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Originally Posted by Shastafarian
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Well, as long as your happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
Actually, by calling the Weathermen (or Weather Underground) a 60's radical organization, the New York Times article is either wrong or intentionally misrepresents the facts in order to provide cover and make idiots like you spout nonsense like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
In fact, Barack Obama was 20 -- and already involved in his chosen ideological circles -- when the Weathermen committed their last act of terror, killing three people. And, given Obama's long association with Rezko, et. al. would seem to cancel whatever you think this means to McCain.
And, given that Ayers, as late as 2003, was still unrepentent and wished he had done more during his terrorist day -- is unpersuasive in making me believe he didn't harbor these same ideals and sentiments while he and Obama worked closely together at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
Well, I don't know the guy, the nature of his crime or the context in which McCain is seen with him. Please enlighten us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
How about McCain serving on the board of a group that has been described as "extremist", "racist", and "anti-Semitic"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
You know, I must say, I'm impressed at how many on the far left in here are able to tow the line on the Ayers cover-up. After all, William Ayers is somewhat of a hero to the far left. But, of course, is is a love that dare not speak its name -- particularly when the most liberal, far left, member of Congress is so close to capturing the brass ring.
But hey, Let’s cut through the crap. Why is he a hero?
The reason some on the Left love Bill Ayers is that he’s an unrepentant bomber who attacked the Pentagon to try to “end” the war — which is lefty lingo for losing the war.
He is a friend (sue me, if you're too blind by partisanship to see this) of Democrat Barack Obama, who launched his political career -- at his home -- and had him appointed to one of those lofty-sounding foundations that are really the old radicals working within the system.
They know if the public associates the two as friends, it is fatal to Obama’s campaign.
Personally, I'm glad Republican John McCain and his running mate plan to make that association.
But, the New York Times was ready to provide a needed inoculation against whatever fallout there may be. That's why they ran today's story that is basically Obama and Ayers saying they hardley know each other.
We’ll see if that works.
The Times called Ayers a 1960s bomber when in fact the bombings were began in 1970 and ended with the 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck which left two terrorists (named in the story) two police officers (not named) and a Brinks guard (also not named) dead.
Ayers famously said 20 years later in a story published in the New York Times on 9/11 that he has no regrets– other than that he did not cause more mayhem.
This was said not when Obama was 8 or 11 or 20 (when the Brinks robbery happened), but when Obama was 40. Ayers said this 6 years after he met Obama -- although there is some evidence they may have met much earlier -- and was working within the "system."
Some on the Left consider Ayers a hero.
Consider Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist Jane Smiley’s post on the Huffington Post. She argues that what Ayers did was no different than the bombings runs made by Republican John McCain.
She scoffs at the idea of patriotism. She hates the military. She hates McCain because he was in the military. And she loves Ayers because he not only hates the military, but he tried to blow it up.
On 9/11, there were 3 targets. One was the Pentagon and it was hit. I wonder if Ayers or Smiley were pleased.
And, for that reason, I wonder how close Obama is to these traitors. You should too.
"Ayers cover-up"
yonivore lies: there's nothing to cover up, neither about Ayers-HUSSEIN nor about Keating-McKeating
Being described as and actually being something are two different things. The Weathermen were not described as terrorists -- they were terrorists...terrorists that targeted America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Plus, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
So, do you care to speculate about why Obama failed to discuss the CAC in his two books or should I wait for your review of the tomes?
I already posted it. He served on the Board of The U.S. Council for World Freedom. The group has been described as being extreme. The man who founded it helped out the Contras. They were terrorists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
No I don't care to answer because you obviously haven't read either book. Tell me where you heard about the substance in each and I'll consider it. Assuming your source isn't WND or Rush Limbaugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
First, you have the New York Times with its inoculation of the Obama campain -- now you have the Associated Press providing cover by insinuating Governor Palin is a racist for even broaching the subject.
The AP's article is an "analysis" by one Douglass K. Daniel, described as "a writer and editor with the Washington bureau of The Associated Press." It has to be read to be believed:
When the McCain campaign ran an ad that had a white woman in it, it was denounced as racist. When it ran an ad that had an African-American man (Franklin Raines) in it, it was denounced as racist. Now the McCain campaign links Obama to a white man, the former terrorist, and still anti-American, Bill Ayers. That's racist too. I think we've exhausted just about all the possibilities. The only non-racist thing McCain can do, apparently, is concede the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Associated Press
There once was a time when the Associated Press was a respected news-gathering agency. Some years ago, it began to abandon that mission in order to transform itself into a liberal advocacy organization. That transformation is now pretty much complete.
2008 will be remembered, I think, as the year in which the collapse of traditional American media became irreversible. The AP has plenty of company.
I'm sorry, I pay little attention to you unless you're addressing me directly and, even then, it's a crap shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Described by whom?
And, the Weathermen are pretty much universally accepted as a terrorist organization.
Okay, then don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Well, it wasn't WND or Rush -- neither of which do I read or listen.
You keep going back to the Weathermen. Fine. But you have nothing to say about John McCain's affiliations with a man who funded terrorism?!?!? For shame!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Now Yoni has tried to steal the identity of Don Surber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Yonivore
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber...yers-cover-up/
Yoni is a thief and a liar.
Were they "terrorizing" Americans? Were they considered "terrorists" by everyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
One man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighter, no? So, unless you're prepared to call the Weathermen "freedom fighters" (and that would beg explanation), there's no comparison between the two.
Plus, did McCain have a personal relationship with an unrepetent terrorist? Do tell.
Wow. So because they didn't kill americans, they're not terrorists. I'm gonna stop talking to you now. I'll leave you with this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
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The record of the contras in the field, as opposed to their official professions of democratic faith, is one of consistent and bloody abuse of human rights, of murder, torture, mutilation, rape, arson, destruction and kidnapping
It's obvious the Annenberg Challenge was designed to indoctrinate little terra-ists to bomb government installations, banks, local hockey rinks, American car dealerships and Cracker Barrel restaurants nationwide. I mean look at at all the radicals it produced -- the Weather Underground now has tens of thousands of members ready to kill you and everyone you love.
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Originally Posted by Shastafarian
So, were the Salvadoran guerrillas -- supported by the Sandinistas -- terrorists?
Gets kinda muddy. The Weathermen, on the other had, are distinctly terrorists -- terrorists that targeted our families...
Yeah, there's a big difference.
Quit being lazy and look it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
Considering I'm more of a liberal independent than a straight up democrat, I find it quite funny that you can generalize anyone that doesn't see a "cover up" or any real big issue story with Obama and Ayers, as someone who considers Ayers a hero. You're such a whack job it isn't funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Maybe
But hey, Let’s cut through the crap. Why is he a hero?
So you can't be a acquittance with someone who committed crimes in the far past without being guilty by proxy? Unless Obama helped Ayers commit more crimes when they were "paling around", THIS IS A NON-ISSUE.Quote:
He is a friend (sue me, if you're too blind by partisanship to see this) of Democrat Barack Obama, who launched his political career -- at his home -- and had him appointed to one of those lofty-sounding foundations that are really the old radicals working within the system.
How long has this been going around? FOX News can't stop trying to pair the two together for the life of them. Hell, what about the big media storm Wright caused? Hasn't hurt Obama at all.Quote:
They know if the public associates the two as friends, it is fatal to Obama’s campaign.
Though I will predict that if McCain and Palin keep this up it will tremendously hurt them.
No one is surprised. You're one drop below scrum yourself.Quote:
Personally, I'm glad Republican John McCain and his running mate plan to make that association.
Color me shocked...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore