Jeff Van Gundy: Ginobili Putting Off Surgery Put Spurs "At A Stark Disadvantage"

WHAT WHAT?! You brought me out brought me out
You started talkin shit and now you fools brought me out
Why you bitches wanna doubt me?
I rep silver and black but home is down south B!

I told you once I don’t rap dog
I’m just the hype man…
But you can choke on my fat log
All this debatin’ is really senseless
After this year you will come to your senses

Bron Bron promised you gold see
But with just three stars we’ll bring the trophy
Yeah it’s true I fuk’d my ankle up
But unless you’ve walked in my shoes…
SHUT YOUR ASS UP!

WHAT WHAT?! You brought me out brought me out
You started talkin shit and now you fools brought me out
Why you bitches wanna doubt me?
I rep silver and black but home is down south B!

PUT ‘EM UP
PUT ‘EM UP

After last year, I will be happy if he sits out the entire first half. Injury or no injury.

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Why you bitches wanna doubt me?
I rep silver and black but home is down south B!

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:lol

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Originally Posted by Hype Man Manu

WHAT WHAT?! You brought me out brought me out
You started talkin shit and now you fools brought me out
Why you bitches wanna doubt me?
I rep silver and black but home is down south B!

I told you once I don’t rap dog
I’m just the hype man…
But you can choke on my fat log
All this debatin’ is really senseless
After this year you will come to your senses

Bron Bron promised you gold see
But with just three stars we’ll bring the trophy
Yeah it’s true I fuk’d my ankle up
But unless you’ve walked in my shoes…
SHUT YOUR ASS UP!

WHAT WHAT?! You brought me out brought me out
You started talkin shit and now you fools brought me out
Why you bitches wanna doubt me?
I rep silver and black but home is down south B!

PUT ‘EM UP
PUT ‘EM UP

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:rollin

Out of curiosity, when was it mentioned that Manu put off surgery to play in the Olympics? I certainly don't remember that.

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Originally Posted by gilmor

Manu will not be in shape for playoffs, that's what JVG meant..

He would not have played enough games for him to be in shape for the grueling demands of playoffs.. which means that he could be a non-factor..

Without Manu, there is no chance of Spurs winning championship.. that's the bottomline..

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he meant that. You're kidding me.

"I'm not one to judge. But it's a fact — Ginobili putting off the inevitable surgery has put his team at a stark disadvantage," Van Gundy says. "He's certainly going to miss a good part of training camp, if not all of it, and he could miss some games."

miss good part of training camp,
miss some games............................................. ......>playoffs!



Hello?:oops

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Out of curiosity, when was it mentioned that Manu put off surgery to play in the Olympics? I certainly don't remember that.

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exactly, but the revisionists are having a field day, and i lost a ton of respect for JVG and all the other columnists pulling shit out of their ass on this subject.


hey ducks, how many times do you have to be told that it is ILLEGAL to put a clause in the contract forbidding participation in the olympics? you're so worried about the spurs, yet you fail to realize that that kind of pressure will only get the spurs in legal trouble

hey tpark, where is that evidence you have proving that manu wouldn't have surgery if he hadnt played in the olympics? or evidence that players that only play in the NBA have healthier careers? or how about, you explain to me why a basketball player with a guaranteed contract shouldnt cash his pay check for sustaining a basketball injury in an official tournament that the player's team's league is obligated to authorize participation in and for which said player had the necessary health insurance?? how exactly did argentina force the poor poor san antonio spurs to give manu a 52M guaranteed contract?

pathetic loser victim mentality, go count your pennies again and see if you can buy yourself a helmet.

and if you dont have enough cash for the helmet, you should go to work in the insurance industry, being the great calculator of risks that you are.

who's manu?



eye keed,
eye keed.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Out of curiosity, when was it mentioned that Manu put off surgery to play in the Olympics? I certainly don't remember that.

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He didn't put off surgery because it was mentioned as the best option just in case of reinjury.

Anyway, i want to punch the doctor who told him in June: "with this injection, you will be fine in two weeks" :ihit

Like others have said, Ginobili didn't exactly put his country over money. He put his country over the Spurs, knowing he'd still get paid. Even if he never earned another cent, he has made more in 10 years than most of us could ever dream of. Please, let's stop painting him as the most selfless person in the world. He's like everyone else; he likes money a lot even if it's not the most important thing on his list.

5/24/00 - Tim Duncan underwent knee surgery then later traveled around Orlando for a possible team-up with Grant Hill and TMac.

TD 2000 stats show 72 double-doubles, just won All-Star MVP...with the help of the Admiral re-signed with the Spurs 8/2/00(whew). 4 titles later he's still here and you know what, 31 yrs old he can still lead this team with a his NEW crew, as always while Manu recuperate.

2000 summer believe me or not was a lot lot more scary, far than this one guys.

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Originally Posted by v2freak

Like others have said, Ginobili didn't exactly put his country over money. He put his country over the Spurs, knowing he'd still get paid. Even if he never earned another cent, he has made more in 10 years than most of us could ever dream of. Please, let's stop painting him as the most selfless person in the world. He's like everyone else; he likes money a lot even if it's not the most important thing on his list.

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Epic Fail:lmao x 1000

You don't know Manu

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Originally Posted by Cherry

He didn't put off surgery because it was mentioned as the best option just in case of reinjury.

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So without the Olympics he probably wouldn't have re-injured it until camp or early in the regular season, which would have meant that he'd have gotten surgery six weeks later, not six weeks earlier.

Hmm. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sure glad he played in the Olympics. Even though I didn't want him to, it turned out as favorably for the Spurs as it possibly could have.

Technically, Manu Ginobili’s ankle injury did not occur in the Olympic semifinal game against the United States. Rather, he merely aggravated a previous injury suffered in the NBA playoffs.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...pe=team_report

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Originally Posted by ducks

Technically, Manu Ginobili’s ankle injury did not occur in the Olympic semifinal game against the United States. Rather, he merely aggravated a previous injury suffered in the NBA playoffs.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...pe=team_report

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So there was no mention of surgery until it was aggravated, and thanks to the Olympics, he aggravated the injury in August instead of in November, allowing him to be healthy for the majority of the upcoming season.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

So there was no mention of surgery until it was aggravated, and thanks to the Olympics, he aggravated the injury in August instead of in November, allowing him to be healthy for the majority of the upcoming season.

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because he refused to have surgery right away
he would not have re=aggravetated it if he had surgery

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

So without the Olympics he probably wouldn't have re-injured it until camp or early in the regular season, which would have meant that he'd have gotten surgery six weeks later, not six weeks earlier.

Hmm. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sure glad he played in the Olympics. Even though I didn't want him to, it turned out as favorably for the Spurs as it possibly could have.

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The ligament in his ankle never got better or worse. If he would have stayed in San Antonio, the Spurs and Manu would have decided he'd have the surgery sometime in July.

Re-injuring the ankle wasn't really what brought on the surgery. The MRI showing the ligament was the same as it was after the season ended was the deciding factor. Even if he would have come to San Antonio after the Olympics without re-injuring his ankle, he would have gone under the knife after they saw the MRI results.

I understand now why some people said Spurs fans is spoiled but intelligent, and a very demanding one....Manu didnt afraid if Spurs stop extension talk, he knows what he's worth. Lots of teams will begging Manu to come to their team. I personally understand and respect his decision to play for his country, its an honour to him and Olympic medal is the biggest achievement an athlete can get because it is measured over the ENTIRE WORLD (I also understand that some people think NBA or US is everything, there is no sport activity outside US). I also understand anger and frustation of Spurs fans who think that Manu put his team to disadvantage. I also want Spurs to win...but if you look at Manu's heart than u should understand (Many people will not give a fuck because all they care is the Championship). THIS TALK IS FUCKING GOING NOWHERE...IT HAPPENED,LETS MOVE ON!!! UNLESS THAT U PUSSIES WANNA STUCK IN THE PAST THEN BE MY GUEST..Im done with this shit

From what I remember the Spurs just wanted to treat his ankle with rest and injections after the playoffs and not surgery right away. He tried all of that and it worked for a while but it just gave out again during the Olympics. They did tell Manu that if the pain came back that surgery would probably be done and so now here we are. By the way here's the treatment plan for this and Manu's pretty much been through it all.

You may be told to rest the ankle for a short time to reduce swelling and pain. A special walking boot or short-leg cast may be recommended to restrict ankle movement for up to four weeks. Mild pain medications and anti-inflammatory medicine, such as ibuprofen, may also be prescribed. An ice pack can also help alleviate swelling and may encourage a faster return of normal ankle movement.
Your doctor may recommend a steroid injection into the painful area. Steroids are strong anti-inflammatory medications. A steroid injection can help relieve irritation and swelling in the soft tissues that are being pinched, reducing their tendency to get pinched.
Your doctor may suggest that you work with a physical therapist to help you regain normal use of your ankle. Patients often progress in a series of exercises including stationary cycling, range of motion, and ankle strengthening.
If nonsurgical treatments do not work, surgery may be recommended. The type of surgery will vary depending on the location and cause of ankle impingement.

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Originally Posted by Cherry

Epic Fail:lmao x 1000

You don't know Manu

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Set aside, for the moment, that my comment definitely wasn't so funny that you should "laugh your ass off a thousand times"; it is neither a compliment nor an insult to suggest that Ginobili is no choir boy. Sorry, but it was clear from the moment he signed the contract that he wanted to live how every NBA player wants to live.

You're right, I don't know Ginobili personally and I am most certainly not a mind reader. I think it is more than fair to say that, out of the comment "he is so patriotic he chose his country over money", we just say "he is really patriotic."

And on a side note, who else is getting tired of this annoying internet argot? "Epic fail" ? "Lolz" ? And the worst one, "pwn"?

whatever

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Originally Posted by timvp

Did Manu have the Spurs' best interest in mind when deciding to play in the Olympics? No.

Did Manu know that playing in the Olympics could result in the Spurs and Spurs fans suffering this coming season? Yes.

Was there any way in hell Manu wasn't going to play in the Olympics? No.

Should the Spurs blame, trade or be mad at Manu? No.

I'm ready to move on from the whole Manu mess. He was going to play in the Olympics no matter if he risked further injury or Spurs losses. He played and got hurt. Oh well. The games must go on.

Regarding Manu, we just have to hope he recovers completely and is ready to peak during the playoffs for the first time since 2005. The Spurs will need him playing his best when it counts for the team to have a chance.

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+1

I don't think anyoe could've said it better. Except maybe ducks...
:lol

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Originally Posted by timvp

The ligament in his ankle never got better or worse. If he would have stayed in San Antonio, the Spurs and Manu would have decided he'd have the surgery sometime in July.

Re-injuring the ankle wasn't really what brought on the surgery. The MRI showing the ligament was the same as it was after the season ended was the deciding factor. Even if he would have come to San Antonio after the Olympics without re-injuring his ankle, he would have gone under the knife after they saw the MRI results.

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This isn't directed at you specifically, but I'm still waiting for some evidence that they would definitely have had the surgery in July. It seems like a rather large assumption. I'm not even sure how one would assume that Manu would have stayed in San Antonio just because it was the offseason.

Since San Antonio isn't the only city in the world with an MRI machine, I'm not sure how there's any excuse for not doing it whenever they wanted. What's Manu going to do, refuse to have one? If everyone knew he was potentially going to need surgery then the Spurs could have sent someone to take Manu to the doctor. It wouldn't have mattered if he was in Hawaii, Buenos Aires or Beijing. If they'd set a timetable to check his ankle a second time, they could have done it. It seems they didn't. I fail to see how that's on Manu.

It would have made the situation a lot simpler if the Spurs had said, "Of course you can go to the Olympics, but we want another MRI on X date, and if there's no improvement then you need to have surgery by Y date."

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Originally Posted by v2freak

Set aside, for the moment, that my comment definitely wasn't so funny that you should "laugh your ass off a thousand times"; it is neither a compliment nor an insult to suggest that Ginobili is no choir boy. Sorry, but it was clear from the moment he signed the contract that he wanted to live how every NBA player wants to live.

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The only thing that was clear is that Manu chose the Spurs because it was the best City, Franchise and organization to play as a team. It was clear that San Antonio is a small market too.

Btw, Manu take his decision and suspended the contract extension in common with the Spurs. Any other Star do the same this days?

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Originally Posted by v2freak

You're right, I don't know Ginobili personally and I am most certainly not a mind reader. I think it is more than fair to say that, out of the comment "he is so patriotic he chose his country over money", we just say "he is really patriotic."

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He's not so pariotic. You have no idea what this team means for him.

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Originally Posted by v2freak

And on a side note, who else is getting tired of this annoying internet argot? "Epic fail" ? "Lolz" ? And the worst one, "pwn"?

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Is annoying only when it becomes against you. I think everybody feels the same.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

This isn't directed at you specifically, but I'm still waiting for some evidence that they would definitely have had the surgery in July. It seems like a rather large assumption. I'm not even sure how one would assume that Manu would have stayed in San Antonio just because it was the offseason.

Since San Antonio isn't the only city in the world with an MRI machine, I'm not sure how there's any excuse for not doing it whenever they wanted. What's Manu going to do, refuse to have one? If everyone knew he was potentially going to need surgery then the Spurs could have sent someone to take Manu to the doctor. It wouldn't have mattered if he was in Hawaii, Buenos Aires or Beijing. If they'd set a timetable to check his ankle a second time, they could have done it. It seems they didn't. I fail to see how that's on Manu.

It would have made the situation a lot simpler if the Spurs had said, "Of course you can go to the Olympics, but we want another MRI on X date, and if there's no improvement then you need to have surgery by Y date."

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I agree with you, and I highly doubt that anyone will provide the evidence you want for it is just speculation they try to present as facts