My apologies. What question did I answer?Quote:
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My apologies. What question did I answer?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
It is a big glaring contradiction. Kinda how they've been saying McCain is a typical bush-esque republican on foreign issues, then they turn around and say he's not like the republicans on social issues to try to alienate right-leaning voters. Theyre trying to do both but should really just choose one path and run with it.
Thats not how politics works. One thing you also need to remember is that certain statements are made under certain context. If Biden is speaking in front of teachers, he may say one thing but if he's speaking to a group of vets he may take a different angle that seemingly contradicts the first statment because of the seperate context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
In politics context can be everything and it can be meaningless but its usually important.
I meant in the same situation though. I think it was a social issue, but tonight Biden was like "And he's NOT like other republicans, he isn't!"Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
something to that effect.
Its kind of the same deal as LJ brought up, to someone hearing how McCain is like other republicans over and over and over again.
I don't see what the alternative is -- act like the negotiations are not taking place? Completely change the policy because Bush has to go along with it.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
Obama/Biden got this ish in the bag. Doublespeak is useful if the race is close and the issue is up for grabs. Neither is true in this situation. With this talking point, Obama/Biden is biting off more than they have to chew.
Putting conditions on painting Bush as the Antichrist makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Joe Robinette Biden
I'm starting to believe the real point of this thread was for timvp to prove he has a more masculine middle name than biden.
I think you may have a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
Robinette is a bad ass middle name. It's like if Palin was a superhero and she needed a sidekick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
I don't know that it's a contradiction. A pervasive theme for the Democrats in this campaign is that McCain would be a war hawk president. That's why we keep hearing about McCain's alleged refusal to utilize diplomacy during foreign affairs. The Iraq illustration is being used to show that McCain is such a war hawk that he is in favor of continuing a war that even the most committed proponents (i.e., the Bush Administration) would now like to see end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
I think it's somewhat misleading though because McCain has already acknowledged that he would like to draw down the number of troops when the conditions call for it and has recently said that the 16-month time-line is not necessarily a bad idea.
So pretend negotiations are not taking place and pass up the chance to declare scoreboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Eh, if anyone follows events in Iraq, they already know this. Just seems like another Iraq issue they can claim to have gotten right all along. I don't see how saying Bush has been forced to see the light as well is going to cost them any votes.
What part of that revised quote pretends negotiations aren't taking place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
There's a difference between declaring scoreboard and using the other team's most hated player as an ally.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Where does it say they are taking place?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Not an ally, a reluctant follower.Quote:
There's a difference between declaring scoreboard and using the other team's most hated player as an ally.
Just how many votes do you think this is costing Obama?
Where I thought that Obama and Biden might be making a mistake was when they were first to side with Bush on the bailout deal. You have a very unpopular President pushing an extremely unpopular piece of legislation a month before the election. The bad part was that Obama/Biden appeared to be in lockstep with Bush before McCain was. It had the potential for disaster on their part.
Where does it say it in the original quote?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
A follower is an ally. Reluctance doesn't doesn't factor in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
How many votes is the current strategy gaining for Obama?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I thought Obama actually said that the other night. Forgive me if I remembered incorrectly. It's not that important to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
A follower is a follower.Quote:
A follower is an ally. Reluctance doesn't doesn't factor in.
I have no idea. I didn't start the thread. The implication of your starting this thread is that this is hurting Obama. How much?Quote:
How many votes is the current strategy gaining for Obama?
If I inferred that incorrectly and you don't think it's hurting Obama, tell me why you started the thread.
But, but, but Obama/Biden is showing that even the Antichrist is for something that the deregulation monger is against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody
/"we"
What's the point of this thread?
Just another closet Republican who's too afraid to say he's Republican making hay of a complete non-issue.
Didn't think you would because you can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So an ally isn't a follower and a follower isn't an ally? Might want to alert Webster.Quote:
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If you can't tell me how many votes this is gaining him then I can't compare it to how many votes it may cost. Give me a baseline number and I'll work off that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Thanks.
Answering your own question with a wrong answer is quite a talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadHatter
Right. I don't remember how Obama said it. I thought he did. I certainly could be wrong because I don't care about this as much as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
It's a matter of emphasis for as much as I care, which is not that much.Quote:
So an ally isn't a follower and a follower isn't an ally? Might want to alert Webster.
No need. You started the thread. Let's hear it. You obviously have this figured out. You don't need any help from me.Quote:
If you can't tell me how many votes this is gaining him then I can't compare it to how many votes it may cost. Give me a baseline number and I'll work off that.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Typical post from a conservative too ashamed to admit he's conservative. Take a completely trivial point and try and make hay of it.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.....but it doesn't excuse the fact that Bush got us into this quagmire in the first place....Quote:
How can you destroy Bush with every ounce of your soul out of one side of your mouth and then out of the other side of your mouth use McCain thinking differently than Bush as evidence that McCain is wrong? I know politics is all about doublespeak but this talking point is just mind-boggling.