Re: Guess the religious nutjob that said this?
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Phenomanul
Ummmm... dude... that phrase is usually reserved for someone who 'brings' faulty statistics, or outright lies into a discussion.
I clearly stated from the get-go what my stance was, and what my opinions were...
:rolleyes
Unlike other posters, I'm not afraid to show where I stand on certain issues; even if they are highly controversial.
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You do realize that most muslims here in the states inherently consider the U.S. "The Great Satan"... regardless of our foreign policy - don't you? They can't stand our culture, our music, our diversity, our freedom of expression, the fact that women are considered equals, or the fact that this nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles (despite the Separation of Church and State).
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Another issue that will keep us entrenched in this conflict is that future generations of muslims within Europe and here in the States will become radicalized even if their parents were 'peaceful muslims' who chose to detach themselves from the middle eastern conflict altogether.
When you have absolutely no proof of those two things at all. If you would have prefaced those with 'In my opinion', then I wouldn't even have answered. You're entitled to an opinion, like everyone else. But trying to pass those as absolute truth, makes you a liar at the very least.
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Originally Posted by
Phenomanul
Quite the understatement. They go 'wacko' everyday somewhere in the middle east; they don't understand the concept of peace because 1) they can't let go of a thousands-year-old family feud, 2) because they don't value the ideals of freedom and equality like we do and 3) because they hate Israel and its allies (specifically the U.S.)...
We're talking about 'american' muslims. Please stay on topic.
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Phenomanul
Epic fail!....
I won't defend the Catholic Churchs' actions, and I certainly don't condone their cruel history; but their actions were driven by the institution's thirst for power... not because the Bible taught or instructed them to do so...
'Vengence is mine sayeth The LORD"
'Verily I say unto you, if a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other"
The Quran, on the other hand, does nothing to disuade muslims from violence - it gives them the option to pursue that course; and guess what? Many, many do....
That, ElNono, is a massive 'theological' difference between the two.
And many do not pursue that option. That's exactly why characterizing 'most american muslims' in a violent stereotype and trying to pass it as fact is nothing but xenophobia.
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Phenomanul
Doubtful... given your noted ignorance in differentiating a core distinction between the two.
Yes... I'm calling you out on this particular claim...
We had a president of Syrian descent in our country, back about 15 years ago. Everybody in our high school class had to prepare a paper on Syrian culture, and our group did religion. It was painful to read, because I'm not a religious person myself, but not only I read it cover to cover, I had to write an essay about it. Now, you're entitled to believe what you will. But I did read that book many years ago, and it wasn't an option for me.
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Phenomanul
So then why the sudden concern over hurting Muslims' feelings, and being all 'politically correct' over the characterization of the war? "Let's not alienate the muslim sector in american society"... :rolleyes
Nothing seems to hold liberals back when attacking the Christian moral value set, or the Christian sector.
I'm not concerned about hurting Muslims' feelings. I'm concerned about people like you vilifying EVERY Muslim because a small subset of them decided to be radical. And doing it so attempting to pass opinion for fact. There are different shades of religion acceptance in each and every person. I know plenty of Christians that go to church every sunday, yet they don't agree with a battery of topics coming from Rome (such as gay people, condom usage, etc).
Re: Guess the religious nutjob that said this?
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Originally Posted by
Phenomanul
I'm going to sleep. Sorry it got that heated... but my Islamic Studies course in college was an eye-opening class that forever changed my view on what the Islamic worldview is all about.
BTW the "building the wall on the southern border" comment was mocking and sarcastic in nature. I am opposed to that project.
I'm many, many things... but I'm not what most would consider a xenophobe.
I believe you. But you need to start prefacing those things with: IMO.
The reason is simple: Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but when we start generalizing for the sake of generalizing, I don't care if you're doing it with Muslims, Christians or Atheists. It's just simply wrong.
Re: Guess the religious nutjob that said this?
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Originally Posted by ElNono
The reason is simple: Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but when we start generalizing for the sake of generalizing, I don't care if you're doing it with Muslims, Christians or Atheists. It's just simply wrong.
With due respect, you should probably remember that next time you're thinking of calling the Bible and Quran "fear mongering for the weak minded."
Re: Guess the religious nutjob that said this?
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Originally Posted by
Spurminator
With due respect, you should probably remember that next time you're thinking of calling the Bible and Quran "fear mongering for the weak minded."
I did state it was my opinion. I didn't try to pass it as fact. Which is my whole entire point.
Re: Guess the religious nutjob that said this?
What we need is a really big stadium and place the extremist Muslims, zionist Jews and the Fundamentalist Christians that support the zionist platforms into it so they could work havoc on one another and leave the rest of us alone.
Btw, for a good understanding of some of the Muslim forces at play now check out this article:
http://www.bostonreview.net/BR28.5/cole.html
At least it proposes a real rationale for the Iraq debacle.
Re: Guess the religious nutjob that said this?
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Originally Posted by
byrontx
What we need is a really big stadium and place the extremist Muslims, zionist Jews and the Fundamentalist Christians that support the zionist platforms into it so they could work havoc on one another and leave the rest of us alone.
Could we get that televised? :lol
