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Originally Posted by Shastafarian
so what do you view it as?
'disposing of babies' ?
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Originally Posted by Shastafarian
so what do you view it as?
'disposing of babies' ?
I view it as a woman choosing to end the development of an fetus or embryo. Maybe you can say with certainty that life begins at conception but I don't presume to know for sure. Do you favor capital punishment?Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
A strawman argument if I ever saw one.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
What is an "environmentalist?" I bet if you asked 10 people who think climate change is real and man is contributing to it what their position is on reproductive rights, you'd get very different answers about their attitudes on abortion. This kind of two-dimensional thinking of yours is infantile and asinine. Keep dividing the world into "us" and "them."Quote:
ask 10 'environmentalists' on their view of abortion, and you'll see that i am right.
they go hand in hand.
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Originally Posted by Shastafarian
i believe that life begins with conception, yes.
i believe that they had a choice, to have sex, and not use a condom - irresponsibility. (you say what about the rape and incest? just 1% of abortions were a result of either of those, in 2007)
and yeah, i favor capital punishment.
i believe that man should be held accountable for their actions (a man and woman decide to have sex, they should be held accountable for their actions, not end the development of a fetus or embryo).
So how do you feel about the alarming rate of false imprisonment and the estimates about how many innocent people we execute? Just a small inconvenience for those of us who are too holy to allow people to have the right of choice?Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
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Originally Posted by Shastafarian
why do you continue to avoid this particular topic?
you want to talk about that, start a new topic.
i didn't start this topic to argue about anything and everything y'all have against christians.
honestfool, do you believe in abstinence-only or comprehensive sex-ed? Do you believe we should give teenagers condoms and put teenage girls on birth control?
I already asked you this once and you failed to respond.
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Originally Posted by Findog
alright.
well, since you're so almighty, and know everything, you win.
obviously no one but you is right, and you can never be wrong.
there is no point in arguing, right?
no matter what i say, "im wrong, you're right".
congratulations.
you won.
Nobody has said anything pejorative in this thread about Christians, although you strike me as a "Conservative Christian," which is a person that is neither conservative or christian.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
I win this argument because you put up a strawman. When you're interested in having a discussion, you're welcome to come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
Do you support abstinence-only or comprehensive sex-ed? Should we distribute contraceptives to teenagers?
Answer the fucking question.
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Originally Posted by Findog
im sorry i didn't respond.
i had to leave the house, and when i came back, there were other comments i had to reply to.
no.
i do not think we should give teenagers condoms.
so yeah, i believe in abstinence.
do we give teenagers drugs and say "we're just making them available. we're not making any value judgement, it's your decision."
of course, not, that's stupid.
again, would we make guns available? no, cause guns and drugs are dangerous.
don't tell me guns and drugs are dangerous, and it's not the same, because it's a perfect parallel.
you don't make potentially harmful things, drugs or guns, available to kids.
why?
they're dangerous. but when you make condoms available to kids your telling them there's nothing dangerous about them or inappropriate in their use.
I can't take your pro-life position seriously if you don't believe in comprehensive sex-ed.
Abstinence-only sex-ed is a failure. If you want fewer pregnancies and abortions, then you have to be willing to distribute contraceptives to teenagers. It's that simple.
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Originally Posted by honestfool84
wow. thats pretty stupid. teenagers aren't horny with a little "christian" counseling. and "a gun" is never mentioned in the good book. :lmao
Condoms are dangerous? Shit...Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
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Originally Posted by Findog
sadly, this is an imperfect world, and sin and death is going to happen, no matter what.
abstinence-only sex-ed explains the side affects of pre-marital sex.
when you have that pre-marital sex, there are consequences that you don't need, but if you believe that you're mature enough to have sex, then you should be mature enough to accept those consequences.
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Originally Posted by honestfool84
what's up with just dallas maverick fans ganging up on me?
is it that dallas is that liberal? :lol
if you could hear how you sound to the rest of the world you would see it has nothing to do with party affiliation.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
It's not a moral argument. It's about the best way to reduce unplanned pregnancies. Comprehensive sex-ed is the best way to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
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Originally Posted by Findog
the best way to reduce unplanned pregnancies is to hand out condoms.
so the best way to reduce killings is to hand out guns?
The best way to reduce gun violence is to take a gun-safety course. The best way to reduce unplanned pregnancies is comprehensive sex-ed. They're the exact same damn approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
You're definitely 15 years old. You have a lot to learn little one.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
And btw, here's some cognitive dissonance for you: I'm a strong supporter of both abortion rights AND the second amendment. I support Obama despite his weak record on the 2nd Amendment. I thought I was supposed to be a lemming that tailors all of my positions to the Democratic Party platform.
What gives?
Sex is a great thing, and teenagers can see through your religious propaganda from a mile away. Humans are wired to want sex after they hit puberty, and no one nor no bible is going to convince any majority of free thinkers that something they do by instinct is wrong. Telling teenagers not to want sex is the same as telling spiders not to spin webs. It's like PETA trying to tell people they should only eat a vegan diet. People see through it because it's bullshit and goes against how we evolved as a species.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
All you do by teaching this abstinence curriculum is get kids thinking condom failure is inevitable even with proper training, when its failure rate has been demonstrated by the World Health Organization to be 3% with respect to pregnancy over a full year of sex when used properly. If you keep filling teenagers' minds with lies about how dangerous condoms are, all you do is lead them to having sex unprotected. Then you have tons of people who have no chance of being ready to be decent parents with unwanted kids who end up in an environment of poverty.
Your argument might as well be made of swiss cheese.
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Originally Posted by Findog
a gun safety course will not stop the pervertedness and madness of a murder, just the same way any sex-ed, be it comprehensive or abstinence, will not stop horny teenagers.
which leads me to what i said, this is a fallen world, we can't accept perfection.
i don't have time to continue this little debate.
i just threw it out there so i can get a question answered.
but that seems a little to difficult.
i will not be replying to this thread anymore.