Chalmers, Arthur caught with marijuana at rookie camp

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Originally Posted by T Park

BEcause they don't.

Give up your wrong on this.


BTW, will the haters of the FO take this into consideration?

Probobly not. They will brush it aside like politicians.

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How can you be wrong on something subjective?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I think you would probably take David Lee too, right?

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A bird in the hand mentality. No. with the exception of Ellis (and that is with knowing how he would turn out) I do not think taking Mahinmi was a mistake over any of the aforementioned players. David Lee is a nice player, but not enough to make you second guess taking on a project like Mahinmi imo.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

A bird in the hand mentality. No. with the exception of Ellis (and that is with knowing how he would turn out) I do not think taking Mahinmi was a mistake over any of the aforementioned players. David Lee is a nice player, but not enough to make you second guess taking on a project like Mahinmi imo.

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Really? I'd take Lee in a heartbeat - 9 and 9 and shooting 58 percent from the floor over 200+ games in the league is a good sample size to me. I don't know if Mahnimi will ever be close to that.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Because generally people don't have an issue with someone drink a couple drinks on their own time, as long as they aren't getting drunk and stupid.

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I agree with that, but putting yourself into situations where things can go wrong is not smart. That is my only point. Even if you go out to just grab a glass of wine at the club there is always the chance something goes wrong (fights, wrecks, women...) that could reflect poorly.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I think tlong is confusing talent evaluation (and ignoring economic constraints that can't be ignored) with due diligence. The Spurs have long been reported to undertake long and searching inquiries into the character of potential acquisitions -- that's due diligence.

That the Spurs haven't drafted a contributing player in 7 years is: (1) ignorant of the fact that the Spurs have effectively used draft picks to acquire players who've contributed (Speedy Claxton in 2002-03 was acquired through the trade of a pick and, for whatever it's worth, Beno Udrih was a contributor to an NBA title winner -- both instances of using a draft pick for value in the last 7 years; the jury's out on Mahinmi and Hill, no matter what tlong says; Splitter will likely be a question mark for a while); and (2) involves an entirely different sort of an analysis than the due diligence that goes into character assessments of potential acquisitions.

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Speedy Claxton is the closest thing you have to a valid argument in your post. Of course he was acquired in a trade though.

Udrih didn't contribute squat. In fact he did his best to try and prevent the Spurs from winning a title IIRC.

Mahinmi and Hill are both busts. It may be early for you to make that call, but it isn't for me.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Really? I'd take Lee in a heartbeat - 9 and 9 and shooting 58 percent from the floor over 200+ games in the league is a good sample size to me. I don't know if Mahnimi will ever be close to that.

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I think that Ian can reach that for sure, and if not he will probably be more of an impact defender. Not to say Lee would not help, or that would of been a bad pick. I just think that is Lee's ceiling (give or take a few points). I think that is Ian's middle of the road career. Only time will tell.

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Originally Posted by tlongII

Speedy Claxton is the closest thing you have to a valid argument in your post. Of course he was acquired in a trade though.

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He was acquired in a trade that involved shipping out a draft pick -- a savvy use of a draft pick, one could argue.

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Originally Posted by tlong

Udrih didn't contribute squat. In fact he did his best to try and prevent the Spurs from winning a title IIRC.

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Well, he played 80 games as the primary back-up point for a team that won a title. He was also one of only 8 players to average double-figure minutes in the playoffs for that team, appearing in 21 of its 23 games. He undoubtedly had a poor showing at times and was appropriately benched at nut-cutting time in the Finals, but it's not as if he was just along for the ride with that team.

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Originally Posted by tlong

Mahinmi and Hill are both busts. It may be early for you to make that call, but it isn't for me.

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What have you seen of Mahinmi to make that judgment? Did you spend last year studying D-League games? Are you basing it on something else? If it's just a feel, then you're just pulling things out of your ass. If it's something else, I'd be curious what fount of talent evaluation you've come across to give you such clarity about the future of a kid who's played a total of 23 NBA minutes to this point.

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What have you seen of Mahinmi to make that judgment?

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Pictures on the internet.

But the above things you highlighted are the reason I blocked him.

His stupidity got too annoying.

wgaf, they are both better than the shit the spurs have stoned.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

What have you seen of Mahinmi to make that judgment? Did you spend last year studying D-League games? Are you basing it on something else? If it's just a feel, then you're just pulling things out of your ass. If it's something else, I'd be curious what fount of talent evaluation you've come across to give you such clarity about the future of a kid who's played a total of 23 NBA minutes to this point.

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The Spurs picked Mahinmi in 2005 and he hasn't made the regular roster yet. That is pretty much all you need to know. However, I have seen some video of him playing and he's too small and clumsy to be effective in the NBA.

But you guys can keeping living the lie of your GREAT FO if you want to!

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Originally Posted by tlongII

The Spurs picked Mahinmi in 2005 as he hasn't made the regular roster yet. That is pretty much all you need to know. However, I have seen some video of him playing and he's too small and clumsy to be effective in the NBA.

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Nice simplification.

Even at that, you've completely ignored my point about the difference between talent evaluation and due diligence.

A player can be evaluated as a great talent, but if he's a bad character who can't stay out of trouble, he is generally going to be no good to that team -- Eddie Griffin was a fabulous talent with terrible character issues. Talent evaluation is recognizing that the guy can play; due diligence is discovering that the guy might have other issues that will cost him opportunities to show that talent. There's a difference.

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Originally Posted by tlongII

But you guys can keeping living the lie of your GREAT FO if you want to!

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1977, baby!

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Nice simplification.

Even at that, you've completely ignored my point about the difference between talent evaluation and due diligence.

A player can be evaluated as a great talent, but if he's a bad character who can't stay out of trouble, he is generally going to be no good to that team -- Eddie Griffin was a fabulous talent with terrible character issues. Talent evaluation is recognizing that the guy can play; due diligence is discovering that the guy might have other issues that will cost him opportunities to show that talent. There's a difference.

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IMO, due diligence includes talent evaluation.

i have no problem with weed and wish it were legal, but you're making a horrible argument DPG

1) drinking is legal, but being drunk in public isnt.
2) what you do in front of your boss (or anyone you want to make a good impression on) has nothing to do with what is legal. do you swear in front of your boss? depends on how your boss is right? same with drinking and drugs. you only do that in front of your boss when you KNOW you boss is cool with it.

bottomline, these guys were stupid about it. if you are going to do something illegal, you have to be smart enough to do it without getting caught.

Gino was drafted in 1999 and did not join the Spurs until 2002

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Originally Posted by tlongII

IMO, due diligence includes talent evaluation.

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I'd disagree with that. Teams frequently select players who have great talent but very poor character. Sometimes they express surprise when they find out about the player's character, though they know he can play ball. That would be an example of a significant difference between knowing a guy can play (talent evaluation) and knowing that a guy won't be a problem (due diligence).

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Originally Posted by diego

i have no problem with weed and wish it were legal, but you're making a horrible argument DPG

1) drinking is legal, but being drunk in public isnt.
2) what you do in front of your boss (or anyone you want to make a good impression on) has nothing to do with what is legal. do you swear in front of your boss? depends on how your boss is right? same with drinking and drugs. you only do that in front of your boss when you KNOW you boss is cool with it.

bottomline, these guys were stupid about it. if you are going to do something illegal, you have to be smart enough to do it without getting caught.

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That is my point. You should not do things just because you can, you have to be smart about it. There is a time and place for everything. Going to a drug and alcohol seminar means you should not be partaking in either activity, legal or not. Don't even risk it at that point.

Obviously drinking is legal and weed is not, that is obvious. Like I said though, if you go to a club, generally you are there to drink, and drink quite a bit. Even if you got wasted, called a cab so that you were doing nothing illegal, if your employers new that you were doing that at the seminar there is a chance they would frown upon it.

mahinmi blows

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Originally Posted by tlongII

The Spurs picked Mahinmi in 2005 and he hasn't made the regular roster yet. That is pretty much all you need to know. However, I have seen some video of him playing and he's too small and clumsy to be effective in the NBA.

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http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ian_mahinmi/index.html

He is 6'11 and 230, but he is too small? I guess Amare is too small as well.

Given the solid players we passed on to draft Ian, and time we've spent to develop him, we basically have raised the expectations on him. We very much could have used any of those players mentioned who could begin playing immediately.

In choosing Ian, we basically put our hopes higher than those other players. So if Ian doesn't pan out and isn't a legitimate baller, then I would say we screwed up that draft pick. There's no reason to make a verdict yet, however, he needs to show something when the season starts, otherwise his draft pick just shortened our window.

(And this isn't to slam RC or Pop because Ian was Presti's guy.)

As for Chalmers and Arthur, I'm sure Chase had plenty of stories to tell RC. Either that or CDR got revenge and sold them down the river.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ian_mahinmi/index.html

He is 6'11 and 230, but he is too small? I guess Amare is too small as well.

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Amare would break Mahinmi in half.

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Originally Posted by tlongII

Amare would break Mahinmi in half.

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Ya.

Mahinmi was officially measured at 6-10 and 220 lbs. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ian-Mahinmi-207/

That is too small to play the post in the NBA imo.

Amare is only 20 pounds heavier and Mahinimi looks like he put on a little weight.