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For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/N...Y&pageId=3.2.1
Thousands Flock to Carson to Hear Sarah Palin
Last Edited: Saturday, 04 Oct 2008, 11:08 PM PDT
Created: Saturday, 04 Oct 2008, 7:31 PM PDT
Republican vice presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, speaks during a rally in Carson, Calif., Saturday, Oct. 4, 2008. SideBar
Carson -- Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin praised running mate John McCain and criticized Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama Saturday while spelling out goals of a McCain-Palin administration during a speech at The Home Depot Center.
A enthusiastic crowd estimated by Home Depot Center officials to be between 15,000 and 20,000 jammed the Carson facility's tennis stadium -- whose capacity is around 8,000 -- and an overflow area for a rare general election public appearance in Southern California by a major party presidential or vice presidential candidate.
In a 25-minute speech, interrupted about 20 times by applause, Palin demonstrated a folksy and feisty manner that seemingly had disappeared during a much-criticized interview with CBS anchor Katie Couric.
In her first visit to Southern California since McCain named her as his running mate Aug. 29, the Alaska governor said her father was born in Los Angeles and her paternal grandfather was a photographer who lived in North Hollywood.
"His specialty was taking photographs of boxers," Palin said. "I learned from him there are times it is necessary, there is a time to take the gloves off and that time is right now."
When Palin was heckled, she responded, "My son is over in Iraq now fighting for the freedoms that person is exercising."
What was dubbed as a "Victory '08 Campaign Rally" made a determined effort to build support among women for the McCain-Palin ticket.
Palin was introduced by Shelly Mandell, president of the Los Angeles Chapter of the National Organization for Women, who described herself as a lifelong Democrat.
In rarity for a Republican event, Mandell bragged about her efforts campaigning for the failed Equal Rights Amendment in the 1970s and her support for Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 1984.
"I know Sarah Palin cares about women's rights," Mandell said. "As vice president, she will fight for you. She cares about our children and she cares about women's lives."
In another rarity for a major party national candidate, Palin discussed a quotation she found on a cup of coffee from Starbucks Friday by former Secretary of State Madeline Albright, a Democrat who served in the Clinton Administration.
"`There's a place hell reserved for women who don't support other women,' " Palin quoted."Let's see how that comment is turned into whatever it's turned into in tomorrow's papers."
Palin also made reference to a question she received from Couric about what newspapers and magazines she reads.
"I was reading a copy of The New York Times," Palin said, with the newspaper's name drawing boos. "I was really interested to read in there about Barack Obama's friends in Chicago."
Palin was referring to a front-page story on William Ayers, who participated in bombings of New York City Police Headquarters, the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon in the early 1970s, and later become a college professor who was associated with Obama during a 1990s school reform effort in Chicago. "Our opponent is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country," Palin said amid another chorus of boos.
She also drew distinctions between the Republican and Democratic tickets on foreign policy, energy and taxation, expressing Republican support for victories in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, encouraging domestic energy production and supporting lower taxes.
California Democratic Party communications director Brian Brokaw told City News Service, "What we heard today comes as no surprise. Sarah Palin and John McCain have announced that they'll be throwing more punches in the coming weeks, which is just another sign that they are losing ground all over the country.
"They will be smearing Obama so that they don't have to talk about McCain's dismal economic record. But voters will see through their desperate tactics."
As Palin spoke, a giant mobile screen outside, sponsored by the California Democratic Party showed questions "Palin refuses to address (or is perhaps unable to address)" while about 100 to 200 Obama supporters held signs and shouted.
Major party presidential and vice presidential candidates rarely make public appearances in California during the general election campaign because it is considered a safe Democratic state. Most prefer to concentrate on the so- called battleground states.
When candidates do come to California, the trips are usually for fundraisers.
Palin was scheduled to attend a fundraiser in Costa Mesa following the Carson speech and is also scheduled to attend a fundraiser Sunday in the Bay Area.
At the Home Depot Center, Palin spoke at an event where all the tickets were free because "California has been a very important state to Senator McCain" playing an "integral part of his success in the primaries" and to thank volunteers who "have just been tremendous" in their efforts on behalf of the Republican Party, said Rick Gorka, a McCain-Palin campaign regional communications director.
"The amount of work that they've been putting into the McCain-Palin campaign is incredible," Gorka said. "This is a great opportunity for folks to come see Gov. Palin so she can thank them and show her appreciation for all the hard work they do."
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
I watched a local news broadcast there as well...they said it was over 30k.
Remember when you said she was cancelling because of a lack of interest Dan?
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
Shit... I guess California's going red with New York and DC!
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All the OC soccer and stay home OC moms flocked over there.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
Orange County is Blood Red Republican. Palin campaigns in a solidly blue state, McCain takes the weekend off...meanwhile Obama holds a rally in Virginia.
:tu to the brilliant tactical genius of the McCain campaign
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Damn, they're dispatching Palin to keep Omaha's one electoral vote:
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pag...u_sid=10450797
McCain's only path to victory is to successfully defend all Bush states minus Iowa and New Mexico. Good luck with that
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Findog
Orange County is Blood Red Republican. Palin campaigns in a solidly blue state, McCain takes the weekend off...meanwhile Obama holds a rally in Virginia.
:tu to the brilliant tactical genius of the McCain campaign
LOL. Orange County is maybe the most conservative place in the country. OC makes every part of TX look bluer than Hoover Street.
Carson is right on the south end of LA county too. It might as well be OC.
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baseline bum
LOL. Orange County is maybe the most conservative place in the country. OC makes every part of TX look bluer than Hoover Street.
McCain spent two days in Iowa last week. What the fuck is Steve Schmidt thinking?
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baseline bum
LOL. Orange County is maybe the most conservative place in the country. OC makes every part of TX look bluer than Hoover Street.
You'll probably find a couple of private jet owners there, whottt...but they don't bitch about global warming.
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baseline bum
Shit... I guess California's going red with New York and DC!
Dude...California is red except for LA and a few of the Ocean front counties. Look at the 2004 Electoral Map:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pag.../00/index.html
LA is just about the bluest county in the state...if she's pulling that kind of overflow crowd in the heart of the Democratic stronghold...you got problems in the rest of the state....
We'll see how the rally today goes.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
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whottt
Dude...California is red except for LA and a few of the Ocean front counties. Look at the 2004 Electoral Map:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pag.../00/index.html
LA is just about the bluest county in the state...if she's pulling that kind of overflow crowd in the heart of the Democratic stronghold...you got problems in the rest of the state....
We'll see how the rally today goes.
You're fucking reaching so hard here. Carson is right down at the bottom of the county near the OC.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
I'm more interested in the increased numbers of young and black voters Barack Obama will draw to the election, or even in the increase of people in those groups actually registering to vote, than Sarah Palin drawing enough people to fill an arena twice over for a rally.
WGAF if she attracted twenty thousand people to a rally. When Obama came to Texas State, I know people who walked three miles or so from their houses or apartments to see him speak and couldn't get closer than the sidewalk to hear him speak at wherever he was speaking. I didn't get a chance to go because I started seeing the lines form at 3PM and decided I didn't want to compete with people who wanted to hear him speak that badly.
Getting people to come to a rally is one thing, getting them to vote for you is another.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
"California is red except for LA and a few of the Ocean front counties"
except? :lol
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boutons_
"California is red except for LA and a few of the Ocean front counties"
except? :lol
LOL... in other words, all the unpopulated deserts are red. Did you hear? Bush swept the entire Sierras in 2004. If only there were as many registered voters as there are bears in the area.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
whottt, should we put California in McCain's column? Is that another prediction of yours?
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According to whottt, Obama will barely manage to retain Hawaii, DC and Illinois. Every other state in the union goes for McCain.
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PixelPusher
You'll probably find a couple of private jet owners there, whottt...but they don't bitch about global warming.
Makes all the difference in the world. People who own private jets shouldn't bitch about global warming. Ever.
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baseline bum
LOL... in other words, all the unpopulated deserts are red. Did you hear? Bush swept the entire Sierras in 2004. If only there were as many registered voters as there are bears in the area.
Complete missed the point...California can't get any bluer in those areas...it can only get redder.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
OK. I just have to ask.
Whottt, you push awfully hard to convince people McCain/Palin will win.
I wish/hope you're right.
But do you REALLY believe the things you say, or are you trying to convince yourself you're right?
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
Not that I'd expect you to admit you don't believe it...but still...
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Originally Posted by
SpursFanFirst
OK. I just have to ask.
Whottt, you push awfully hard to convince people McCain/Palin will win.
I wish/hope you're right.
But do you REALLY believe the things you say, or are you trying to convince yourself you're right?
My guess he is between relationships right now.
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whottt
Complete missed the point...California can't get any bluer in those areas...it can only get redder.
Dumbass... the point is, the places in California that are red that can go "redder" are low populated areas.
Basically.
THEY WON'T MAKE A SQUAT OF DIFFERENCE.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
I don't think Whottt is going to answer me.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
:lol :lol 10 Million plus in LA County by itself not to mention how repub Orange County is. 20k is a drop in the bucket compared to that.
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whottt
Complete missed the point...California can't get any bluer in those areas...it can only get redder.
Come on whottt do you really think cali will get redder?? Even San Diego a historically republican county is getting bluer. No way does any repub stand a chance in a presidential race. The only repubs left are Orange County and the desert rats. Cali is about as liberal as it gets.
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baseline bum
LOL... in other words, all the unpopulated deserts are red. Did you hear? Bush swept the entire Sierras in 2004. If only there were as many registered voters as there are bears in the area.
:lol :lol
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
If Sarah Palin were on the Democratic side, the Republicans would be absolutely decimating her right now. She is a bubble-headed, unqualified hack. Her prescence on the ticket speaks to nothing other than a Neocon philosophy that Americans, at least a majority of them, are complete fucking morons.
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SpursFanFirst
OK. I just have to ask.
Whottt, you push awfully hard to convince people McCain/Palin will win.
I wish/hope you're right.
Um..the impetus of this thread was a post by Nbadan when Palin cancelled her original California rallies the allusion of which was that it was due to a lack of interest.
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But do you REALLY believe the things you say,
If I get into an extended argument about something I most certainly do believe what I am saying.
And my opinion is always an informed one in a heated argument.
It's usually about 10 times more informed than those I am arguing with.
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or are you trying to convince yourself you're right?
Um...I argue because I am concvinced I'm right, not because I'm trying to convince myself I'm right.
Besides, what would I gain from doing that?
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whottt
If I get into an extended argument about something I most certainly do believe what I am saying.
And my opinion is always an informed one in a heated argument.
It's usually about 10 times more informed than those I am arguing with.
:rollin
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whottt
It's usually about 10 times more informed than those I am arguing with.
Like when you tried to skew stats to say Robinson > Jordan, but then throw numbers out the window and go with some gut feeling in saying McCain will not only beat Obama, but beat him in a landslide?
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Here you go SFF:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=107
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Originally Posted by Nbadan
Not sure what this means, but with McCain-Palin slipping in the polls, Palin is canceling events left and right..
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Today comes word of... a rash of cancellations of Palin events. Has the Barracuda been gaffed? Or is it more gaffes they fear? Or maybe they've just realized they can't fill a venue without the Wasilla Cannonball on the card?
Either way, suddenly Sarah's ducking more events than Todd's ducking subpoenas. In swing and non-swing states alike. What's going on?
Two cancellations in Florida.
Two in California.
Two in Washington state.
At least one in Colorado.
Link
The whottt reponse then and there on September 20th:
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Originally Posted by whottt
It means they are focusing on the midwest battleground states...
The events in California and Washington are fundraisers...the California one has definitely been rescheduled......check the crowds she's drawing if you think she's having problems.
Bascially on this board....I continually have people laughing at me because they think I'm in last place...but really everyone else is lapped.
Granted my posts are filled with typos and other errors...but that's not really the point, the point is the content, not the packaging.
Feel free to read some of my old arguments...same shit...me making what to me are common sense statements and being told I am an idiot. Then everyone gets owned and chalks it up to luck or flat out buries it.
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As for my predictions...my predictions were always about what was going to be happening by November...not the week after she was nominated. That she had that kind of impact right after her nomination was way beyond my expectations. Every one seems to think I jumped the gun...au contraire, the gun jumped me.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
The problem with this board is rigidness of thought and mental inflexibility...these mofos haven't done near enough hallucenogenics(a natural part of the individual mental evolution of human beings and the basis for basically all civilization and spirituality)....whereas I have done enough to last several lifetimes.
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whottt
The problem with this board is rigidness of thought and mental inflexibility...these mofos haven't done near enough hallucenogenics(a natural part of the individual mental evolution of human beings and the basis for basically all civilization and spirituality)....whereas I have done enough to last several lifetimes.
About the only thing I like about you. Too bad it seems to have bypassed your spiritual and humane side. Not to mention critical thinking :lol
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baseline bum
Like when you tried to skew stats to say Robinson > Jordan, but then throw numbers out the window and go with some gut feeling in saying McCain will not only beat Obama, but beat him in a landslide?
Faulty recollection on your part...while I do think Drob carried a team better than MJ ever could...
A point easily borne out by MJ's team making the playoffs and taking the eventual finalists 7 games without him...while Drob's team posted the worst single season turnaround in NBA history without him...
The main point I was making was that Drob would whip MJ's ass in a game of 1 on 1...get freaking serious, of course he would. MJ wouldn't be able to stop him. Always bet on the big man in 1 on 1...especially when he's got the talent of Drob.
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whottt
A point easily borne out by MJ's team making the playoffs and taking the eventual finalists 7 games without him...while Drob's team posted the worst single season turnaround in NBA history without him...
This doesn't even make sense but I assume you're talking about DRob being injured in 1996/1997 and the Spurs having a horrible record. The next season they had the best turn around (until Boston this year). You're right. Though you conveniently forgot to mention they drafted a young man named Tim Duncan.
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whottt
Faulty recollection on your part...while I do think Drob carried a team better than MJ ever could...
A point easily borne out by MJ's team making the playoffs and taking the eventual finalists 7 games without him...while Drob's team posted the worst single season turnaround in NBA history without him...
The main point I was making was that Drob would whip MJ's ass in a game of 1 on 1...get freaking serious, of course he would. MJ wouldn't be able to stop him. Always bet on the big man in 1 on 1...especially when he's got the talent of Drob.
You're the humongous moron who said Coyote > Robinson in terms of impact on the Spurs and SA.
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Buddy Holly
You're the humongous moron who said Coyote > Robinson in terms of impact on the Spurs and SA.
But he has a more informed opinion than anyone else he argues with. For realz.
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Purple & Gold
About the only thing I like about you. Too bad it seems to have bypassed your spiritual and humane side. Not to mention critical thinking :lol
In what way was my humane side bypassed? Because I think the cause of terrorism is people trapped under rule so inhumane that religious fanatacism is the only escape from hell they have? That is what causes it. No free press is a big part of the problem as well.
Socialism? MF, I am the poorest and least materialistic dude on this forum...material gain just doesn't mean that much to me. Socialism is the ultimate in greed and hypochrisy, it's the ultimate class separation....and the sickest part of it is that people will trade their individual freedom for a lie because of their greed.
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whottt, this prediction of a McCain landslide is on par with your call that Cleveland would beat the Spurs in the 07 Finals. How'd that one work out?
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Buddy Holly
You're the humongous moron who said Coyote > Robinson in terms of impact on the Spurs and SA.
Never said it...you weren't even on the forum when exstatic made that post. Please don't act like you were.
You know what that was? That was people saying I am saying DC is going red. Exact same bullshit.
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baseline bum
whottt, this prediction of a McCain landslide is on par with your call that Cleveland would beat the Spurs in the 07 Finals. How'd that one work out?
I said Cleveland would win 4-1 if Pop tried to guard Lebron with Finley...something he had tried to do all season. I said if Bruce could stop LeBron we'd sweep them. Where I was wrong was mainly what Pop would do...Pop didn't try to guard LeBron with Finley....
I am wrong about what Pop will do more than I am any other single thing on this forum. That's why I always bet against him...because he proves me wrong every time I do it.
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whottt
In what way was my humane side bypassed? Because I think the cause of terrorism is people trapped under rule so inhumane that religious fanatacism is the only escape from hell they have?
Socialism? MF, I am the poorest and least materialistic dude on this forum...material gain just doesn't mean that much to me. Socialism is the ultimate in greed and hypochrisy, it's the ultimate class separation....and the sickest part of it is that people will trade their individual freedom for a lie because of their greed.
I agree with part 1, but anybody that doesn't think all people deserve the right to healthcare are inhumane in my opinion.
Explain to me how socialism is the ultimate in greed and hypochrisy, and the ultimate in class separation. I find that hard to believe.
Bear in mind that I believe a mix of socialism and capitalism is the best. And please don't confuse socialism with communism. They are two different things.
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whottt
I said Cleveland would win 4-1 if Pop tried to guard Lebron with Finley...something he had tried to do all season. I said if Bruce could stop LeBron we'd sweep them. Where I was wrong was mainly what Pop would do...Pop didn't try to guard LeBron with Finley....
I am wrong about what Pop will do more than I am any other single thing on this forum. That's why I always bet against him...because he proves me wrong every time I do it.
Don't fucking lie and make up excuses. You flat out predicted a Spurs loss.
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Findog
According to whottt, Obama will barely manage to retain Hawaii, DC and Illinois. Every other state in the union goes for McCain.
To be honest I think Whottt could give two shits about what happens with McCain right now. I think he is just excited over Palin more than anything else and all the attention she draws.
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whottt
Socialism? MF, I am the poorest and least materialistic dude on this forum...material gain just doesn't mean that much to me. Socialism is the ultimate in greed and hypochrisy, it's the ultimate class separation....and the sickest part of it is that people will trade their individual freedom for a lie because of their greed.
You realize to be humble you can't claim you are the humblest person alive right? I would wager you use this as an excuse for what I would guess is a dead-end job and low wages.
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Having police is socialist too. Police response should be a pay as you use it system too I guess.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
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whottt
Here you go SFF:
Bascially on this board....I continually have people laughing at me because they think I'm in last place...but really everyone else is lapped.
Granted my posts are filled with typos and other errors...but that's not really the point, the point is the content, not the packaging.
Feel free to read some of my old arguments...same shit...me making what to me are common sense statements and being told I am an idiot. Then everyone gets owned and chalks it up to luck or flat out buries it.
I've read LOTS of your posts. I've been on this site for a couple of years now.
I actually enjoy reading your posts.
I just disagree about McCain/Palin winning.
I actually think Obama is going to win by a large margin. :depressed
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Purple & Gold
I agree with part 1, but anybody that doesn't think all people deserve the right to healthcare are inhumane in my opinion.
Explain to me how socialism is the ultimate in greed and hypochrisy, and the ultimate in class separation. I find that hard to believe.
Bear in mind that I believe a mix of socialism and capitalism is the best. And please don't confuse socialism with communism. They are two different things.
You know what...we can have this debate in a thread devoted to it...it's a long debate. For right now I'll just say that no one has the right to force someone to do something they don't want to do.
You know what socialists should do? The wealthy socialists should get together with the poor socialists, and the wealthy should redistribute their wealth to them without the aid of the government...I am all in favor of that kind of socialism...
So why don't the wealthy socialists do that?
They alway seem to be advocating it for everyone but themselves....and playing on the feelings of lacking among the poor.
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baseline bum
Don't fucking lie and make up excuses. You flat out predicted a Spurs loss.
I'll give you the quote as soon as the search function starts working again.
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Purple & Gold
Come on whottt do you really think cali will get redder?? Even San Diego a historically republican county is getting bluer. No way does any repub stand a chance in a presidential race. The only repubs left are Orange County and the desert rats. Cali is about as liberal as it gets.
Sincerely, Arnie
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whottt
You know what...we can have this debate in a thread devoted to it...it's a long debate. For right now I'll just say that no one has the right to force someone to do something they don't want to do.
You know what socialists should do? The wealthy socialists should get together with the poor socialists, and the wealthy should redistribute their wealth to them without the aid of the government...I am all in favor of that kind of socialism...
So why don't the wealthy socialists do that?
They alway seem to be advocating it for everyone but themselves....and playing on the feelings of lacking among the poor.
So nobody should be forced to do what they don't want to? Nobody should be forced to pay any taxes, adhere to driving laws, EPA standards, health and safety standards? Where exactly does it end? Because no matter how much acid or mushrooms you ate you should realize that some things should be forced on people.
Actually many wealthy socialists (as well as non-socialists) do just that and redistribute their wealth in the form of charitable contributions and foundations. Fact is that if not everybody is involved that money is just a drop in the bucket and doesn't really change the situation. For you to say they don't do that is just dishonest and not true. How about actually talking in truths instead of just your "gut feelings" or how you perceive things.
But I agree we'll leave this to another thread for another day.
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whottt
Sincerely, Arnie
:lmao @ you calling Arnie more of a repub than a celebrity. Tell me how all of his policies that were left to the people to vote on did? He was a celebrity that ran against a weak field during a horrible governors term. Right place, right name, right time. Hilarious that you're trying to use it to say Cali is going red. Might want to know more about California politics and voting attitude before you start commenting on it.
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Supporters rally for both campaigns
by Leyla Santiago
Saturday, October 4, 2008
ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Another weekend, another rally.
Supporters for both the McCain-Palin campaign and for the Obama-Biden ticket voiced their opinions Saturday.
Both campaigns held rallies in downtown Anchorage at the same time.
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Obama organizers said they had about 1,200 supporters at their rally. The Republican Party said about 300 supporters attended Palin's rally.
According to whottt-o-metrics of correlating rally turnouts to electoral turnouts, Obama wins Alaska in a landslide.
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whottt
Sincerely, Arnie
The same Arnie that is begging Paulson to bail out his state because he doesn't have enough money to pay salaries next month? I'm sure that's going to reflect real well on Republicans. I'm sure all those unpaid state employees are going to vote red... :rolleyes
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whottt
Here's one of your quotes:
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Originally Posted by whott
I think we are capable of winning...with help, but I don't think we're going to...
I am the voice of doubt here...I want see a convincing argument for why we will win...impress me.
And I want to be wrong. I have an entire year invested the season...I don't want it to end with our
first finals loss...
I just haven't yet seen a why we will win argument that has as much thought put into it as my why we
probably won't argument.
Go ahead impress me...saying the regular season doesn't count isn't it...
Neither is saying Bruce is going to shut LeBron down.
Put some thought into it...and come up with something someone hasn't said yet...
Don't just give me, we're going to win because the Cavs suck and we're the Spurs and the regular season
doesn't matter.
I guess the we're going to win because the Cavs suck and we're the Spurs argument was the right one.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
For those of you trying to figure whottt out....he just likes the attention.
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baseline bum
Don't fucking lie and make up excuses. You flat out predicted a Spurs loss.
Thread predicting the loss and asking for a title bet:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=Finley
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Originally Posted by whottt
This team will not win a title with Finley playing major minutes
It was all about Finley and Barry and that Finley was going to choke in the Finals and Pop would keep playing him.
Finley did choke like ass in the finals....but Pop DID NOT give him major minutes.
Comments on Bruce:
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Originally Posted by whottt
If Bruce holds LeBron into the realm of mortals in this series...he deserves the finals MVP...I don't G a F how many points Duncan scores...Bruce has the toughest job.David>Goliath
Thread:
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Originally Posted by timvp
Believe in Bruce Bowen
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...e+Bowen&page=2
Yes I bet against the Spurs, and in truth I actually did think the Spurs were going to lose. But not because it was impossible for them to win. That's the whole reason I made the bet.
1. Because Pop was going to keep playing Finley.
2. Because Bruce wouldn't be able to stop LeBron.
I was right about Finley and wrong about Pop and Bruce.
Bruce is probably the other topic I've been the most wrong on on this forum. I've been saying age was going to catch up to him since 2004.
It wasn't as black and white as you want it to be.
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baseline bum
Here's one of your quotes:
I guess the we're going to win because the Cavs suck and we're the Spurs argument was the right one.
From the same thread:
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Originally Posted by
whottt
I just think people expect too much of Bruce...he's a phenomenal defender...but he's still only 200lbs dripping wet.
Put it this way...
If Bruce can defend him?
I have no doubts we will win this series...
And Bruce Bowen will deserve the finals MVP...
Go for it Bruce...we're all rooting for you.
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And I will say this...I don't think Bruce can physically matchup with LeBron...but if he somehow all of a sudden can, defend him as well as he can...say, Kobe?
This series is over. That changes everything, I don't see that happening though...I see it being a lot more like it is when Bruce plays against TMac.
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So you called the Spurs to lose in a series they won decisively. Palin's looking a lot like those Cavs.
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baseline bum
So you called the Spurs to lose in a series they won decisively. Palin's looking a lot like those Cavs.
I didn't predict a Spurs loss anywhere in that thread you linked to. I was discussing doubt...but I made no prediction.
I predicted the loss in that link I provided, and the reasoning behind it was pretty sound as was my motivation for the bet.
Finley did choke like a fucking bitch in that series.
You notice I haven't bet on this election, not even a sig bet?
That's because I don't need to :smokin
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Originally Posted by whot
I think we are capable of winning...with help, but I don't think we're going to...
Sounds like a prediction to me.
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
Actually, I was wrong to compare Palin to the Cavs. She reminds me more of Jerome James.
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
Sounds like a prediction to me.
That was a discussion...I didn't predict shit.
I predicted the loss here. I'll give you the damn thread where I made the prediction...I have nothing to hide :
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=Finley
And I was right about fucking Finley choking his ass off too.
Next person that gives me credit for that dead on perfect call will be the first.
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lakaluva
Compton is closer to the OC than Carson.
No it isn't.
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lakaluva
Compton is closer to the OC than Carson.
Hmmmm. I investigated. I was looking at the map and the straight drive from compton to la palma* is 13.69 miles Time: 19 mins
Straight drive from Carson to Los Alamitos* is 12.71 miles Time: 15 mins
*closest possible OC city nearby to each respectable city.
Carson wins.
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Originally Posted by
Purple & Gold
So nobody should be forced to do what they don't want to? Nobody should be forced to pay any taxes, adhere to driving laws, EPA standards, health and safety standards? Where exactly does it end? Because no matter how much acid or mushrooms you ate you should realize that some things should be forced on people.
That's a horrible analogy. If we want to drive on the road we have to obey the safety laws, it's public road, not ours. It's something that belongs to everyone and those laws are for safety, again if you don't obey those laws not only are you endangering yourself, you are endangering others, something you have no right to do. EPA laws could easily fall into the same category. Taxes really should not have to be paid, we pay them as necessary evil...to improve our communities. To the benefit of everyone.
You are expecting someone to pay for your healthcare...you are saying they owe it to you. Why?
Do you pay for their healthcare? Will you ever?
Do you do anything for them?
It's taking something from someone else, and your rationale is that you deserve to have it, they owe it to you...
That's simply theft.
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Actually many wealthy socialists (as well as non-socialists) do just that and redistribute their wealth in the form of charitable contributions and foundations. Fact is that if not everybody is involved that money is just a drop in the bucket and doesn't really change the situation. For you to say they don't do that is just dishonest and not true. How about actually talking in truths instead of just your "gut feelings" or how you perceive things.
But I agree we'll leave this to another thread for another day.
Ahh but you see, if they were really doing it they wouldn't be wealthy anymore.
Good...they want to do it then do it, and the people that want to receive it from them, more power to em. But what right do they or anyone else have to dictate that others have to do it?
IF someone has the right to take money from me to pay for someone else's healthcare, then I have the right to ask and expect something from them in return.
Why do the wealthy owe you anything?
IF you have something I like that I feel entitled to do I have a right to take it from you?
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whottt
You are expecting someone to pay for your healthcare...you are saying they owe it to you. Why?
Do you pay for their healthcare? Will you ever?
Do you do anything for them?
It's taking something from someone else, and your rationale is that you deserve to have it, they owe it to you...
That's simply theft.
Ahh but you see, if they were really doing it they wouldn't be wealthy anymore.
Good...they want to do it then do it, and the people that want to receive it from them, more power to em. But what right do they or anyone else have to dictate that others have to do it?
IF someone has the right to take money from me to pay for someone else's healthcare, then I have the right to ask and expect something from them in return.
Why do the wealthy owe you anything?
IF you have something I like that I feel entitled to do I have a right to take it from you?
From what I've gathered from reading your posts I'd say WE'D be paying for YOUR healthcare.
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If this forum was a community and you were it's only Doctor...
No one listens to you and they continually have ill health from refusing to take your advice, you never have a free moment, you are in effect a slave to the health needs of this forum.
Do we have a right to continue to expect your services?
Because, as you say, it's our right to healthcare?
Beyond all that...I don't get why you trust the government being in charge of that. Governments are corrupt, inanimate entities. Since your health is the most valuable thing you posess..why would you trust a government with it?
There is no such thing as an honest and benevolent government..
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Originally Posted by
whottt
If this forum was a community and you were it's only Doctor...
No one listens to you and they continually have ill health from refusing to take your advice, you never have a free moment, you are in effect a slave to the health needs of this forum.
Do we have a right to continue to expect your services?
Because, as you say, it's our right to healthcare?
Beyond all that...I don't get why you trust the government being in charge of that. Governments are corrupt, inanimate entities. Since your health is the most valuable thing you posess..why would you trust a government with it?
There is no such thing as an honest and benevolent government..
So what's your solution to all the people who can't afford the health care they actually need? Fuck 'em because they would have to owe us something. For someone who claims to be so fucking humble, you're an absolute cockstain.
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whottt
The problem with this board is rigidness of thought and mental inflexibility...these mofos haven't done near enough hallucenogenics(a natural part of the individual mental evolution of human beings and the basis for basically all civilization and spirituality)....whereas I have done enough to last several lifetimes.
Which explains almost 80% of my dumbfounded, vapid attempts to make you feel sorry for clinging onto Palin's clit diehardetly.
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Originally Posted by
whottt
That's a horrible analogy. If we want to drive on the road we have to obey the safety laws, it's public road, not ours. It's something that belongs to everyone and those laws are for safety, again if you don't obey those laws not only are you endangering yourself, you are endangering others, something you have no right to do. EPA laws could easily fall into the same category. Taxes really should not have to be paid, we pay them as necessary evil...to improve our communities. To the benefit of everyone.
You're in double talk mode again. Pretty much almost everything affects the public, other than what you do in the privacy of your own home. And even then the government has the right to intervene if say you're not properly taking care of your children or so on. Taxes affect the public as well, and those public roads would not be built without taxes. I wouldn't call it a necessary evil at all and don't understand why you see it like that. Highways, roads, public parks, police, fire dept., clean air, water, etc. are all made possible because of taxes. You should look at more of what they give then what they take away. They give much more than they take.
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You are expecting someone to pay for your healthcare...you are saying they owe it to you. Why?
Do you pay for their healthcare? Will you ever?
Do you do anything for them?
It's taking something from someone else, and your rationale is that you deserve to have it, they owe it to you...
That's simply theft.
WTF are you talking about?? My healthcare is paid for. One of the perks of being a veteran and having a job. While it may be shitty coverage many times, I still have my healthcare paid for. This is not about me, but what's good for society and what's humane. The fact that you equate it to taking something from somebody else is just plain sad. We are talking about people's lives here not somebody stealing another persons car. Really can't see how any humane person can see it as theft. And the worst part about it is you're not alone in that way of thinking.
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Ahh but you see, if they were really doing it they wouldn't be wealthy anymore.
Good...they want to do it then do it, and the people that want to receive it from them, more power to em. But what right do they or anyone else have to dictate that others have to do it?
IF someone has the right to take money from me to pay for someone else's healthcare, then I have the right to ask and expect something from them in return.
Why do the wealthy owe you anything?
IF you have something I like that I feel entitled to do I have a right to take it from you?
You're babbling again. You realize that if they gave their money away it wouldn't really help and would just make them poor, were they would not be in a position to help anybody at all. Yet you don't understand why they don't give away all of their money. They are able to do much more with the capital and influence that they have.
Funny thing is that the wealthy take from the poor all the time. Why do you think your food cost is so low, who do you think serves in the military? It's not the wealthy picking fruit and it's not the family of the wealthy that fight overseas while you're able to be comfortable at home. They are receiving many things from the poor. You're just to blind to recognize it.
Again this is not what's better for me or for the poor. This is what's best for society. Mental healthcare for the poor would be great and would actually reduce crime. Prevention is not overrated and actually works. I actually feel sorry for anybody that purely views it as theft. More hallucinogenics seem to be needed for you. You completely missed the spiritual side of it somewhere.
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Originally Posted by
Purple & Gold
You're in double talk mode again. Pretty much almost everything affects the public, other than what you do in the privacy of your own home. And even then the government has the right to intervene if say you're not properly taking care of your children or so on. Taxes affect the public as well, and those public roads would not be built without taxes. I wouldn't call it a necessary evil at all and don't understand why you see it like that. Highways, roads, public parks, police, fire dept., clean air, water, etc. are all made possible because of taxes. You should look at more of what they give then what they take away. They give much more than they take.
Did you read what I wrote?
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WTF are you talking about?? My healthcare is paid for. One of the perks of being a veteran and having a job. While it may be shitty coverage many times, I still have my healthcare paid for. This is not about me, but what's good for society and what's humane. The fact that you equate it to taking something from somebody else is just plain sad. We are talking about people's lives here not somebody stealing another persons car. Really can't see how any humane person can see it as theft. And the worst part about it is you're not alone in that way of thinking.
But it is taking something from someone else you see, that's exactly what it is.
It'd be one thing if it was something they wanted to do, and I'm not even saying you shouldn't judge them if they don't want to do it, I'm just saying you nor anyone has any right to do it.
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You're babbling again. You realize that if they gave their money away it wouldn't really help
So you say...but if they really believed their creed that's exactly what they would do.
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and would just make them poor, were they would not be in a position to help anybody at all. Yet you don't understand why they don't give away all of their money. They are able to do much more with the capital and influence that they have.
So they say...then why do we need wealth redistribution programs?
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Funny thing is that the wealthy take from the poor all the time. Why do you think your food cost is so low, who do you think serves in the military?
No one forces them to that...
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It's not the wealthy picking fruit and it's not the family of the wealthy that fight overseas while you're able to be comfortable at home. They are receiving many things from the poor. You're just to blind to recognize it.
No one forces them to work cheap, in fact if they didn't we'd all make more money and the rich would have less.
It's not my fault the poor refuse to acknowledge the value of their own labor, if they didn't they'd make more money. And that would be 100% ok with me :tu
That's exactly how you solve that problem.
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Again this is not what's better for me or for the poor. This is what's best for society. Mental healthcare for the poor would be great and would actually reduce crime. Prevention is not overrated and actually works. I actually feel sorry for anybody that purely views it as theft.
But it is theft you see...it's imposing your will on someone else and taking something from them.
I could just as easily counter your point that activism, hell people simply interacting with each other is the cause of all conflict. Not just now..but in history.
I forget who said it...but a wise man once said 95% of the worlds problems would come to an end if everyone would just sit still and shutup for 5 minutes. They are exactly right.
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More hallucinogenics seem to be needed for you. You completely missed the spiritual side of it somewhere.
No I didn't miss the spiritual side of anything, you're just operating under a sense of entitlement. I assume you do it because it makes you feel good about yourself...but really, there's not that much altruistic about it...and if you have to force it, it kinda undermines the entire principle of your stance.
But more importantly your major error is entrusting a government with this task....for they are corrupt, I don't what they claim theiir political leanings are. And the more power they have, and the more they are in control of, the worse it will be for you and I.
As long as we live in a society that produces surplus there will be those that have, and those that have not...and there is nothing you, nor anyone, will ever be able to do is going to change that. Even if it's all under a government distribution plan...then it will be those in the government that have everything. And that's the absolute worst scenario.
If we lived in some tribal society we could pull it off...but then again, we'd then get our ass kicked by a more advanced society, a society that is able to become more advanced, because they produce surplus.
Socialism of the kind you speak of...cannot be forced upon people, for that is when it becomes oppression.
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Originally Posted by
LaMarcus Bryant
Which explains almost 80% of my dumbfounded, vapid attempts to make you feel sorry for clinging onto Palin's clit diehardetly.
Take your lips off Obama's nutsac and we'll talk...
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Re: For baseline bum and Nbadan: Palin draws over 20k to a 10k arena in LA county
Let me put it another way P&G...
What would you do if we didn't live in a society with taxation?
What if we lived in a trade and barter society...
How then would you realize your right to free healthcare?
How did they do it then?
Did they force it?
There is nothing spiritual about socialized medicine...what would be spiritual is for the medical practitioners, the pharmacists, the chemists, to give up material gain and offer their talents for free, and pass on their knowledge, willingly, and for the people to support them in that endeavor.
You see that's what people did when they had no concept of science and all they had was spirituality.
A government forcing it, either by taxation or any other means, is not spiritual...it is oppression, it is control. There is nothing enlightened about it. And there's certainly not going to be anything humane about it if a government is in charge of it.
Enlightenment, altruism, unselfishness...these things can't be imposed on people, they have to be sought, they have to be desired by the seeker, by it's society. They cease to be positive attributes when people or governments attempt to impose them on others, they instead become tools for manipulation and control.
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Originally Posted by
whottt
Let me put it another way P&G...
What would you do if we didn't live in a society with taxation?
What if we lived in a trade and barter society...
How then would you realize your right to free healthcare?
How did they do it then?
Did they force it?
There is nothing spiritual about socialized medicine...what would be spiritual is for the medical practitioners, the pharmacists, the chemists, to give up material gain and offer their talents for free, and pass on their knowledge, willingly, and for the people to support them in that endeavor.
You see that's what people did when they had no concept of science and all they had was spirituality.
A government forcing it, either by taxation or any other means, is not spiritual...it is oppression, it is control. There is nothing enlightened about it. And there's certainly not going to be anything humane about it if a government is in charge of it.
A trade and barter society?? Are you serious?? Now you're just being unrealistic and downright naive. Pretty ridiculous to think that we will ever go back to a trade and barter society. And taxation is oppression and control? GTF outta here :lol :lol
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Originally Posted by
Purple & Gold
A trade and barter society?? Are you serious?? Now you're just being unrealistic and downright naive. Pretty ridiculous to think that we will ever go back to a trade and barter society.
Of course we could go back to that sort of society...but that wasn't the point I was making.
I was pointing out that this thing you think is a right it not a right at all, but an invention. A product.
I notice you didn't answer the question...how did they do it back then?
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And taxation is oppression and control? GTF outta here :lol :lol
Well of course it is...but that wasn't the example I was using. I was talking about the general idea of imposing your ideas upon others about what they should be doing, how they should be living, against their will.
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baseline bum
Having police is socialist too. Police response should be a pay as you use it system too I guess.
Health Care should absolutely be a for profit enterprise too. Don't want to pay astronomically high medical bills? Don't get sick, asshole.
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Originally Posted by
whottt
Of course we could go back to that sort of society...but that wasn't the point I was making.
I was pointing out that this thing you think is a right it not a right at all, but an invention. A product.
I notice you didn't answer the question...how did they do it back then?
I can't take you seriously when you think we could go back to a trade and barter society. It's ridiculous to even think it's plausible. I know you thought of it as your utopian society while drinking some jimson tea, but it's unrealistic and will never happen. And you want people to trade and barter for their healthcare? If anybody is too sick to work how do they repay with whatever skills they have to trade? Are they not going to get care because they are to sick to frame your house or lay your tile? Would a Dr. even care for somebody if they think they won't get healthy to repay them? Do you have to pay upfront? It's not plausible whottt.
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Well of course it is...but that wasn't the example I was using. I was talking about the general idea of imposing your ideas upon others about what they should be doing, how they should be living, against their will.
How is taxing somebody that lives under the services and protection that a government provides considered oppression and control? If you want no taxes go to a place where there is no government or somewhere deep in the forest where they will never find you and you won't use any of the governments services including police/firefighters/etc.. Because anybody that lives in this country benefits from being a citizen here. Ridiculous to think that taxes are oppression and control.
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...d.html?showall
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My colleague Amie Parnes tells me the McCain campaign says they won't release crowd counts any more.
And a Florida paper puts the number at today's Palin rally at a respectable, but non-rapturous, 4,500.
UPDATE: Another Florida outlet puts the number at 10,000. There were reportedly 20,000 tickets given out.
She's firing them up in Florida!
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She's a damn elitist celebrity.
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Originally Posted by
Purple & Gold
I can't take you seriously when you think we could go back to a trade and barter society. It's ridiculous to even think it's plausible. I know you thought of it as your utopian society while drinking some jimson tea, but it's unrealistic and will never happen. And you want people to trade and barter for their healthcare? If anybody is too sick to work how do they repay with whatever skills they have to trade? Are they not going to get care because they are to sick to frame your house or lay your tile? Would a Dr. even care for somebody if they think they won't get healthy to repay them? Do you have to pay upfront? It's not plausible whottt.
How is taxing somebody that lives under the services and protection that a government provides considered oppression and control? If you want no taxes go to a place where there is no government or somewhere deep in the forest where they will never find you and you won't use any of the governments services including police/firefighters/etc.. Because anybody that lives in this country benefits from being a citizen here. Ridiculous to think that taxes are oppression and control.
So like I was saying...rigid, and inflexible. I could elaborate at length on just how wrong you are about the likelyhood of trade and barter ever returning in a major way(all it takes is a food shortage)...but since:
A. It wasn't the point I was trying to make in asking you that question.
B. It's still around in many forms and widely used in informal trade.
B. Still a dominant form of international trade that is actually gaining in popularity in recent times, and is in fact used by just about every nation in the world, and you think it's something that's obsolete...
I don't even see the point of attempting it.
And since you never bothered to answer my question and instead tried to spin my statement into saying we should return to that form of exchange...multiple times, I'll just chalk it up to you not knowing that answer.
Ditto the second part of our recent discussion where I made clear what I was referring to and you still ignored it in your reply. Not that I'd be wrong in claiming the same is true of taxation anyway.
One track mind...rigid and inflexible. I suggest more shrooms.
