does anyone have any thoughts about this?........anyone?
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does anyone have any thoughts about this?........anyone?
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I hope he's OK.
He's old and has brain cancer?
Seriously though, he didn't look that great at the convention and he is battling cancer.
He's such a great man. I have full confidence God will look after his soul.
Probably not a good sign. I hope he's gonna be ok but it doesn't sound good at this stage...
Meanwhile, Mary Jo Kopeckne had no comment.
That didn't take long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
you just made somebody's shit list.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
Ted Kennedy is a douche. Fuck him.
I don't like his politics nor his moral's IE the car and the lake, but I don't wish the man ill will.
Meeting him in 1999 was definately a highlight in my life.
It would have been there quicker if I'd of seen the thread sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Guess what Shasta...she's still dead.
dammit whottt, you need to rip this guy a new a-hole. :bangQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
I guess that whole christian idea of forgiveness is lost on you. The man could very well be on his death bed right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Not my place to forgive him for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Just pointing out he let her drown for political reason and never, ever, ever showed any remorse for it.
I pray God redeems his soul but, I'm not going to throw platitudes at the man just because he's dying. We're all dying.
*Waits for Kopeckne to post*
Oh that's right, she's still dead.
He didn't "let her drown" for political reasons. He didn't report it for political reasons. He says he tried to get her out and if you don't believe him then you're just a cynical asshole. But we kinda already knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
MSNBC is reporting that it's not serious, but you know how that goes. They said the same thing about Bernie Mac.
everything is black and white with you :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody
There was a poster here for a while that assumed I was Black. I don't know why he assumed that, but he did. He would say things like, "Just because you're Black, you think...."Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
There's evidence there was enough air trapped in the vehicle for Mary Jo Kopeckne to have lived quit a long time...long enough for Kennedy to call for held and possibly rescue her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
What did I say?Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
So you've seen the police report?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
As a matter of fact, yes. What's that got to do with the discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
You seem to know so much about it. "There's evidence there was enough air trapped in the vehicle for Mary Jo Kopeckne to have lived quit a long time". Got a link to such information?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
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Originally Posted by T Park
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Originally Posted by T Park
What the fuck is wrong with you?
GET HIM!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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Originally Posted by Shastafarian
http://www.ytedk.com/waterlevels2.gif
- Inquest Exhibit # 14 -
- Sketch of Mary Jo Kopechne's position in the accident car prepared under the direction of scuba diver John Farrar.
- Farrar believed that the car initially contained a large pocket of trapped air, represented by the original water level.
Link? I'd like to see how much he "believed" there was a pocket of air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
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Originally Posted by whottt
Hes a high ranking famous senator.
It was a once in a lifetime oppurtunity.
We're sorry this video is no longer available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
There are a hundred of them, a third of whom are up for election every 2 years...meet a more respectable one and cherish the experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0hdhLG0g6AQuote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Try that.
I think the scuba diver testified at inquest that there could have been as much as two hours of air.
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Originally Posted by Yonivore
Hook up the meeting and I would.
I was with a volunteer organization and he supported our organization 1000% and I was happy to meet him.
Hell I was on the steps of the capital building and got to shake his hand and was photographed.
I mean, come on, again, thats a once in a lifetime oppurtunity.
http://www.cdobs.com/archive/our-col...-fortune,1177/
key graf:
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A diver was sent down and discovered Kopechne’s body. At the inquest, the diver, John Farrar, testified that Kopechne’s body was pressed up in the car in the spot where an air bubble had been presumably formed. The inquest said the bubble could have allowed her to breathe for two hours afer the accident. Farrar testified: “Had I received a call within five to ten minutes of trhe accident…and was able as I was the following morning to be at the victim’s side within 25 minutes of receiving the call…there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car.” Kennedy’s dithering, cowardice and emotional paralysis…fear of political retribution…led to the stall, most say.
How could he possibly know? When he found the car it was full of water. Is he basing these thoughts on her position when she was found?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Point is, Kennedy might have saved her life if he had called for help. He decided his political career was more important than Mary Jo Kopeckne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
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Originally Posted by T Park
False...getting in the car with Kennedy is the once in a lifetime opportunity.
Funny, but I have no shame in shaking the hand of a famous senator thats seen as much US History as he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
More like a last in a lifetime opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Why not? Because he didn't do it to you or yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Forgiveness isn't for the transgressor, it's for you. This is something that happened like 40+ years ago to people strange to you, and you still harbor obvious bitterness when you weren't even involved. He was an over privileged kid from a richer family who panicked when he got into a bind. He also never advanced further in politics. Let it go.
What makes you think I'm bitter...I just find it somewhat incredible that people hold this man in high esteem.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
Do you hold George W. Bush in high esteem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Ya see that presents a problem. I'm guessing you think the Iraq War was more than justified but a whole heap of people think we were lied to (WMD's, Saddam's capabilities). Lemme guess. The original "WMD/Saddam is a threat" justification doesn't mean a thing to you. OVer 4,000 US troops have died for what exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
You're right, we don't agree. Feel free to hold George Bush in low esteem and attack him at every turn...you have my permission. Oh wait, you've been doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Carry on.
And comparing the decisions and judgements of the Commander in Chief with those of a drunk who just ran his car into a pond is a bit of a stretch. But, since you have. Find me one person that agrees with Ted Kennedy's decision that night. Yeah.
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Originally Posted by T Park
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False...getting in the car with Kennedy is the once in a lifetime opportunity.
!!! :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
You're right. According to you Kennedy got one person killed that night. Mr. Bush's decisions have gotten over 4,000 americans killed. And I believe this is the only time I've attacked Mr. Bush. "You've been doing that" is a bit of a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
So...why have so many people died in Iraq?
time to anwser some questions
-----God.
:huhQuote:
Originally Posted by clambake