) that series could have gone in your team's favor.

That was with The Beak on one leg.

With a healthy Beak, I don't think it is a reach to say that your team is right behind the Lakers or even with the Lakers as having the best chance to represent the West in the Finals.

The worst thing you could do is make a panic trade, luckily your front office is smarter than most of the nervous nellies posting here so I doubt that will happen.

A San Antonio team with a healthy Beak, Duncan and Parker is dangerous. Very very dangerous. In fact, I would just assume play ANY other team in the playoffs and that includes the Rockets, Jazz or Bugs.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

Best case scenario: Tony Parker, Duncan, Bowen + 1 of the guys hold the fort until Manu returns in January. Spurs get Manu back and are ready to roll.

Worst case scenario: TP, Duncan and Bowen carry the team. Mason is a bust and none of the other guys step up. January comes and Manu is ready but the other 3 are pretty tired from carrying the load and come Playoffs, Manu is strong but the other 3 limping at the end of the season and miss the playoffs.

It sounds like you all are hoping for the best case scenario which is understandable and probably the same thing I would do. On the other hand, are you willing to accept the worst case scenario of 1 year of sucking to keep Manu. You'd be much better next year and maybe get a high lotto pick and a rested (no playoff) team.

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And if we slide in a #8, I feel bad for the #1 seed, cuz they'll be facing a fresh Manu that has just gotten back into form. Someone has to step up, it's statistically improbable that NOONE will partly fill Manu's shoes. Mason looks to have a good chance, and KT and Udoka have had time to adopt the system, so they'll work out. The real question marks are Ian, Hill, Tolliver. I'm not saying they all make it, but they should at least provide energy and athleticism, something the Spurs seriously lacked outside of Manu and Tony. Speaking of TP, I think he can go up a level this year.
I'm just hoping that Masin can step up like he did when Arenas was out, and that both Ian and Hill/Tolliver/Bonner put out 5-12 pts a game and prove new talent can eclipse the seasoned veterans they're replacing. At the very least others will have seroius time to gel with Manu out.