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Pelosi shouldn't have said what she did, but it's fucking pathetic they voted against it out of pique. Well, the market called their bluff to the tune of a drop of 800 points.
The Democrats should just write up their own bill and dare Bush to veto it.
Wow. :pctossQuote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Utter bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Obama doesn't look so pretty on this either. BTW, he didn't give this speech, but he thought it would pass.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...of-house-vote/
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The failure of the government bailout took Mr. Obama and his aides by surprise. A copy of his speech that was distributed to reporters upon arriving here, declared: "Today, Democrats and Republicans in Washington have agreed on an emergency rescue plan that is our best and only way to prevent an economic catastrophe."
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That's what they should have done from the get go. Or simply opposed it and that's it. At the end of the day this Congress is doing whatever the Republicans want anyways. This is the shit that's been going on since they took control of Congress and Pelosi has been front and center. They don't have the balls to take a stand on ANYTHING. It's truly pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Findog
Or they could have all voted Yes.
(DES MOINES, IOWA) – John McCain...Quote:
Originally Posted by Biernutz
I stopped reading there.
He's not in Washington working on the crisis he "suspended" his campaign for last week.
He's campaigning.
No emergency.
He lied.
Happy Rosh Hashanah.
http://streetknowledge.files.wordpre...mike_myers.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Where Obama?
09/28/2008 09:49 AM
ELECTION 2008: Thousands wait for Obama today in Detroit
http://www.yourstreet.com/news/42615...day-in-detroit
Obama never suspended his campaign and vowed to stay in Washington until the crisis was resolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biernutz
Damn, you are stupid.
Will McCain have to re-suspend his campaign when some form of this bill finally reaches the Senate?
McCain went in to help. He tried to make it happen. He wanted the bill to pass. Obama had to be dragged to D.C. and we all know how much of a big help he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Chump do you get tired of cut and paste of the same old insults over and over thru the years. Go on the internet and Google some better ones.
“Democrats believe in a free market. We know that it can create jobs, it can create wealth, it can create many good things in our economy,” Pelosi said. “But in this case, in its unbridled form, as encouraged, supported, by the Republicans, some in the Republican Party, not all, it has created not jobs, not capital, it has created chaos.
WTF
He showed up late and left early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biernutz
Then he never went back.
After saying he would stay until the crisis was resolved.
As much of a help as McCain minus the stupid, disingenuous stunts.Quote:
Obama had to be dragged to D.C. and we all know how much of a big help he was.
I do get tired saying you're stupid, but you force me to continue doing so.Quote:
Chump do you get tired of cut and paste of the same old insults over and over thru the years. Go on the internet and Google some better ones.
Quit being stupid and I'll stop.
Yes. McCain tried to get a bill passed that nearly every economist in the country was SCREAMING for not to happen. Since McCain is proving very aptly that he knows absolutely jack shit about the economy, I'm going to go ahead and say he got fucking owned because he was out of his depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biernutz
Of course, you don't care about what the economists say. McCain will never lead you wrong.
http://www.google.com/search?q=iraq+...ient=firefox-a
Now it's looking like it may all have been a partisan setup by Pelosi...
Suspicion is growing that Pelosi and the Democrats made no serious effort to pass the bill, and that it failed at least in part because Pelosi tried to misuse it for political advantage.
Everyone has heard about the weirdly partisan and inaccurate rant which Pelosi contributed to the debate on the bailout bill. But that speech did not take place in a vacuum. Public opinion is running strongly against the bill, and it required political courage to vote for it. If you look at the list of those who voted "No" in both parties, it is mostly members who are engaged in tough re-election campaigns. This is true on both sides of the aisle.
That being the case, and given the fact that the legislation was in fact a negotiated, bipartisan compromise, the first duty of the majority party is to line up its members to support the majority's bill. But evidence is growing that the Democrats did no such thing.
As of yesterday, the Democrats' House whip, Jim Clyburn said that he hadn't even begun "whipping" Democratic representatives, and wouldn't do so unless and until he got orders from Nancy Pelosi. Today, Democratic Congressman Peter DeFazio told NPR that he never was "whipped" on the bill. So Pelosi evidently left Democrats to vote their consciences--which is to say, vote against the bill if they thought it was politically necessary--while counting on Republicans to put the bill over the top.
This is a classic Charlie Brown and the football maneuver. Pelosi gives a speech that frames the issue, falsely, as the result of bad Republican policies, then allows her own threatened representatives to do the popular thing while expecting Republicans to take one for the team by casting an unpopular vote. Which, of course, their Democratic opponents would use against them, thereby increasing the Democratic majority in the House.
If this was Pelosi's plan it failed, in part, perhaps, because her over-the-top partisan diatribe tipped off Republicans as to what was afoot. If, as it now appears, it's true that the Democrats made no serious effort to pass the bailout bill, it is just one more example of the failure of leadership we have seen since they took control of Congress.
And, if this is the way they're going to play, Republicans might as well wait until they get a bill they want before voting in favor. Otherwise, I dare the Democrats to use their majority to push it through...
It looks like a partisan setup by Pelosi because Powerlineblog told Gabbovore to say it.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4...9gabbo13pd.jpg
The republicans might not have voted against it because of what she said. All the representatives have had their offices flooded with calls, emails, etc. saying no bailout. I am one that called my representatives office and both senators.Quote:
Originally Posted by Findog
As for the 700+ (was it almost 800?) drop, didn't it make up about half that today? I didn't look at the close, nor am I taking the time to. I just wanted to say, the only reason the market dropped, was day traders were acting on the sure thing that congress was going to do this bailout, then when it didn't happen, things went a bit erratic. If there was no talk of a bailout, or vote, I say this would have never happened to the market. It is already lower than it should be, and when the democrats stop talking about haw bad things are, it will go up again. If the media stops talking about how bad things are (they really aren't that bad) and is republicans take over congress and McCain becomes president, be sure, the Dow will go past 14,000 again.
McCain should have come out for the house republicans plan and let Obama be for the Bush/Pelosi/Paulson plan.
Instead he's trying to sell it to republicans who are against it and never were completely sold on him to begin with. It has probably cost him the presidency so you could probably say it has hurt him.
Like I said before, McCain idea of working across the isle is working with Republicans! He should be a Demcrat...Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
mccain failed, get over it.
For anyone to think he will get elected over what happened the last 8 yrs is comical.
Thats why i don't spend that much time debating it, obama is going to win
Serious question:
Why would this hurt McCain and not Obama? Is it because of the whole "shutting down" of his campaign?
Because both of these arsewipes are FOR the bailout.
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Because a Republican is President.
If Palin survives Thursday then the Palin/McCain ticket will get a boost.
I just got off the phone with McCain's Tempe office. Had basically the same thing to say as I listed in another thread. I also let them know I was only luke-warm voting for McCain, and that if he votes yes, he probably loses my vote.