Guess the religious nutjob that said this?

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Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.

Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.

They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph.

They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest -- until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.

For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle, for their return to the haven of home.

Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them, Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.

And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters, and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are ever with them -- help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.

Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent, let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.

Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of our armed forces.

And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons wheresoever they may be.

And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment -- let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose.

With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances. Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into a world unity that will spell a sure peace -- a peace invulnerable to the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.

Thy will be done, Almighty God.

Amen.

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Answer: Franklin D. Roosevelt - June 6, 1944

So?

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Is this a holy war?

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what's the point?

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we observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom—symbolizing an end, as well as a beginning—signifying renewal, as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three quarters ago. 1
The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

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Gasp!


John F. Kennedy, January 20, 1961

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

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Do you consider this a holy war?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Gasp!


John F. Kennedy, January 20, 1961

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what's the point?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

what's the point?

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Can you imagine how the MSM would react to those statements in this day and age?

God damn the media, God damn the MEDDIAAAA.

Their chickeeennsssssssssss have come homeeeee. TO ROOOOST.

Do you consider our current conflict a holy war, DarrinS?

Anti.Hero?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Do you consider our current conflict a holy war, DarrinS?

Anti.Hero?

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To a certain extent.

Of course. I'm a traditionalist though and do not believe in holy wars without riding in on horseback.



Heat-seeking bunker busters are sooooooo NEW NEW testament.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

To a certain extent.

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To what extent?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

To what extent?

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Well, Buddhists haven't been committing terrorists acts against the US and US interests.

I think at least one of the parties to this conflict believes it's a religious war. So, in that respect...I guess it is.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Well, Buddhists haven't been committing terrorists acts against the US and US interests.

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That doesn't explain anything.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I think at least one of the parties to this conflict believes it's a religious war. So, in that respect...I guess it is.

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Thinking other people think it's a holy war means nothing. What do you think it is?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Can you imagine how the MSM would react to those statements in this day and age?

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It would be an interesting reaction. But then again your premise of "in this day and age" is also the weakness of your argument. It's this day and age. It's not 64 or 47 years ago. The year is 2008.

I'm glad we, the USA, have a monopoly on doing God's will.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I think at least one of the parties to this conflict believes it's a religious war. So, in that respect...I guess it is.

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That sort of logic leads to supporting torture.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Well, Buddhists haven't been committing terrorists acts against the US and US interests.

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:lmao

Well said, way to address the question directly.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Thinking other people think it's a holy war means nothing. What do you think it is?

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Well, Islamic jihadists think THEY are in a holy war, don't they?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Well, Islamic jihadists think THEY are in a holy war, don't they?

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What kind if war do you think we are in?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Well, Islamic jihadists think THEY are in a holy war, don't they?

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Well some conservative folks think THEY are in a holy war, don't they?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

What kind if war do you think we are in?

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To the extent we are fighting people that consider themselves "holy warriors", we are in a holy war. I can't state it any more plainly than that.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

To the extent we are fighting people that consider themselves "holy warriors", we are in a holy war. I can't state it any more plainly than that.

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So you don't think we should be invoking God when talking about this war either.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

That sort of logic leads to supporting torture.

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I don't get your logic.

If Islamo-fascism, Islamists, Islamic extremists, jihadists, etc...ad nauseum... believes they're fighting a religious war, are they? I think they are -- regardless of how you or I would characterize the conflict.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I don't get your logic.

If Islamo-fascism, Islamists, Islamic extremists, jihadists, etc...ad nauseum... believes they're fighting a religious war, are they? I think they are -- regardless of how you or I would characterize the conflict.

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How would you characterize the conflict?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Well some conservative folks think THEY are in a holy war, don't they?

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There are some of us who believe the enemy, in this conflict, is pure evil. And, evil is a religious construct.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

There are some of us who believe the enemy, in this conflict, is pure evil. And, evil is a religious construct.

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So you think this is a holy war?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So you don't think we should be invoking God when talking about this war either.

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Our invisible god is better than their invisible god.


Just kidding.


TO the extent that we can help jihadists meet God, I think we should ablige.

I think that those of us who believe in God should pray that we're doing His will.

That's different than asking or believing that God is on our side. It's asking that we be on God's side.

This was also the distinction the Left was unable to make when they jumped on Governor Palin's prayer at her son's deployment ceremony.

Do you consider the current conflict a holy war?

Yes or no will do.

The middle eastern conflict will not be resolved by the U.S. or any of it's military might - it is engrained in the generational mindset of most radical muslims and they will keep it going long after this administration or the next one leaves. Yes, even 'peaceful' muslims have stated on numerous occasions, on numerous platforms that the existence of the sovereign State of Israel is a threat to their faith, and an abomination to their way of life, and to their view of the world.

Another issue that will keep us entrenched in this conflict is that future generations of muslims within Europe and here in the States will become radicalized even if their parents were 'peaceful muslims' who chose to detach themselves from the middle eastern conflict altogether. Just because the parents were 'peaceful' - or 'americanized' (choosing instead a lassez-faire attitude about the conflict) doesn't guarantee that their children will share their worldview. In fact, even if a tiny fraction of their children become radicalized that generation will become an iminent internal threat. They will hate us no matter what foreign policy we decide to pursue.

So whether or not we consider ourselves participants in this centuries old "Holy War" by describing our military/political participation as such, the enemy sure does see it that way.... No matter who sugarcoats the issue, 'it' is what it is... They enemy has seen it that way long before this administration took the White House.

In that context, ChumpDumper, how we identify the 'war' is irrelevant.

So how about answering the question?

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

The middle eastern conflict will not be resolved by the U.S. or any of it's military might - it is engrained in the generational mindset of most radical muslims and they will keep it going long after this administration or the next one leaves. Yes, even 'peaceful' muslims have stated on numerous occasions, on numerous platforms that the existence of the sovereign State of Israel is a threat to their faith, and an abomination to their way of life, and to their view of the world.

Another issue that will keep us entrenched in this conflict is that future generations of muslims within Europe and here in the States will become radicalized even if their parents were 'peaceful muslims' who chose to detach themselves from the middle eastern conflict altogether. Just because the parents were 'peaceful' - or 'americanized' (choosing instead a lassez-faire attitude about the conflict) doesn't guarantee that their children will share their worldview. In fact, even if a tiny fraction of their children become radicalized that generation will become an iminent internal threat. They will hate us no matter what foreign policy we decide to pursue.

So whether or not we consider ourselves participants in this centuries old "Holy War" by describing our military/political participation as such, the enemy sure does see it that way.... No matter who sugarcoats the issue, 'it' is what it is... They enemy has seen it that way long before this administration took the White House.

In that context, ChumpDumper, how we identify the 'war' is irrelevant.

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Well stated.

Me personally?

Yes I consider it a 'holy war'... but that is also irrelevant.

Maybe we should pull out and 'lose the war', quit spending all that 'war-machine' money, fix our economy, worry about building that wall on our southern border. That should in the very least keep radical muslims at bay for another 5 years or so. The enemy, however, will get stronger, regroup and attack us at home once more - that eventuality is inevitable. The fact that Iran will potentially own nuclear weapons by that time won't help our cause.

Or we keep fighting on their turf, seek out as many radical cells as we can find, and keep insisting that Iran cease all nuclear-enrichment. The war continues...

Unfortunately, either option will cost us many American lives. That my friend is the state of the world we live in. People have always elected to drift towards extremes.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Yes I consider it a 'holy war'... but that is also irrelevant.

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I believe it is quite relevant.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

I believe it is quite relevant.

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Wrong. I don't dictate any foreign policy.

As such, my opinion stands; my characterization of this particular 'version' of the war is irrelevant.

In my worldview, all I can do is pray for what very little 'peace' we can muster out of the war.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Wrong. I don't dictate any foreign policy.

As such, my opinion stands; it is irrelevant.

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So every political thought you have is irrelevant.

I wouldn't have gone that far, but whatever you say. Nice seeing you here.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So every political thought you have is irrelevant.

I wouldn't have gone that far, but whatever you say. Nice seeing you.

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Nice little red-herring...

My vote as an American Citizen counts as much as the next person's. But that vote in and of itself doesn't generate any foreign policies. Most politicians afterall, will do what they wish to do regardless of my vote, or more specifically my worldview.

Are your arguments always this dichotic, so ying-yang?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I think that those of us who believe in God should pray that we're doing His will.

That's different than asking or believing that God is on our side. It's asking that we be on God's side.

This was also the distinction the Left was unable to make when they jumped on Governor Palin's prayer at her son's deployment ceremony.

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Yes, going to church and making a public show of "praying" that you're doing the right thing does relieve you of the burden of having to do any serious thinking or reasoning about whether you are actually doing the right thing.

Funny how none of people praying ever say "God spoke to me and told me we have it all wrong".

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

The middle eastern conflict will not be resolved by the U.S. or any of it's military might - it is engrained in the generational mindset of most radical muslims and they will keep it going long after this administration or the next one leaves. Yes, even 'peaceful' muslims have stated on numerous occasions, on numerous platforms that the existence of the sovereign State of Israel is a threat to their faith, and an abomination to their way of life, and to their view of the world.

Another issue that will keep us entrenched in this conflict is that future generations of muslims within Europe and here in the States will become radicalized even if their parents were 'peaceful muslims' who chose to detach themselves from the middle eastern conflict altogether. Just because the parents were 'peaceful' - or 'americanized' (choosing instead a lassez-faire attitude about the conflict) doesn't guarantee that their children will share their worldview. In fact, even if a tiny fraction of their children become radicalized that generation will become an iminent internal threat. They will hate us no matter what foreign policy we decide to pursue.

So whether or not we consider ourselves participants in this centuries old "Holy War" by describing our military/political participation as such, the enemy sure does see it that way.... No matter who sugarcoats the issue, 'it' is what it is... They enemy has seen it that way long before this administration took the White House.

In that context, ChumpDumper, how we identify the 'war' is irrelevant.

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How we think about and identify the war goes directly to how we conduct ourselves. If everyone here takes the bait of calling it a holy war, just because they do, we carelessly expand the definition of "our enemy" to include every muslim on earth.

It cracks me up watching Chump fuck with all the repubs in here. Even if I disagree with him 9 times out of 10, he's really good at fucking with you guys. Eventually you'll learn that if you just answer his questions with other questions you can wait for the hilarity to ensue.

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Originally Posted by PixelPusher

How we think about and identify the war goes directly to how we conduct ourselves. If everyone here takes the bait of calling it a holy war, just because they do, we carelessly expand the definition of "our enemy" to include every muslim on earth.

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How is that perception any different than how most muslim circles have always perceived the war? I've yet to find one muslim that agrees with America's involment in the middle eastern conflict... why? Because they realize that our military strength and support has unified and strengthened their long time arch-enemy; the nation of Israel (whether a sovereign state or not).

Tactfulness over the 'political-correctness' of characterizing the war is trivial and moot at this point.... because we blatantly became their enemy decades ago when we helped Israel become a nation. You do realize that most muslims here in the states inherently consider the U.S. "The Great Satan"... regardless of our foreign policy - don't you? They can't stand our culture, our music, our diversity, our freedom of expression, the fact that women are considered equals, or the fact that this nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles (despite the Separation of Church and State). Most 'american' muslims are here chasing the 'almighty dollar' like most everyone else, but it would be naive to ignore that they also believe that they are spreading the extents of their earthly Islamic Kingdom -- and that in that sense they are self-sacrificing j_i_ha_dis_ts themselves...

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

How is that perception any different than how most muslim circles have always perceived the war? I've yet to find one muslim that agrees with America's involment in the middle eastern conflict... why? Because they realize that our military strength and support has unified and strengthened their long time arch-enemy; the nation of Israel (whether a sovereign state or not).

Tactfulness over the 'political-correctness' of characterizing the war is trivial and moot at this point.... because we blatantly became their enemy decades ago when we helped Israel become a nation. You do realize that most muslims here in the states inherently consider the U.S. "The Great Satan"... regardless of our foreign policy - don't you? They can't stand our culture, our music, our diversity, our freedom of expression, the fact that women are considered equals, or the fact that this nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles (despite the Separation of Church and State). Most 'american' muslims are here chasing the 'almighty dollar' like most everyone else, but it would be naive to ignore that they also believe that they are spreading the extents of their earthly Islamic Kingdom -- and that in that sense they are self-sacrificing j_i_ha_dis_ts themselves...

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Do you have any actual study or research that backs up your assertion that most muslims in this country think the way you describe? The ones I've met couldn't be more opposite the description you provided.
Your post above reeks of xenophobia, that's why I'd love to know where you got your information from.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Do you have any actual study or research that backs up your assertion that most muslims in this country think the way you describe? The ones I've met couldn't be more opposite the description you provided.
Your post above reeks of xenophobia, that's why I'd love to know where you got your information from.

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Mostly from Muslim student associations in the greater Boston and New York areas....

Despite what you may think, I probably have more muslim friends and acquaintances than you think I do.... they're the ones that told me that they could not impede their childrens' calling if for some reason they were called to fight the evils they saw in their society.

And yes, I admit the above comments are simply my opinions; but ones that are based on actual interactions with muslims and their practices. Have you ever actually read the Quran? Or are you acquainted with the tenets of Islam or its history? Are you familiar with the major doctrinal controversies that divide the different Islamic groups? Well... I can't speak for you, but most Americans aren't; in their 'ignorance' on matters of Islam they basically don't realize that we face a problem much greater than the military conflict itself... It is a clash of worldviews and cultures.

For example, one of those major rifts between muslims just so happens to address the issue of how to deal with Islam's enemies. Considering that the prophet Mohammed had some of his detractors dismembered by horses, among a great deal of other bloody tortures - you should read his biographies if you haven't already - what then do you think some of the members of his faith feel is 'just' punishment for the detractors of Islam today? That path will always be pursued and instigated by a few.

My statements certainly don't apply to all muslims. One thing is for certain however; it may only take but one radical muslim to attack this country once more - and they won't necesarily have to travel from abroad to do their harm.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Mostly from Muslim student associations in the greater Boston and New York areas....

Despite what you may think, I probably have more muslim friends and acquaintances than you think I do.... they're the ones that told me that they could not impede their childrens' calling if for some reason they were called to fight the evils they saw in their society.

And yes, I admit the above comments are simply my opinions; but ones that are based on actual interactions with muslims and their practices. Have you ever actually read the Quran? Or are you acquainted with the tenets of Islam or its history? Are you familiar with the major doctrinal controversies that divide the different Islamic groups? Well... I can't speak for you, but most Americans aren't; in their 'ignorance' on matters of Islam they basically don't realize that we face a problem much greater than the military conflict itself... It is a clash of worldviews and cultures.

For example, one of those major rifts between muslims just so happens to address the issue of how to deal with Islam's enemies. Considering that the prophet Mohammed had some of his detractors dismembered by horses, among a great deal of other bloody tortures - you should read his biographies if you haven't already - what then do you think some of the members of his faith feel is 'just' punishment for the detractors of Islam today? That path will always be pursued and instigated by a few.

My statements certainly don't apply to all muslims. One thing is for certain however; it may only take but one radical muslim to attack this country once more - and they won't necesarily have to travel from abroad to do their harm.

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Thanks. I was pretty sure you pulled those comments out from your ass.
I don't disagree with your notion that one of these Muslims might go wacko one day and do something bad. But that can happen with anybody (McVeigh, Unabomber, etc) regardless of their religion.
And as much as you can quote people being dismembered by horses, I can retort with the Inquisition. But we don't burn people at the stake anymore, do we?
The Catholic church history is also nothing to be proud of IF you look at it with the same critical eye that you look at Islam.

And yes, I have read both the Bible and the Quran. And I think both are a bunch of fear mongering for the weak minded. Now, that's just my personal opinion, even though I understand it will piss off equally some Christians and Islamists.

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Thanks. I was pretty sure you pulled those comments out from your ass.

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Ummmm... dude... that phrase is usually reserved for someone who 'brings' faulty statistics, or outright lies into a discussion.

I clearly stated from the get-go what my stance was, and what my opinions were...

:rolleyes

Unlike other posters, I'm not afraid to show where I stand on certain issues; even if they are highly controversial.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I don't disagree with your notion that one of these Muslims might go wacko one day and do something bad. But that can happen with anybody (McVeigh, Unabomber, etc) regardless of their religion.

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Quite the understatement. They go 'wacko' everyday somewhere in the middle east; they don't understand the concept of peace because 1) they can't let go of a thousands-year-old family feud, 2) because they don't value the ideals of freedom and equality like we do and 3) because they hate Israel and its allies (specifically the U.S.)...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

And as much as you can quote people being dismembered by horses, I can retort with the Inquisition. But we don't burn people at the stake anymore, do we? The Catholic church history is also nothing to be proud of IF you look at it with the same critical eye that you look at Islam.

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Epic fail!....

I won't defend the Catholic Churchs' actions, and I certainly don't condone their cruel history; but their actions were driven by the institution's thirst for power... not because the Bible taught or instructed them to do so...

'Vengence is mine sayeth The LORD"
'Verily I say unto you, if a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other"

The Quran, on the other hand, does nothing to disuade muslims from violence - it gives them the option to pursue that course; and guess what? Many, many do....

That, ElNono, is a massive 'theological' difference between the two.

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And yes, I have read both the Bible and the Quran.

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Doubtful... given your noted ignorance in differentiating a core distinction between the two.

Yes... I'm calling you out on this particular claim...

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And I think both are a bunch of fear mongering for the weak minded. Now, that's just my personal opinion, even though I understand it will piss off equally some Christians and Islamists.

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So then why the sudden concern over hurting Muslims' feelings, and being all 'politically correct' over the characterization of the war? "Let's not alienate the muslim sector in american society"... :rolleyes

Nothing seems to hold liberals back when attacking the Christian moral value set, or the Christian sector.

I'm going to sleep. Sorry it got that heated... but my Islamic Studies course in college was an eye-opening class that forever changed my view on what the Islamic worldview is all about.

BTW the "building the wall on the southern border" comment was mocking and sarcastic in nature. I am opposed to that project.

I'm many, many things... but I'm not what most would consider a xenophobe.

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Ummmm... dude... that phrase is usually reserved for someone who 'brings' faulty statistics, or outright lies into a discussion.

I clearly stated from the get-go what my stance was, and what my opinions were...

:rolleyes

Unlike other posters, I'm not afraid to show where I stand on certain issues; even if they are highly controversial.

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You said:

You do realize that most muslims here in the states inherently consider the U.S. "The Great Satan"... regardless of our foreign policy - don't you? They can't stand our culture, our music, our diversity, our freedom of expression, the fact that women are considered equals, or the fact that this nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles (despite the Separation of Church and State).


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Another issue that will keep us entrenched in this conflict is that future generations of muslims within Europe and here in the States will become radicalized even if their parents were 'peaceful muslims' who chose to detach themselves from the middle eastern conflict altogether.

When you have absolutely no proof of those two things at all. If you would have prefaced those with 'In my opinion', then I wouldn't even have answered. You're entitled to an opinion, like everyone else. But trying to pass those as absolute truth, makes you a liar at the very least.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Quite the understatement. They go 'wacko' everyday somewhere in the middle east; they don't understand the concept of peace because 1) they can't let go of a thousands-year-old family feud, 2) because they don't value the ideals of freedom and equality like we do and 3) because they hate Israel and its allies (specifically the U.S.)...

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We're talking about 'american' muslims. Please stay on topic.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Epic fail!....

I won't defend the Catholic Churchs' actions, and I certainly don't condone their cruel history; but their actions were driven by the institution's thirst for power... not because the Bible taught or instructed them to do so...

'Vengence is mine sayeth The LORD"
'Verily I say unto you, if a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other"

The Quran, on the other hand, does nothing to disuade muslims from violence - it gives them the option to pursue that course; and guess what? Many, many do....

That, ElNono, is a massive 'theological' difference between the two.

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And many do not pursue that option. That's exactly why characterizing 'most american muslims' in a violent stereotype and trying to pass it as fact is nothing but xenophobia.

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Doubtful... given your noted ignorance in differentiating a core distinction between the two.

Yes... I'm calling you out on this particular claim...

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We had a president of Syrian descent in our country, back about 15 years ago. Everybody in our high school class had to prepare a paper on Syrian culture, and our group did religion. It was painful to read, because I'm not a religious person myself, but not only I read it cover to cover, I had to write an essay about it. Now, you're entitled to believe what you will. But I did read that book many years ago, and it wasn't an option for me.

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So then why the sudden concern over hurting Muslims' feelings, and being all 'politically correct' over the characterization of the war? "Let's not alienate the muslim sector in american society"... :rolleyes

Nothing seems to hold liberals back when attacking the Christian moral value set, or the Christian sector.

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I'm not concerned about hurting Muslims' feelings. I'm concerned about people like you vilifying EVERY Muslim because a small subset of them decided to be radical. And doing it so attempting to pass opinion for fact. There are different shades of religion acceptance in each and every person. I know plenty of Christians that go to church every sunday, yet they don't agree with a battery of topics coming from Rome (such as gay people, condom usage, etc).

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

I'm going to sleep. Sorry it got that heated... but my Islamic Studies course in college was an eye-opening class that forever changed my view on what the Islamic worldview is all about.

BTW the "building the wall on the southern border" comment was mocking and sarcastic in nature. I am opposed to that project.

I'm many, many things... but I'm not what most would consider a xenophobe.

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I believe you. But you need to start prefacing those things with: IMO.
The reason is simple: Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but when we start generalizing for the sake of generalizing, I don't care if you're doing it with Muslims, Christians or Atheists. It's just simply wrong.

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The reason is simple: Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but when we start generalizing for the sake of generalizing, I don't care if you're doing it with Muslims, Christians or Atheists. It's just simply wrong.

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With due respect, you should probably remember that next time you're thinking of calling the Bible and Quran "fear mongering for the weak minded."

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

With due respect, you should probably remember that next time you're thinking of calling the Bible and Quran "fear mongering for the weak minded."

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I did state it was my opinion. I didn't try to pass it as fact. Which is my whole entire point.

What we need is a really big stadium and place the extremist Muslims, zionist Jews and the Fundamentalist Christians that support the zionist platforms into it so they could work havoc on one another and leave the rest of us alone.

Btw, for a good understanding of some of the Muslim forces at play now check out this article:

http://www.bostonreview.net/BR28.5/cole.html

At least it proposes a real rationale for the Iraq debacle.

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Originally Posted by byrontx

What we need is a really big stadium and place the extremist Muslims, zionist Jews and the Fundamentalist Christians that support the zionist platforms into it so they could work havoc on one another and leave the rest of us alone.

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Could we get that televised? :lol