Well, the last option was supposed to be my "none of the above, " but it is a dismissive option for a good debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
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Well, the last option was supposed to be my "none of the above, " but it is a dismissive option for a good debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Depends on the issue...
Economy: Push
Iraq: McCain
Afghanistan: Obama
Russia: McCain
9/11: Obama
Tiebreaker - Stage Presence. (Who looked more Presidential?) I give this to McCain
McCain did a great job of name dropping and emphasizing his experience. I thought the "Obama just doesn't get it" theme was well utilized until the last few segments where I thought it was probably overutilized.
I guess by the scorecard it would go to McCain but I think they both had a good showing.
Shit, I forgot Iran... I give that to Obama. I'm sorry but I'm completely open to face to face no precondition meetings as a last resort before bombing the shit out of a country.
good civil debate. McCain held his own on the economy and won by a big margin on defense. I was shocked that McCain would do this well and would speak that passionately.
My opinion of Obama went up though. He's a cool cat.
How did McCain look presidential? He didn't make eye contact at all, kept staring down. Obama locked eyes on the camera and McCain both, real important a president can stand off like that.
IRAN: we want to kill all jewsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
US: No you're not
end of discussion. that was good.
I liked that Obama looked directly at McCain but I think McCain's giving Obama the cold shoulder was a debate strategy. When McCain was speaking he was looking at Lehrer.Quote:
Originally Posted by dg7md
It would've been good has it not been hyperbole. McCain was acting like a message board poster on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
That was funny, but even that dialogue is preferable to none at all before war.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Obama
You think they would have stared with the 10,000 or so Jews that live in Iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Who won? Nobody.
Who came away doing what they needed to do? Obama.
McCain needed a game changer. He didn't get it. With Palin coming up it could all be over quick.
McCain wants to kill Iranians by giving them cigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Seriously, the Israel comment by Ahmadinejad is just fucking politics. Yes, politics exists in the Middle East. Nothing will ever happen. Turn your eyes away from Fox noise and you might go one day not fearing for your life.
I think the majority of people decide mostly based upon their feel for the debate and not as much the contents. (see Bush- Gore) I believe the majority will go with Obama because McCain came across as condescending and dismissive. I do not think that tactic worked of trying to act as if Obama did not know what he was talking about when he had just very clearly and intelligently explained his position. I also believe that McCain's unwillingness to look at Obama and looking down so much were bad.
In terms of the big picture, McCain needed a decisive victory and at best he got a tie in the debate that was supposed to be to his strength.
In High Def- McCain looked bad, too. The layers of caked on make-up were too much. It almost looked like a mask.
I think it is interesting that some men would call McCain presidential when I did not think he looked that way at all. It confirmed for me that his temperament is not good for the job. I prefer a quiet strength and I think a lot of other women do, too.
yeah, he's change we can believe in.......we are going communist. believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Blonde
let's fight the power. bring your guns, join me. we'll bring washington down.Quote:
Originally Posted by cool hand
If this was supposed to be McWorse's debate because of foreign policy, it certainly wasn't McWorse domination. For that alone, it was a loss for McOldFart.
Quite the contrary, the majority of polls, focus groups, etc are saying not only did HUSSEIN hold his own, but that he won.
McSicko's total refusal, chickenshit?, to look at HUSSEIN was weird, contrived.
McWorse is totally wooden, unnatural, no style, stringing run-on, often irrelevant shit together, phrase by phrase, as it pops into his feeble brain, rather than "speaking in paragraphs" with a hierarchy of ideas supporting his points.
"you're wrong" is weak. The point is to show why the other is wrong, not simly declare it so.
Yes, there are no serious threats in the world. It's just a peaceful place. Iran would never hurt Israel, they're just joking around. Kinda like Osama was just kidding in the 90's when he declared war on the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynasty
I think it was a draw in my opinion, each threw punches but couldn't put the other away. Hopefully they'll do that on the next debate.
Hopefully, you'll tell us how you became a Pacer fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by pooh
Pooh's a long time Pacers fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Not that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
VERY CLOSE
I'm going to give the edge to obama, didn't like the way mccain kept coming of in a condescending attitude.
As a supporter of neither of these candidates, I thought Obama came off as slightly more presidential. It's tough for me to judge who won the foreign policy debate when I disagree with both.