Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrorists'

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...ng-terrorists/

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Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrorists'
Sarah Palin takes a swipe at Barack Obama for his ties to Bill Ayers, founder of a 1960s radical group.

FOXNews.com

Saturday, October 04, 2008



Sarah Palin speaks at a rally at Saint Louis University after the vice presidential debate Thursday. (AP Photo)

Sarah Palin, using some of her strongest language to date to question the character of the Democratic presidential nominee, accused Barack Obama on Saturday of "palling around with terrorists."

Palin, speaking at a closed fundraiser in Colorado, was referencing Obama's ties to Bill Ayers, a founder of the 1960s radical group The Weather Underground. That relationship was examined in a front-page article in The New York Times on Saturday.

"This is not a man who sees America as you see America, and as I see America," Palin said. "Our opponent, though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect -- imperfect enough that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country. Americans need to know this. ... I think, OK we gotta get the word out. This is in fairness to the electorate we gotta start telling people what the other side represents."

The Times article she mentioned concluded that Obama and Ayers did not appear to be close.

Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan released a statement in response accusing McCain's campaign of launching "Swiftboat-like attacks in hopes of deflecting attention from the nation's economic ills."

He said the Times article made clear that Obama and Ayers were not close, "much less 'pals'."

Ayers' group took credit for bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol four decades ago.

Ayers now is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. He and Obama live in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood and served together on the board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based charity that develops community groups to help the poor. Obama left the board in December 2002, and he has denounced Ayers' past activities.

The McCain campaign has indicated it will step up its attacks on Obama's character and judgment in the final month of campaigning.

Palin, for instance, said on Friday that some of Obama's statements on America's foreign policy should disqualify him from being president.

"Some of his comments that he has made about the war that I think may -- in my world -- disqualifies someone from consideration as the next commander in chief," Palin told FOX News. "Some of his comments about Afghanistan and what we are doing there, supposedly just air-raiding villages and killing civilians. That's reckless."

She was referring to Obama's remarks last summer about Afghanistan in which he said: "We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians which is causing enormous problems there."

Republicans lashed out at him at the time, though the Associated Press published a fact-check shortly afterward that showed, by their count at the time, Western forces had killed 286 civilians in the country, compared with 231 killed by militants in 2007.

The escalated effort to question Obama's character dovetails with TV ads by outside groups questioning Obama's ties to Ayers, convicted former Obama fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko and Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

McCain adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer followed up on both of Palin's remarks Saturday, citing Obama's Afghanistan comments and ties to Ayers in questioning his judgment.

"Apparently Senator Obama has no problem associating with someone like that, and somehow thinks that this unrepentant terrorist is rehabilitated," she told FOX News.

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Stench of desperation? You betcha!

its called the truth.

you lie with the dogs you gets fleas... obama never thought as a community organizer anyone would ever give a fuck if he listened to the hatred spewed by his rev or if he hung out with terrorists

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Originally Posted by Clandestino

its called the truth.

you lie with the dogs you gets fleas... obama never thought as a community organizer anyone would ever give a fuck if he listened to the hatred spewed by his rev or if he hung out with terrorists

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Oh well hang your hat on this non existent relationship...

Nobody has explained why this could possibly matter.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Oh well hang your hat on this non existent relationship...

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It's hardly non-existent and, despite having written two -- yes two! -- autobiographies, Barak Obama has yet to commit in writing anything about what he is claiming to be his most important "executive" experience -- his time at the Chicago Annenburg Challenge.

Why do you think that is?

Me? I think it's because he would either 1) have to lie about his activities during those years or 2) demonstrate his association with William Ayers and other radical activists is closer than American voters would tolerate in a prospective president.

But, I'd still like to hear why you think he avoided his CAC years when penning his autobios.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Nobody has explained why this could possibly matter.

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HOw much longer before a 'he's a closet muslim' ad comes out?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

HOw much longer before a 'he's a closet muslim' ad comes out?

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They don't need an ad. Campaigns don't use mass media for those kinds of smears.

I hope Obama comes back with Charles Keating undeniably being one of McCain's close friends. Kind of relevant now with what this nation is going through.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

It's hardly non-existent and, despite having written two -- yes two! -- autobiographies, Barak Obama has yet to commit in writing anything about what he is claiming to be his most important "executive" experience -- his time at the Chicago Annenburg Challenge.

Why do you think that is?

Me? I think it's because he would either 1) have to lie about his activities during those years or 2) demonstrate his association with William Ayers and other radical activists is closer than American voters would tolerate in a prospective president.

But, I'd still like to hear why you think he avoided his CAC years when penning his autobios.

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Or he didn't know the guy real well.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Or he didn't know the guy real well.

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Well, at least you've stepped away from "non-existent" but, I wasn't talking about the fact that he didn't mention his relationship with Ayers in the books...hell, he didn't even talk about his time at the CAC.

What's up with that? I mean, now it's his most important executive experience, according to him...yet, it doesn't get a write up in either of his two -- I just can't get over the fact he's written two fucking autobiographies already -- autobiographies.

Not to mention he seems ashamed of the influence Saul Alinky's ideologies have had on him and can only write of his mentor "Frank," using his first name because, well, he's a communist too.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Well, at least you've stepped away from "non-existent" but, I wasn't talking about the fact that he didn't mention his relationship with Ayers in the books...hell, he didn't even talk about his time at the CAC.

What's up with that? I mean, now it's his most important executive experience, according to him...yet, it doesn't get a write up in either of his two -- I just can't get over the fact he's written two fucking autobiographies already -- autobiographies.

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Sorry, he might non have known him which would make it a non existent relationship. Sorry Yoni now matter how hard you right wingers try you won't make this bullshit stick

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Not to mention he seems ashamed of the influence Saul Alinky's ideologies have had on him and can only write of his mentor "Frank," using his first name because, well, he's a communist too.

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Can you find any proof of tis nonsense? I begining to think you and whott need zero proof to make olutlandish claims.. Oh well I am going to enjoy you having to call Obama Mr President

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Sorry, he might non have known him which would make it a non existent relationship. Sorry Yoni now matter how hard you right wingers try you won't make this bullshit stick

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I'm still curious. Why did he not mention his CAC years (1995-2001) in his autobiographies?

And why would he only refer to his mentor "Frank Marshall Davis" as "Frank," when he wrote of him at all?

Just curious.

I'm still curious.

Why would any of this matter?

Just curious.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Can you find any proof of tis nonsense? I begining to think you and whott need zero proof to make olutlandish claims.. Oh well I am going to enjoy you having to call Obama Mr President

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Obama’s Communist Mentor

Barack Obama and Bill Ayers: Stanley Kurtz Makes the Connection

Obama's Alinsky Jujitsu

None of which, of course, you'll hear from the MSM

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I'm still curious. Why did he not mention his CAC years (1995-2001) in his autobiographies?

And why would he only refer to his mentor "Frank Marshall Davis" as "Frank," when he wrote of him at all?

Just curious.

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So you are going to make me prove an accusation that you've made up. What exactly are you accusing Obama of?

For Clinton and Obama, a Common Ideological Touchstone

Here's one from the mainstream media but, they apparently thought the connection with Alinsky was a good thing and romanticize it.

I am going to wait for one ounce of solid proof that Obama ha more than passing relationship with Ayers. Of couse The Yonis of the world don't care whether it's true because they just want to win the election.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

For Clinton and Obama, a Common Ideological Touchstone

Here's one from the mainstream media but, they apparently thought the connection with Alinsky was a good thing and romanticize it.

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Obama was 23?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

So you are going to make me prove an accusation that you've made up. What exactly are you accusing Obama of?

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1) I believe his relationship with William Ayers is deeper and more significant than he's admitted and for reasons he knows would be political suicide.

2) I believe he has socialist -- bordering on Alinsky-inspired communist -- tendencies that will inform his policy-making as president and have already garnered him the title of most liberal politician on Capitol Hill.

3) I believe he didn't mention his ties to Davis and Ayers (or Alinksy influences) for the simple fact he know it would doom him politically.

There, that's what I'm accusing Barak Obama of.

So, again, why do you think he failed to mention CAC in his two (:lmao) autobiographies?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Obama was 23?

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So? He wasn't 23 when he went to work for Ayers and he wasn't 23 when he wrote the autobiographies that pretty much ignore this period of his life.

So he's a communist who will bomb the Pentagon. He is a member of the CPUSA and has planted bombs in the past.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

So? He wasn't 23 when he went to work for Ayers and he wasn't 23 when he wrote the autobiographies that pretty much ignore this period of his life.

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He was 8 when the WU was planting bombs.

It's all very important!

“I saw no evidence of a radical streak, either overt or covert, when we were together at Harvard Law School,” said Bradford A. Berenson, who worked on the Harvard Law Review with Mr. Obama and who served as associate White House counsel under President Bush. Mr. Berenson, who is backing Mr. McCain, described his fellow student as “a pragmatic liberal” whose moderation frustrated others at the law review whose views were much farther to the left.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us...%20%20LWzVGtPQ

Oh noes!

The saddest thing I've seen thus far in the campaign is video from a recent McCain town hall debate. One his supporters asked him when he's going to attack Obama to which everyone cheered. It's fucking disgusting what the Republican Party has become. This is all a sports game to them, they don't give a shit what happens so long as they win.

McCain can go negative all he wants, it isn't going to work against Obama. Hilary tried it and failed. We have 30 days left, if this is where McCain is at then he has already lost.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

1) I believe his relationship with William Ayers is deeper and more significant than he's admitted and for reasons he knows would be political suicide.

2) I believe he has socialist -- bordering on Alinsky-inspired communist -- tendencies that will inform his policy-making as president and have already garnered him the title of most liberal politician on Capitol Hill.

3) I believe he didn't mention his ties to Davis and Ayers (or Alinksy influences) for the simple fact he know it would doom him politically.

There, that's what I'm accusing Barak Obama of.

So, again, why do you think he failed to mention CAC in his two (:lmao) autobiographies?

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You also believe Bush is going to be on Mount Rushmore:rollin

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

You also believe Bush is going to be on Mount Rushmore:rollin

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Oh snap.

:lmao

Yoni still believes there were WMDs in Iraq and all the other lies dubya told Yoni about Iraq.

Yoni has long been faith-based, dickless, suckered object of ridicule.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

You also believe Bush is going to be on Mount Rushmore:rollin

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You never know. Yoni strikes me as the type who'd be willing to strap some dynamite to his chest with a bunch of followers and carve Bush's grill into the side of the mountain with it.

He could be associating with Bin Laden and his supporters wouldnt care. Not that there's anything wrong with that, you can hang out with anyone you want.

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Originally Posted by PEP

He could be associating with Bin Laden and his supporters wouldnt care. Not that there's anything wrong with that, you can hang out with anyone you want.

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Do you care that McCain liked to hang out with Charles Keating?

If you have radical ties that will not even get you basic security level clearance were you to apply to the FBI/CIA...


Run for pres!




I really missed out on life not having a racist communist mentor as a kid :(

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Originally Posted by Anti.Hero

If you have radical ties that will not even get you basic security level clearance were you to apply to the FBI/CIA...

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Do you have a list of those criteria handy?

god i wanna put a match ins palin's mouth, light it, and fart on her face. This bitch doesn't even know when to talk after all the shit shes done...

The repubs have stooped way too low, the election is already out of their hands.

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Originally Posted by TomBrady

We have 30 days left,...

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The term "October Surprise" exists for a reason.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

You also believe Bush is going to be on Mount Rushmore:rollin

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So, why did he not address his CAC years in his autobiographies? You asked me what my accusations were, and I answered with what I believe.

Where's your response?

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Do you care that McCain liked to hang out with Charles Keating?

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Yeah, I cared. He's apologized and spent his career since, making up for it. Obama won't even admit he has a relationship with Ayers and he's thrown just about everyone else under the bus from his grandmother to Wright.

So, why didn't he cover the CAC years in either of his two autobiographies? It really seems like a legitimate question to me.

Damn yoni, could you be any more desperate?

Try finding a real issue for once.

pitbull bitch makes up shit like McLame, neither one has a micogram of morals or ethics, or any reference to external norms, both have pathological solipsism

pitbull bitch thinks the whole process is joke that that she can wink and con-job her way through.

fucking embarrassing for McLame to insult the process and ridicule "country first"

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Yeah, I cared. He's apologized and spent his career since, making up for it. Obama won't even admit he has a relationship with Ayers and he's thrown just about everyone else under the bus from his grandmother to Wright.

So, why didn't he cover the CAC years in either of his two autobiographies? It really seems like a legitimate question to me.

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I really don't care yoni. And to be honest with you no one else does either. Wait, I stand corrected. Only hard the core neocons who are depserate to do anything to keep him from winning the WH care. Let's be honest. You just don't like him and will cling to anything that hurts him.

The actual question to Palin was: Can you name 5 US presidents from the 20th century?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

The actual question to Palin was: Can you name 5 US presidents from the 20th century?

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Now your playing gotcha journalism

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Now your playing gotcha journalism

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And it's just plain mean. You can't expect her to know that.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

I really don't care yoni. And to be honest with you no one else does either. Wait, I stand corrected. Only hard the core neocons who are depserate to do anything to keep him from winning the WH care. Let's be honest. You just don't like him and will cling to anything that hurts him.

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You don't care? Okay.

More like, you don't know of a plausible reason he would omit 6 years of his life, 6 years he's relying on heavily now, from his two -- that's right folks two -- autobiographies.

So, now we know, for GGA, it's Obama or bust...it doesn't matter what he's hiding or what he's been involved in. The Afro has made up his mind and goddamnit, it wouldn't matter, at this point, if Obama had taken an oath to Satan.

You're as incurious as the press.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

You don't care? Okay.

More like, you don't know of a plausible reason he would omit 6 years of his life, 6 years he's relying on heavily now, from his two -- that's right folks two -- autobiographies.

So, now we know, for GGA, it's Obama or bust...it doesn't matter what he's hiding or what he's been involved in. The Afro has made up his mind and goddamnit, it wouldn't matter, at this point, if Obama had taken an oath to Satan.

You're as incurious as the press.

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Were you concerened with your mount rushmore president's pastcocaine abuse? Past Alcohol abuse? The former CEOs penchant for overseeing failed companies?

By the way I was leaning towards McCain until he picked the hockey mom.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Were you concerened with your mount rushmore president's pastcocaine abuse? Past Alcohol abuse? The former CEOs penchant for overseeing failed companies?

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No. Besides, Obamas been there too...oh, except for never having been the CEO of anything.

So, why did he not include the CAC years in his two autobiographies?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

No. Besides, Obamas been there too...oh, except for never having been the CEO of anything.

So, why did he not include the CAC years in his two autobiographies?

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You've read both his books?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

No. Besides, Obamas been there too...oh, except for never having been the CEO of anything.

So, why did he not include the CAC years in his two autobiographies?

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Ok? You had no problem with a man who abused alcohol and drugs. Ran companies into the ground yet your concerned about a 23 yr old college student who know some old socialist guy? Or better yet. worried about a supposed relationship with an unrepetent terrorist? a relationship t has never been proven?

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

You've read both his books?

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Well certainly he has. You don't think he got his information from a right wing blog or anything do you?

Give me a break. Everyone knows John McCain cheated on his first wife with Cindy when he was a lot older than Obama was when he knew this guy. How they can be such hypocrits amazes me.

You can't even question a potential president about questionable ties to questionable people anymore.

We are fucked.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

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I'll take that as a, "no I haven't read either book. I'm getting my information from biased sources. I'm sorry I've been such a douchebag." Thanks for being honest Yoni.

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Originally Posted by Anti.Hero

You can't even question a potential president about questionable ties to questionable people anymore.

We are fucked.

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He's been asked. Over and over and over and over, and over ,and over. I have zero doubt that people like you a toni and have been digging four the last 6 months for ANYTHING to tie Obama to anyone of these guys.ZERO proof, but,but,but we just want to ask him about his past relationships.

Can ANYONE explain why McCain spent his 70th birthday on a boat rented out to a guy who was just sent to prison for fraud?

http://thesuperficial.com/2008/09/11..._mccain_00.JPG

Come on... ANYONE.

Or this:

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A few months after McCain's yacht party, Follieri strengthened his ties to McCain's orbit by retaining Rick Davis's well-connected Washington lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, and offering Davis both an investment deal and help in securing the Catholic vote for McCain's presidential bid.

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Mic check... anyone anyone...

Let's see... Obama spends time on a educational board in Chicago with a man who committed domestic terrorism acts when Obama was 8.

McCain spends his 70th birthday two years ago with a man who not only retained the lobbying firm of McCain's top aide and current co-manager of his campaign but was recently convicted and sentenced to prison for fraud.

Hmmm....

ANYONE?

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Originally Posted by Anti.Hero

You can't even question a potential president about questionable ties to questionable people anymore.

We are fucked.

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I just threw out some questions, let's see how fast you get up to the plate. :toast

See, here's the thing. Obama interacts with a man who committed crimes almost 40 years ago. The right wants to vilify him because, he talks and socializes with a man who committed crimes almost 40 YEARS AGO, so long ago most who are reading this weren't even born. So long ago, TV was still in standard black and white. So long ago, fuck, a long time ago.

McCain socialites with a man who at the time was committing crimes. He celebrates his birthday with the con man. Connects him with Davis and his lobbyist.

Yet, why is Obama constantly on the hot seat about "relationships?"

This thread has all of a sudden suffers from a lack of conservative participation?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

This thread has all of a sudden suffers from a lack of conservative participation?

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You refused to answer my question and then started babbling about President Bush's (not running for office in this election) alleged problems ...why should I participate anymore?

So, get me back in the game...why, exactly, do you believe Barak Obama failed to mention his 6 years at the CAC -- six years of experience he now claims is the qualifier for his executive experience -- in either of his two autobiographies.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

You refused to answer my question and then started babbling about President Bush's (not running for office in this election) alleged problems ...why should I participate anymore?

So, get me back in the game...why, exactly, do you believe Barak Obama failed to mention his 6 years at the CAC -- six years of experience he now claims is the qualifier for his executive experience -- in either of his two autobiographies.

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Maybe he should answer when you've answered my question (which you dodged). You've read both his books?

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

Maybe he should answer when you've answered my question (which you dodged). You've read both his books?

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Nope. But, if what I said were not true, someone would have disputed or refuted it. They haven't.

There, do you release him to answer mine?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

“I saw no evidence of a radical streak, either overt or covert, when we were together at Harvard Law School,” said Bradford A. Berenson, who worked on the Harvard Law Review with Mr. Obama and who served as associate White House counsel under President Bush. Mr. Berenson, who is backing Mr. McCain, described his fellow student as “a pragmatic liberal” whose moderation frustrated others at the law review whose views were much farther to the left.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us...%20%20LWzVGtPQ

Oh noes!

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As Obama is going to be our next president, I find this quote comforting.

Thanks, Chump.

Obama's rhetoric has been decidedly un-radical. His plan for healthcare, also, is reasonable, and not an over-reaching govt. power grab (I think he may get some backlash when the left figures this out).

Palin's quote, however "accurate" it might be, is not intelligent at this point in the race. It indicates desperation. It's not going to work, and is going to turn undecideds off. As much as the race for the WH, IMO, is over, McCain could still do a lot of damage to congressional races by running a ridiculous campaign to close this out.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Nope. But, if what I said were not true, someone would have disputed or refuted it. They haven't.

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Someone? Like Who? Where are you getting your information?

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

Someone? Like Who? Where are you getting your information?

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Sorry, that's question #2...get GGA to answer mine first.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Sorry, that's question #2...get GGA to answer mine first.

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I have no control over what he does. Since you don't get basic cable, I'm wondering where you get your information on books you have never read.

Oh, and speaking of desperation -- disgusting desperation:



I'm sure Obama will condemn these ads and ask they be pulled...

"I'm sure Obama will condemn these ads and ask they be pulled..."

Any lies in there?

While you're trying to remember where you heard about his books, why don't you go and read up on the U.S. Council for World Freedom. McCain sat on the board. It has been described as "extremist", "racist", and "anti-semitic". See what Joe Coors did.

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

I have no control over what he does. Since you don't get basic cable, I'm wondering where you get your information on books you have never read.

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Your previous post presumes otherwise, I think.

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

Maybe he should answer when you've answered my question (which you dodged). You've read both his books?

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Anyway, I'll move forward when he does. If you want to refute the substance of my claims, read the books yourself and report back.

Ayers was a Weatherman when Obama was less than 10 years old. Ayers went on to a productive, lawful life.

Keating was a criminal when McKeating was a Senator and pressuring regulators to lay off Keating, while frequently a guest of Keating in Bahamas. McKeating received official sanction from Congress. Keating went on to jail.

Does McLoser's camp really want to play the guilit-by-association game?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Your previous post presumes otherwise, I think.

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Then the whole "reading" and "understanding" concepts were lost on you.

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Anyway, I'll move forward when he does. If you want to refute the substance of my claims, read the books yourself and report back.

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:lol That's not how it works. The onus is on YOU to provide evidence of your claims. You still haven't said where you hear about substance of the books.

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

Then the whole "reading" and "understanding" concepts were lost on you.

:lol That's not how it works. The onus is on YOU to provide evidence of your claims. You still haven't said where you hear about substance of the books.

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Well, good luck with that whole defining how things work. Please, go forward with whatever punishment you intend to mete out for my insolence.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Well, good luck with that whole defining how things work. Please, go forward with whatever punishment you intend to mete out for my insolence.

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Hey I'm happy as long as you keep dodging questions. You continue to make yourself look like an ass.

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

Hey I'm happy as long as you keep dodging questions. You continue to make yourself look like an ass.

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Well, as long as your happy.

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

Can ANYONE explain why McCain spent his 70th birthday on a boat rented out to a guy who was just sent to prison for fraud?

http://thesuperficial.com/2008/09/11..._mccain_00.JPG

Come on... ANYONE.

Or this:



Mic check... anyone anyone...

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

Let's see... Obama spends time on a educational board in Chicago with a man who committed domestic terrorism acts when Obama was 8.

McCain spends his 70th birthday two years ago with a man who not only retained the lobbying firm of McCain's top aide and current co-manager of his campaign but was recently convicted and sentenced to prison for fraud.

Hmmm....

ANYONE?

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

Let's see... Obama spends time on a educational board in Chicago with a man who committed domestic terrorism acts when Obama was 8.

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Actually, by calling the Weathermen (or Weather Underground) a 60's radical organization, the New York Times article is either wrong or intentionally misrepresents the facts in order to provide cover and make idiots like you spout nonsense like this.

In fact, Barack Obama was 20 -- and already involved in his chosen ideological circles -- when the Weathermen committed their last act of terror, killing three people. And, given Obama's long association with Rezko, et. al. would seem to cancel whatever you think this means to McCain.

And, given that Ayers, as late as 2003, was still unrepentent and wished he had done more during his terrorist day -- is unpersuasive in making me believe he didn't harbor these same ideals and sentiments while he and Obama worked closely together at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

McCain spends his 70th birthday two years ago with a man who not only retained the lobbying firm of McCain's top aide and current co-manager of his campaign but was recently convicted and sentenced to prison for fraud.

Hmmm....

ANYONE?

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Well, I don't know the guy, the nature of his crime or the context in which McCain is seen with him. Please enlighten us.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Well, I don't know the guy, the nature of his crime or the context in which McCain is seen with him. Please enlighten us.

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How about McCain serving on the board of a group that has been described as "extremist", "racist", and "anti-Semitic"?

You know, I must say, I'm impressed at how many on the far left in here are able to tow the line on the Ayers cover-up. After all, William Ayers is somewhat of a hero to the far left. But, of course, is is a love that dare not speak its name -- particularly when the most liberal, far left, member of Congress is so close to capturing the brass ring.

But hey, Let’s cut through the crap. Why is he a hero?

The reason some on the Left love Bill Ayers is that he’s an unrepentant bomber who attacked the Pentagon to try to “end” the war — which is lefty lingo for losing the war.

He is a friend (sue me, if you're too blind by partisanship to see this) of Democrat Barack Obama, who launched his political career -- at his home -- and had him appointed to one of those lofty-sounding foundations that are really the old radicals working within the system.

They know if the public associates the two as friends, it is fatal to Obama’s campaign.

Personally, I'm glad Republican John McCain and his running mate plan to make that association.

But, the New York Times was ready to provide a needed inoculation against whatever fallout there may be. That's why they ran today's story that is basically Obama and Ayers saying they hardley know each other.

We’ll see if that works.

The Times called Ayers a 1960s bomber when in fact the bombings were began in 1970 and ended with the 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck which left two terrorists (named in the story) two police officers (not named) and a Brinks guard (also not named) dead.

Ayers famously said 20 years later in a story published in the New York Times on 9/11 that he has no regrets– other than that he did not cause more mayhem.

This was said not when Obama was 8 or 11 or 20 (when the Brinks robbery happened), but when Obama was 40. Ayers said this 6 years after he met Obama -- although there is some evidence they may have met much earlier -- and was working within the "system."

Some on the Left consider Ayers a hero.

Consider Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist Jane Smiley’s post on the Huffington Post. She argues that what Ayers did was no different than the bombings runs made by Republican John McCain.

She scoffs at the idea of patriotism. She hates the military. She hates McCain because he was in the military. And she loves Ayers because he not only hates the military, but he tried to blow it up.

On 9/11, there were 3 targets. One was the Pentagon and it was hit. I wonder if Ayers or Smiley were pleased.

And, for that reason, I wonder how close Obama is to these traitors. You should too.

"Ayers cover-up"

yonivore lies: there's nothing to cover up, neither about Ayers-HUSSEIN nor about Keating-McKeating

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

How about McCain serving on the board of a group that has been described as "extremist", "racist", and "anti-Semitic"?

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Being described as and actually being something are two different things. The Weathermen were not described as terrorists -- they were terrorists...terrorists that targeted America.

Plus, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

So, do you care to speculate about why Obama failed to discuss the CAC in his two books or should I wait for your review of the tomes?

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Being described as and actually being something are two different things. The Weathermen were not described as terrorists -- they were terrorists...terrorists that targeted America.

Plus, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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I already posted it. He served on the Board of The U.S. Council for World Freedom. The group has been described as being extreme. The man who founded it helped out the Contras. They were terrorists.

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So, do you care to speculate about why Obama failed to discuss the CAC in his two books or should I wait for your review of the tomes?

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No I don't care to answer because you obviously haven't read either book. Tell me where you heard about the substance in each and I'll consider it. Assuming your source isn't WND or Rush Limbaugh.

First, you have the New York Times with its inoculation of the Obama campain -- now you have the Associated Press providing cover by insinuating Governor Palin is a racist for even broaching the subject.

The AP's article is an "analysis" by one Douglass K. Daniel, described as "a writer and editor with the Washington bureau of The Associated Press." It has to be read to be believed:

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By claiming that Democrat Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists" and doesn't see the U.S. like other Americans, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted key goals for a faltering campaign. And though she may have scored a political hit each time, her attack was unsubstantiated and carried a racially tinged subtext that John McCain himself may come to regret. ...

Her reference to Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were "pals" or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career. ...

Palin's words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism. But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee "palling around" with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn't see their America?

In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers' day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate.

Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as "not like us" is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.

Most troubling, however, is how allowing racism to creep into the discussion serves McCain's purpose so well. ...

John McCain occasionally looks back on decisions with regret. He has apologized for opposing a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. He has apologized for refusing to call for the removal of a Confederate flag from South Carolina's Capitol.

When the 2008 campaign is over McCain might regret appeals such as Palin's perhaps more so if he wins.

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When the McCain campaign ran an ad that had a white woman in it, it was denounced as racist. When it ran an ad that had an African-American man (Franklin Raines) in it, it was denounced as racist. Now the McCain campaign links Obama to a white man, the former terrorist, and still anti-American, Bill Ayers. That's racist too. I think we've exhausted just about all the possibilities. The only non-racist thing McCain can do, apparently, is concede the election.

There once was a time when the Associated Press was a respected news-gathering agency. Some years ago, it began to abandon that mission in order to transform itself into a liberal advocacy organization. That transformation is now pretty much complete.

2008 will be remembered, I think, as the year in which the collapse of traditional American media became irreversible. The AP has plenty of company.

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I already posted it. He served on the Board of The U.S. Council for World Freedom. The group has been described as being extreme. The man who founded it helped out the Contras. They were terrorists.

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I'm sorry, I pay little attention to you unless you're addressing me directly and, even then, it's a crap shoot.

Described by whom?

And, the Weathermen are pretty much universally accepted as a terrorist organization.

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No I don't care to answer because you obviously haven't read either book. Tell me where you heard about the substance in each and I'll consider it. Assuming your source isn't WND or Rush Limbaugh.

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Okay, then don't.

Well, it wasn't WND or Rush -- neither of which do I read or listen.

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And, the Weathermen are pretty much universally accepted as a terrorist organization.

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You keep going back to the Weathermen. Fine. But you have nothing to say about John McCain's affiliations with a man who funded terrorism?!?!? For shame!

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You know, I must say, I'm impressed at how many on the far left in here are able to blah, blah, blah.

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Now Yoni has tried to steal the identity of Don Surber.

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber...yers-cover-up/

Yoni is a thief and a liar.

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You keep going back to the Weathermen. Fine. But you have nothing to say about John McCain's affiliations with a man who funded terrorism?!?!? For shame!

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Were they "terrorizing" Americans? Were they considered "terrorists" by everyone?

One man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighter, no? So, unless you're prepared to call the Weathermen "freedom fighters" (and that would beg explanation), there's no comparison between the two.

Plus, did McCain have a personal relationship with an unrepetent terrorist? Do tell.

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Were they "terrorizing" Americans? Were they considered "terrorists" by everyone?

One man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighter, no? So, unless you're prepared to call the Weathermen "freedom fighters" (and that would beg explanation), there's no comparison between the two.

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Wow. So because they didn't kill americans, they're not terrorists. I'm gonna stop talking to you now. I'll leave you with this:

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The record of the contras in the field, as opposed to their official professions of democratic faith, is one of consistent and bloody abuse of human rights, of murder, torture, mutilation, rape, arson, destruction and kidnapping

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It's obvious the Annenberg Challenge was designed to indoctrinate little terra-ists to bomb government installations, banks, local hockey rinks, American car dealerships and Cracker Barrel restaurants nationwide. I mean look at at all the radicals it produced -- the Weather Underground now has tens of thousands of members ready to kill you and everyone you love.

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I'm gonna stop talking to you now.

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Yeah, right...promises, promises.

So, were the Salvadoran guerrillas -- supported by the Sandinistas -- terrorists?

Gets kinda muddy. The Weathermen, on the other had, are distinctly terrorists -- terrorists that targeted our families...

Yeah, there's a big difference.

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Well, I don't know the guy, the nature of his crime or the context in which McCain is seen with him. Please enlighten us.

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Quit being lazy and look it up.

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

Quit being lazy and look it up.

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Color me incurious.

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You know, I must say, I'm impressed at how many on the far left in here are able to tow the line on the Ayers cover-up. After all, William Ayers is somewhat of a hero to the far left. But, of course, is is a love that dare not speak its name -- particularly when the most liberal, far left, member of Congress is so close to capturing the brass ring.

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Considering I'm more of a liberal independent than a straight up democrat, I find it quite funny that you can generalize anyone that doesn't see a "cover up" or any real big issue story with Obama and Ayers, as someone who considers Ayers a hero. You're such a whack job it isn't funny.

Maybe

But hey, Let’s cut through the crap. Why is he a hero?

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He is a friend (sue me, if you're too blind by partisanship to see this) of Democrat Barack Obama, who launched his political career -- at his home -- and had him appointed to one of those lofty-sounding foundations that are really the old radicals working within the system.

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So you can't be a acquittance with someone who committed crimes in the far past without being guilty by proxy? Unless Obama helped Ayers commit more crimes when they were "paling around", THIS IS A NON-ISSUE.

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They know if the public associates the two as friends, it is fatal to Obama’s campaign.

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How long has this been going around? FOX News can't stop trying to pair the two together for the life of them. Hell, what about the big media storm Wright caused? Hasn't hurt Obama at all.

Though I will predict that if McCain and Palin keep this up it will tremendously hurt them.

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Personally, I'm glad Republican John McCain and his running mate plan to make that association.

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No one is surprised. You're one drop below scrum yourself.

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Color me incurious.

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Color me shocked...