Which will you be happiest about?
By all means...discuss.
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Which will you be happiest about?
By all means...discuss.
The future of the Country that I love.
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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa
And BTW, which country would that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeChalupa
The opposite of nut-case/war-mongering/fuck-America/enrich-the-rich far right is not far left.
Like Paulsen's $700B/7-days/or-else extortionate framing as the only only framing, Whott the fuck's framing is all wrong, nothing but Whott's par for the course.
The slime that HUSSEIN/Congress/America is far left/socialist/communist is nothing but slime.
Nutcase right-wing socialism applies only to the super-rich.
Right-wing free-market capitalism and social/economic Darwinism apply to the non-super-rich dogs eating dogs.
lol sons ... this "JoeChalupa" twat is the definition of a "Obama bandwagon jumper". it was only a few months ago he was bashing Obama bad on here. now he hugs his nuts. you hypocrite you!Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeChalupa
You must have me confused with someone else because while I may have critical of Obama I've never bashed him and my support has never wavered. So I don't know what the twat you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRHornet45
The Country that I've served with honor.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Whott impugning a vet's patriotism, typical right wing slime.
You mean like the time you did the same thing with WC?Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_
Oooopssss... I was scrolling over the options and didn't realize I checked the button.....
Change the adjective to "unhappiest" and my vote stands...
Ooh look! A push poll!
Did you know Obama fathered a black baby in wed-lock?Quote:
Originally Posted by Findog
Far left? 90% of Japan, Europe, and Canada are to the left of Obama.
If Obama is "far left", then McCain is a fascist.
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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
To be honest this country needs a leader like Obama far more than McCain aka Bush 2.0.
Watching the debate last night solidified that in my mind. Obama was very calm and cool and did give praise to McCain where he felt he was right. That's what we need, people who have the capacity to think outside of their parties and acknowledge when good ideas are good ideas. McCain, at least to me, seemed like he would be an extension of Bush's foreign policy and that scares me. We don't need another cowboy, shoot first ask questions laster, President that is recklessly throwing our country into needless wars.
, McCain is going to extend Bush's same foreign policy philosophies of trying to act tough to everyone we disagree with and we're going to end up going alone in
You know, I agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
I just don't like anything else he is in favor of. :depressed
The far left media that made such a huge deal over the lipstick on a pig comment? The right wing loves to deal in myths I guess (see also creationism).
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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa
FTW!
whottt walked right into that one. :lol
I'd be happiest with McCain, but if it's between the other three I think I'd choose a far-left Obama. Congress is so dysfunctional that I don't think they could lead themselves out of a paper bag and the media makes me pull my hair out with their b.s. coverage (I'm down on American journalism as a whole).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
Obama appears to be a reasonable and intelligent person and the best, although still not preferable, of the three options listed above.
My opinion of McCain was actually much better in '00, but maybe I didn't follow his campaign closely enough. I see him now as bitter and irascible when prodded. He was visibly angry during the debate and didn't even have the decency to look Obama in the eye as he was addressing him. I'm sorry that does bother me, and it shows exactly how would treat foreign leaders he disagreed with.
If he can't look at his fellow senators across the aisle how the fuck do you think he's going to broker any sort of peace in this world with countries we don't necessarily agree with?
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Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
Is whottt conceding defeat already?
Isn't this the nutjob who thought McCain had a shot in CA and NY?
As long as Palin is as far from white house as possible.
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Originally Posted by boutons_
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Originally Posted by boutons_
Shut the fuck up boutons.
Um...America has never been a far left country, EVER. So I have difficult time believing that is the country you love.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeChalupa
God you are such a prick.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Stay classy, whot.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
This is like saying, "You stay pure, Paris Hilton".Quote:
Originally Posted by Findog
"Shut the fuck up boutons."
make me, you dickless, fake-macho chickenshit
Or "You stay even-tempered and cool under fire, Senator McCain."Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Seriously, what the fuck is your problem? Are you just petulant because the writing is on the wall?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Barack Obama plays basketball. Charles Barkley plays basketball. Is Charles Barkley qualified to run our economy? He lost millions gambling in Las Vegas. Don't let Barack Obama gamble with our economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by PixelPusher
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Originally Posted by Findog
He's the one trolling behind his service...not me.
But anyway...
State Controlled Media is what makes America great. Right on!
I can just imagine your reaction if some liberal jumped a vet for loving his "right-wing, fascist" America because of his service in Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
You go ahead and imgaine it all you want...after all, I'm the one that uses strawmen right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Findog
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Originally Posted by whottt
Patriotism doesn't belong to any political party or philosophy. It's repugnant to wrap yourself in the flag to attack others.
anyone who votes for mccain should have to ride the short bus to work and take counseling
he came across as so ignorant last night in the debate, got completely owned, and couldn't even make eye contact with obama
And then there are the idiots LEFT behind.
That believe:
1) Any war is a good war.
2) Any media that doesn't reports facts that agree with their myopic views is liberal-biased.
3) Any government regulation is bad (no food safety, no workplace safety, polluted air and water, de-regulated banks).
4) Lobbyists should be appointed where possible to facilitate "bidness."
5) This is a Christian nation and we should have our version of sharia-type laws to govern it by.
So are you conceding defeat whottt?
:lmao for someone so ignorant Obama sure did agree with him...often.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
The fuck it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Findog
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It's repugnant to wrap yourself in the flag to attack others.
It's repugnant to call fear, ambivalence and indifference liberalism.
It was a campaign tactic (not strategy) that I don't think says much of anything about his diplomatic skills. But you're entitled to your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
I'm actually putting little stock in his overall campaigning because he frankly sucks at it (see McCain v2000). Most of the decisions he's made to this point have been to his detriment, yet he still finds himself in the running.
It's because he's a good man who has conviction and votes his conscience regardless of political ramification....that's admirable and voteworthy.
That and I also happen to agree with him on most of his positions.
You can find fault with his appearance or perceived attitude if you'd like though. That's what I love about this country.
A good man yes. No question. Honest intentions, absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
Still I think his approach to foreign policy is fundamentally wrong. By all accounts he is more hawkish than Bush. That approach just doesn't work in the 21st century. We have to work to find common ground, even with our enemies, because pure silence only exacerbates the problem.
I believe Obama will do a better job of repairing our reputation around the world and getting leaders of countries we are in disagreement with to compromise.
What I am going to enjoy is to see the whotts and yonis of the world moan and groan for 8 yrs....
If Obama truly brings the change he has talked about bringing, they won't be the only two.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Oh I know! Stop teasing me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
I think his military background and tough talk on Iran give the perception that he's a hawk, but I'm not sure I'd call him "more hawkish than Bush".Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
In truth, the military actually teaches the use of social, economic and political leverage when dealing with enemies. They also teach about military history and learning lessons from past conflicts. In fact, McCain is intimately familiar with one of the more failed policies of an administration and how it cost the lives of many service men and women.
Given that, I just find it hard to believe he would foolishly rush into a conflict (a la Bush) without considering all available options and the consequences.
But I can certainly see how the perception of the two differs and agree that Obama would probably be viewed by the world as the better diplomat.
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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
Agree also having to drop Reagan's name 3 or 4 times is weak. McCain just kept repeating the same things over and over and his lack of ability to meet with those he may disagree with is not a positive thing. A president has to have the ability to be tough at times but he also has to be more flexible than what McCain showed he would be.
No doubt Obama is the more intelligent man.
i can guarantee you that the u.s's relations with the rest of the world will be so much better if Obama is in office.
The one thing that holds me back on Obama is YOU CAN'T END THE FUCKING WAR NOW.
Mongering retards like whottt got us in there and have left us in a tar pit completely fused to our very skin. We can't get out now.
But having a clueless bitch being one 72 yr old 4 time cancer survivor's heartbeat away from being the commander in chief of the most powerful army on the face of the earth scares the fucking shit out of me.:wow
Take heart, she sees russia from her front porch. we'll be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by sook
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Originally Posted by whottt
Just curious. Do you have the decency or the mental capacity to have a debate online without personally ripping people? How am I supposed to buy your rhetoric about McCain being good for this country when you are willing to go as low as necessary to provoke someone? Is that honest in even the most lenient sense, and do you care? Because if you don't, I'm not sure you deserve any sort of respect. At all.
Now go ahead and scoff, and rip on me. It doesn't change the fact that you act like a prick. Doesn't common decency appeal to you, on some level? I guess when you're comfortable behind your computer it removes you from the need to be kind.
I'm not gonna lie, I was terribly disappointed with the pick because the national security/CINC role is the biggest priority for me....and she's at the bottom of the list by far in my opinion...well below Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by sook
But you're scared enough of the possibility that you'd rather see Obama as the CINC? If so, I guess you and I differ on how big a gap there is between McCain and Obama.
I'm stealing this from another board, but I think it encapsulates the mental state of people like whottt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
http://www.plastic.com/comments.html...3442953;cid=43
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When I listen to conservatives and Republicans talking about what a great pick Palin was — after all, she is anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage, which is all that really counts in a potential President of the United States — I find myself remembering a class in Small Group Interaction from back in 1969.
The teacher gave us a tricky math puzzle, and after we had all attempted to solve it, he told everyone who had the answer "0" to get up and sit in one corner of the room, everyone who had "1" to get up and sit in another corner, everyone who had "6" to sit in a third corner, and everyone who had "12" to sit in the fourth corner. (No one had any other answer.) We then proceeded to debate the correct answer to a math question. Each team picked a debater and each gave arguments for the answer his/her team had picked. At the end of the first debate, anyone who thought s/he had the wrong answer was told to leave his/her group and join the group s/he thought had the right answer. One group disappeared entirely. We then had a second round of debate between the three remaining groups. After the second debate, another group disappeared. We had a third and a fourth round of debate. No one changed sides after the third or fourth debates, and the game was over.
The teacher announced which answer was correct, and the "winning" team cheered and the losing team groused for a bit. But the object of the game was only then revealed. The teacher asked for a show of hands among the team that had the wrong answer: how many had known that their answer was wrong? About a third of the hands went up. The teacher asked the follow-up question: Why didn't you change sides? The answers were what the whole class was actually about. One person refused to switch because he had been on the "0" side from the beginning and didn't want to desert those who had come to agree with him. Another refused to switch because she had a great seat in the front row of her group and wouldn't have gotten as good a seat if she had switched. Another said all his friends were in group "0" and he had no intention of joining the other group and leaving his friends. Still another thought that the "12" group was "arrogant." And so it went, as person after person gave his/her rationale for standing up for a position that s/he knew was wrong.
This class was about a math problem. There was only one correct answer. If apparently extraneous considerations are decisive in determining the correct answer to a math question, how much more do they apply in contexts in which there are arguably more than one correct answer?
It's easier to argue for Sarah Palin's qualifications to serve as Vice President than it is to argue for the wrong answer to a math problem. Many of the people doing it vigorously...probably know that Palin is entirely ignorant when it comes to foreign policy or economic issues, that while she may be a charismatic politician from a small state she couldn't really serve as an effective President if she were called on to do so. But still they argue, for reasons that they will never be called on to reveal in as stark a manner as the students in my Small Group Interaction class were. They stand up with their friends, they stand up for the views of people they think are their allies and/or against the views of people they dislike for any of a range of reasons, they think that favoring their "in-group" against "out-groups" is a moral imperative. Whatever. Palin's interview with Couric was truly a train-wreck, she was not coherent on important issues, and she really doesn't belong in national executive office, and slashing out at people who know these things and say them doesn't really change the facts any.
:wow Very well put findog, I was just mulling this over in my mind earlier today but couldn't put it into words. People will always believe what they want to believe. I guarantee if Osama Bin Laden or Satan were the republican candidates in 2012, there would be some diehard republicans who would still support him. Some people just convince themselves of something even if they are wrong and there's just no reasoning with them.
I didn't write it, which is why I give credit elsewhere, but it pretty much sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
haha sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
I was sitting there baffled thinking why so many people on this site voted for McCain as the winner of the debate in a poll on this site, it was like 50-50. I'm sitting here wondering "how the hell could people seriously think this? Obama massacred him and McCain came off as so ignorant." But this pretty much sums it up and gives me my answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Findog
by the way the cnn poll was something ilke 2/3 in favor of Obama, which seems more accurate. I guess the other 1/3 are just diehard Republicans.
I voted for both of them, because I thought each "won" a certain portion of the debate. No irrationality involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
Did you ever find it odd that McCain couldn't even look at Obama? He was avoiding eye contact for the entire debate, other forums have been buzzing about this all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
Pick up a copy of this month's issue of The Atlantic. McCain can't fucking stand Obama, in a way that goes beyond the normal disdain you have for the guy running against you. He also doesn't respect Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
Being an effective CIC doesn't necessarily mean you have to have years of foreign policy experience. John McCain has plenty yet he still openly supported the blunder that was Iraq. So much for experience eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
I value wisdom over experience, and Obama has plenty of that despite being a little wet behind the ears.
You also gotta remember, not every great president in history was a war hero
As I've said in another thread, it's probably the strongest reason why he's the presidential nominee for the Democratic party (along with the organizing, fundraising, and speaking ability).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
As I've also said before, I commend him for taking that stand (even if he didn't have to cast a vote).
But his first action as CINC will be to begin a phased withdrawal of the troops with disregard for the situation on the ground or in the Iraqi government. To me, that doesn't show the judgement and wisdom he's being applauded for with his stance on the Iraq War.
Instead it seems like a "we never should've gone in the first place so now I'm pulling us out". Only the situation has changed....we're no longer fighting a dictatorial regime. We're fighting the war on terror right there in Iraq, and if we leave now it could be dangerous.
I think Obama is an intelligent, level-headed guy but I don't think he's got the edge on McCain when it comes to leadership experience as commander-in-chief of the armed forces.
I agree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
sincerity Keith Olbermann
Who is Keith Oberlin?Quote:
Originally Posted by Biernutz
Nah, it's not his debate style. You could tell it made him uncomfortable when Lehrer was urging them to basically have a conversation with eachother.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
I don't think he looked at Romney when they went at it in the Republican primary debates either.
True, but it doesn't hurt to have over 20 years of leadership experience, reaching the grade of O-6 and commanding the largest flying squadron in the Navy on your résumé.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
Then to spend much of your time in the Senate on the Foreign Relations committee being briefed on the Middle East, Russia, and China.
That experience has to count for something.
If you read a little bit into the history of Iraq you'll really scratch your head as to why we ever went in there in the first place. It's basically a failed state, the different factions do not get along with one another and as soon as we leave they will be at each other's throats. Saddam Hussein was a bad man, but he was the only thing keeping that country together. Ironically he hated Al Qaeda and Iran with a passion and would never have let them into Iraq in any meaningful way.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
It really doesn't matter when we come home from Iraq. As soon as we leave the probability of the country descending into Civil War is very likely. We will have to face the cold and hard reality that we failed to achieve our goals in Iraq. Let this be a lesson that Democracy cannot be achieved through the barrel of a gun.
This election comes down to what your priorities are as an American? If you feel it's wise to spend $10 billion dollars a month in Iraq trying to achieve goals that most experts believe cannot be reached then vote for John McCain. If you would rather spend that money here at home to fix the problems we have here than Obama is a better fit.
I'm aware that while the Iraqi people resented Saddam Hussein, they were also somewhat reliant on him to keep the peace. So, yes there's work to be done to ensure the government is strong enough to withstand civil uprising and work through it hopefully by themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
If we leave now, we're virtually assured it will fail and the ramifications of that failure are not just political, but also economical and with regard to national security. So I feel it's wise for us to stay until their military is self-sustaining and the situation on the ground is amenable to us leaving.
Besides, conditions on the ground are trending positively and the government is making progress. I sincerely doubt we'll continue to spend $10B/month in Iraq...some of it might move to Afghanistan. Either way, we're fighting the same war against the same enemy.
One final question....
How much of Obama's domestic agenda do you expect will get passed given the $700B of taxpayer money that will likely be committed here in the next few days? Do you think there's a way he carries out his $800B domestic agenda and puts the government $1.5 trillion (with a T) in the hole, while still giving a tax break to 95% of working Americans?
If not, what about Obama are you voting for then?
Okay, technically it was three questions, but they all had the same point. :lol
A Democrat beauty pageant. Please vote for your favorite democrat position.
We are not fighting the same war in Afghanistan that we are fighting in Iraq. That is a fundamentally incorrect statement to make and it shows a profound lack of understanding of the Middle East.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
Furthermore us staying in Iraq does nothing but delay the inevitable. As soon as we leave they will be at each other's throats. These people don't want democracy, when we leave a theocracy will be established and things could potentially be worse than before we ever invaded Iraq. You cannot force democracy on a people that don't want it. It just doesn't work that way. I really suggest you educate yourself on the Iraq war and the history of the area in general, it will open your eyes.
Obama understands this. He understands the world is incredibly nuanced and complicated and we can't just meddle into other countries without understanding the ramifications. You may want a shoot first ask questions later President, but I don't. I want a wise leader.
I'm voting for Obama for so many reasons I cannot list them all here. Education reform, health care reform, investment in science and technology, separation of church and state, and the end of trickle down economics to name a few. We can't afford 4 more years of Bush, don't kid yourself that is exactly what McCain wants to do.
I'll be counting the days until 2012 when the Republicans win back the White House. But first regain control of the house and senate. Until then it will be, "America Held Hostage" circa 1992-2000 all over again.
Depends on the person...and how stupid they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
I haven't personally ripped a single person on this board unless they interjected some personal detain into it. For instance earlier tonight in another thread discussing Iran and Israel a poster brought up his family in offense as if I was supposed ot know his family history something.
On the other hand I have been personally attacked by the libs on this forum...clambake being the primary culprit.
I've also received deathreats for sharing my political views, from liberals.
Death threats.
This isn't a great example but in this very thread you can see boutons encouraging a physical confrontration with me. Challenging me. He's made countless similar statements to me.
While I have never uttered a single threat to him of any kind.
I just give him a dose of his own obnoxiousness.
Doesn't bother you as much because you share many of his views...but he is extremely obnoxious.
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How am I supposed to buy your rhetoric about McCain being good for this country when you are willing to go as low as necessary to provoke someone? Is that honest in even the most lenient sense, and do you care? Because if you don't, I'm not sure you deserve any sort of respect. At all.
Now go ahead and scoff, and rip on me. It doesn't change the fact that you act like a prick. Doesn't common decency appeal to you, on some level? I guess when you're comfortable behind your computer it removes you from the need to be kind.
It's funny that libs get so irate when someone gives them a dose of their own
medicine...
Prior to the Iraq War...I sounded just like most of the libs on this forum. In fact I was one.
What I am, is this guy on this forum that tends to wind up on the conservative side things, that's as obnoxious as most of the liberals are. And you guys can't fucking stand it...it's hilarious.
You want civility...why don't you guys try it yourselves.
That's what is funny about it. Most of the conservatives on this forum are ten times more civil than the libs are...and they don't post near as much propaganda.
If Yoni was a lib he wouldn't even be in the top of the most obnoxious libs...and he gets piled on non-stop by you guys, and he is more civil than most of you...and there's only one of him.
Go ahead and get annoyed...I'm just a reflection of the angry left.
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Originally Posted by pooh
Just be sure to vote...I'm not buying the polls. Obama polled high against Hillary. He had a double digit lead over her in California in polls but got his ass kicked in the actual vote. He's not as popular as the media wants you to believe he is IMO. If he was he wouldn't have barely beaten Hillary.
If he was the media wouldn't have force feed him to the American public the way they do.
And the Democrats are shedding lifelong Democrat voters by the buttload while supposedly pickingn up the silent majority...I don't think the silent majority has gone from electing W to electing Obama, especially with how bad congress sucks...call it a hunch.
oh give us a fucking break whottt. That bullshit isn't going to fly with anyone that's been around here more than two weeks. That's just about all it takes to realize that your debating skills in this forum consist on two parts, you stating your point of view and you insulting anyone that disagrees with it. You're a fucking prick about almost everything to almost everyone. In fact the only person that you have managed to have a long debate with and not insult the living shit out of, that I've seen, is Timvp... I wonder why.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Not only are you a prick, but you're just about the most fucking conceited person in this forum. For fucks sake, you go around telling people who's on your ignore list, why you put them there and what they can do to get out! Newsflash whottt! No one gives a shit!
Yeah there are quite a lot of liberals in this board that are about as obnoxious as you, but you trying to blame your bullshit on them is beyond lame! Especially since you precede most of them here! You're not a reflection of the angry left, you're a reflection of your angry self!
Now go ahead and put me on ignore now whottt, and tell everyone why. I'm sure everyone is itching to find out :rolleyes
Just another angry/obnoxious lib. Don't you know whottt is never wrong?!?!? How dare you question his perception of events!Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
Well now that the civil unrest has mostly quelled, the primary enemy we're facing in Iraq is al-Queda and other terrorist insurgents coming across the border from Iran and Syria. They are the same enemy that we will fight in Afghanistan along with a resurgent regime that propped them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
And I understand your opinion on the inevitability of the democracy failing, but I choose not to embrace it. Iraq as it is presently constructed may not survive in the future, but leaving it in a vulnerable position now virtually assures it won't. I can see that you and I have a difference of opinion on this point, so we'll have to just agree to disagree.
You and I also have fundamentally different perspective on McCain as a CINC. I don't see him as a "shoot first, ask questions later" president.
And again, I'll ask the question...how much of that reform do you think Obama will be able to accomplish when he's saddled with the economic crisis and perhaps a $700B government bailout bill? You're naive if you think he will be able to accomplish everything he's set forth....despite his non-answer at the debate the other day, he will have to prioritize.
You mean like El Nono's statement that McCain couldn't raise his arms above his head because he is "old". Typical left wing slime!Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_
Right. You never attack people first. You're totally the victim every single time here.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
The hell of it is that you're more than intelligent enough to have a debate without being so offensive yet you choose to a) let people drag you down into the nether reaches of trolldom or b) you do it yourself. Anyway, most of what you said isn't even applicable to me, as I am not a liberal (which I've stated numerous times to no avail, as apparently what I say doesn't matter to you) and never have been. Because I support Obama though, you enjoy lumping me into that category because it makes it easier to diametrically oppose anything I say. :clap
[QUOTE]Most of the conservatives on this forum are ten times more civil than the libs are...and they don't post near as much propaganda./QUOTE]
Oh man, you cannot possibly make a statement that's more inaccurate. There are trolls on both sides of the issue. I don't defend either side when they start with the "Hussein, McSame" nonsense. Do you? Please show me where I have advocated for a person who's intentionally trolling. You can't, but you'll sure as hell put me in the same category, yeah?
Honestly, I completely forgot about McCain's tortuous past. It happens. I'm not American, and thus unable to vote, so I see this whole election from the outside in many respects. And while I agreed mostly with liberals in this forum lately, I've agreed with conservatives numerous times. Go ask Wild Cobra if you don't believe me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hook Dem
This is what happens when logic doesn't agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
LOL, poor croutons doesn't understand that Paulson's a liberal. We are going to get buttfucked by the bailout. Yay for socialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_
You have your facts wrong. The reason the fighting has stopped is because we've paid off both sides. So yes there is short term peace right now but when we leave they will go right back to fighting one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
There is no democracy in Iraq and they are no closer to a democracy now than they were at any point in their history. The Iraqi's want a theocracy, they don't want a democracy. This is the point you fail to understand, we cannot force a democracy on a people that don't want it. They have to want it for themselves.
Therefore it makes no sense to stay there when we could be focusing our resources on where the terrorists actually came from. You know in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
I'm fully aware Obama won't be able to do everything he wants to do. That doesn't matter to me, his priorities are to invest in the American people. McCain will give $300 billion dollars in tax cuts to the rich, you know where his priorities lie. The bottom line is McCain, for the most part, will continue the Bush economic and foreign policy philosophies that have put this nation in the horrible position it is in today. We can't afford 4 more years of this, and the American people are waking up. Obama is stretching his lead in the polls and barring a major gaffe/blunder he will win this election leaving the Republican party in complete disarray.
4 mo years 4 mo years 4 mo years
Doood, between Big Spender Bush and soft McCain it already is!Quote:
Will Leave Republican party in complete disarray
I hear you and though we disagree, I respect your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
And I think the Republican Party is already in complete dissaray. They are a party without an identity, who chose a candidate they had to tolerate. If McCain loses this election I have absoltely no idea where the party is headed.
I don't attack people personally very often at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
And most of the time when I get into a name calling contest with someone, they have called me stupid for something I said that was a true statement.
In here yeah. In fact I enjoy it...if you look most of the people I get into the flame wars with are people that are legitimately stupid though. That's nearly always the case.Quote:
The hell of it is that you're more than intelligent enough to have a debate without being so offensive yet you choose to a) let people drag you down into the nether reaches of trolldom or b) you do it yourself.
And I don't think I've argued with you much at all...Quote:
Anyway, most of what you said isn't even applicable to me, as I am not a liberal (which I've stated numerous times to no avail, as apparently what I say doesn't matter to you) and never have been. Because I support Obama though, you enjoy lumping me into that category because it makes it easier to diametrically oppose anything I say. :clap
It's entirely accurate.Quote:
Most of the conservatives on this forum are ten times more civil than the libs are...and they don't post near as much propaganda.
Oh man, you cannot possibly make a statement that's more inaccurate.
I don't think I said you were in any category other than a lib, and I didn't classify you as one of the obnoxious ones...that is entirely you portraying yourself as a victim.Quote:
There are trolls on both sides of the issue. I don't defend either side when they start with the "Hussein, McSame" nonsense. Do you? Please show me where I have advocated for a person who's intentionally trolling. You can't, but you'll sure as hell put me in the same category, yeah?
Case in point...who started the accusations between you and I in this thread?
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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
Yeah well every time I tone it down in the main forum timvp PM's and tells me I am getting soft.
And if you don't believe me ask yourself this why...why did they make me a mod?
Now would you mind taking your third world ass out of this discussion? Americans are having a discussion here. Thanks, in advance.
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I am reminded of the event that precipitated getting our mod status taken away.
I honestly don't believe McCain would make a bad president. He's a good man with good intentions. I just think the philosophies he subscribes to are not what America needs right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
This crusade against intellectualism is what pisses me off the most about the Republican party today. Since when was it a bad thing to be educated? It's utterly ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I always chalked it up to mouse whining...was there another reason?
i attacked whottt with the possibility of employment. geez......
People were always bitching, but I think it reached its zenith after you trashed the toll forum.Quote:
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Oh yeah that's right...you'd think the trolls would have appreciated that more.
Fucking victims...
This is why the Palin pick pissed me off (nice alliteration huh?). Her very appeal is that she's just a "normal" person like you or I. Sorry, but I don't want a damn Hockey Mom running the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
It's a total "values" pick and we clearly don't need that right now.
other nations will be excited with working alongside obama. they'll want to be involved and so will their citizens.
they'll look at mccain with disdain. they've seen this act before.
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