Negative Payback, Obama to use Keating Five Scandal on McCain

Oh I think McCain's ads are the right decision. What else does he have to fall back on right now? Nothing is working for him so he has to try something.

A Hail Mary pass at the end of a game is usually the right choice, but it doesn't make it any less desprate.

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Originally Posted by timvp

My point is that if this election were as over as many Obama supporters would have us believe, there would be no need to even employ a tit-for-tat strategy. If McCain were simply desperate and had no chance of catching Obama, why even respond to his strategy shift?

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I don't think there is any realistic out there that thinks the race is over. There's a month left and anything can happen. Obama was smart for not showing his hand early and waiting for a moment just like this.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

A Hail Mary pass at the end of a game is usually the right choice, but it doesn't make it any less desprate.

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A hail Mary pass is useless when you can't raise your arms above your shoulders. :downspin:

"So Obamatards cry when McCain runs negative ads and celebrate when Obama runs negative ads"

Hey, timvptard

McLoser's attack ads are egregious lies.

HUSSEIN's counter-attack ads are are based on public records.

Besides McLame-Keating, HUSSEIN still has available terrorist-ex-con-loving McMeFirstLastAlways-GordonLiddy and be-hatin-on-America pitbull bitch-AIP

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Originally Posted by timvp

Link to a repub in this thread whining about attack ads? Link to a thread of a dem not whining about attack ads?

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Off the top of my head:

O'Reilly berating Jamie Lynn Spears and her parents BUT then getting offended and uptight when people berating Palin and her girl.

Dick Morris being sexist to Hillary Clinton BUT then crying sexism when Palin was treated unfairly in his eyes.

FOX News trying to assert that a fist bump is a terrorist fist jab BUT getting pissy when some group releases an ad asserting McCain is in bad health.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

I can't believe it took this long. This last month is going to be fucking ugly.

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They should wait on using the Keating Five stuff until two weeks before election day. By going to it now, it will be digested and out of the news cycle sooner.

Attack ads based on McCain's public record is fair game. Going into private family stuff is off-limits, or should be.

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

I don't think there is any realistic out there that thinks the race is over. There's a month left and anything can happen. Obama was smart for not showing his hand early and waiting for a moment just like this.

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Yet you were just whining in the McCain thread about his attack ads.

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

A hail Mary pass is useless when you can't raise your arms above your shoulders. :downspin:

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Buddy Holly, all class.

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Originally Posted by boutons_

"So Obamatards cry when McCain runs negative ads and celebrate when Obama runs negative ads"

Hey, timvptard

McLoser's attack ads are egregious lies.

HUSSEIN's counter-attack ads are are based on public records.

Besides McLame-Keating, HUSSEIN still has available terrorist-ex-con-loving McMeFirstLastAlways-GordonLiddy and be-hatin-on-America pitbull bitch-AIP

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:lol @ timvptard. That was a good one :tu

Attack ads are attack ads. No one really cares how much is fact and how much is twisted. Maybe those who read the internet Fact Checks, but that's a minuscule number compared to who actual view the ads.

Hypothetically speaking, would boutons_ rather have Obama win by using attack ads filled with lies or have Obama lose using attack ads filled with truths.

Answer the question so I can see where your true priorities lie . . .

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

Off the top of my head:

O'Reilly berating Jamie Lynn Spears and her parents BUT then getting offended and uptight when people berating Palin and her girl.

Dick Morris being sexist to Hillary Clinton BUT then crying sexism when Palin was treated unfairly in his eyes.

FOX News trying to assert that a fist bump is a terrorist fist jab BUT getting pissy when some group releases an ad asserting McCain is in bad health.

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What question did that answer? Read what you quoted again.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Attack ads based on McCain's public record is fair game. Going into private family stuff is off-limits, or should be.

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Since you stole boutons_ take, answer the same question.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Since you stole boutons_ take, answer the same question.

Thanks.

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Is this the question?

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have Obama win by using attack ads filled with lies or have Obama lose using attack ads filled with truths

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That's a false dilemma. Obama can hammer his ass on the Keating Five stuff, which is true and relevant to the current financial crisis. I think Obama is going to win and he doesn't have to get dirty to do it. The Keating Five stuff is not below the belt.

Typical dodge :rolleyes

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Originally Posted by timvp

Yet you were just whining in the McCain thread about his attack ads.

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I was whining? In what fashion? I argued the validity of the attacks. It's a shitty thing to do but when it's done you have no other option but to fight fire with fire.

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Buddy Holly, all class.

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It was a joke, lighten up. Don't go the Sean Penn route on us LJ.

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What question did that answer? Read what you quoted again.

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You're right. But in fairness, my post was about republicans in general not anyone on this board, other than TPark who was used as the archetype for my comparison, specifically.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Typical dodge :rolleyes

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What's the point of your stupid hypothetical? Obama has a 90% chance of winning, and he doesn't have to resort to sleaze to do it. But, for the record, if it came to it, hell yes I would want Obama to get dirty if that's what it takes, if he was in the same tactically desperate situation McCain finds himself in. What McCain is doing with the sleaze is like an onsides kick...it probably won't work, but it's the correct strategy. I'm proud that Obama ran such a good campaign that he doesn't have to resort to it himself.

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Originally Posted by timvp

My point is that if this election were as over as many Obama supporters would have us believe, there would be no need to even employ a tit-for-tat strategy. If McCain were simply desperate and had no chance of catching Obama, why even respond to his strategy shift?

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Yeah, it would be a great strategy to allow himself to get Swiftboated on the Ayers stuff. :rolleyes It worked out so well for Kerry, didn't it?

There's a chance this stuff could work, that's why they have to aggressively rebut it.

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Originally Posted by Findog

There's a chance this stuff could work, that's why they have to aggressively rebut it.

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In my breakroom at work I constantly have to hear:


1. Obama is a muslim
2. Obama scares me
3. If he's on tv, the next comment is generally look at him you can tell he's lying
4. He hates America
5. He is a terrorist
6. His wife is a militant
7. His best friend is a terrorist

And it's from a handful of people. Granted I do live in Nebraska and work in South Dakota which are traditionally red states.

:bang

So yes the ads serve to feed the beast and as hoped by the party launching them to sway the guys who haven't picked a side.

McCain-Palin spokesman Brian Rogers said: "The difference here is clear. John McCain has been open and honest about the Keating matter, and even the Democratic special counsel in charge recommended that Senator McCain be completely exonerated. By contrast, Barack Obama has been fundamentally dishonest about his friendship and work with the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, whose radical group bombed the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol. Nor has Barack Obama come clean on his close friendship with Tony Rezko, a felon convicted on bribery charges who subsidized the purchase of Barack Obama’s home. It's obvious that Barack Obama is frantically attacking because he knows that most voters find these kinds of friendships, and the failed judgment they expose, to be unacceptable for our next president."http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/14302

Ducks for the fail save!

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

Ducks for the fail save!

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so that is how obama has a house
he took a bribe since he went to law school and had no money to buy a house

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Originally Posted by ducks

so that is how obama has a house
he took a bribe since he went to law school and had no money to buy a house

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Dude, I don't even think you're intelligent enough to know what a house, a bribe or even money is.

Refuel for win!!

Obama has an 8pt lead in Rasmussen's polls today. He's polling at 52%. A black man, polling at 52% in this country is simply remarkable. We are witnessing what could be a potential landside if things don't turn for McCain.

This is why Obama is going Keating 5 now. It's time to go in for the kill and end this thing. I keep telling my friends that Obama is much smarter than he looks, he's always 2-3 steps ahead. In the primaries he completely outwitted Hilary by locking up super delegates in southern and rural states while Hilary was out campaigning in the traditional big blue states. He's made McCain look like an erratic and bumbling fool as well. His ground game is the best in our history. There is still a lot of time left, but I think we are headed towards a major landslide victory for Obama.

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Originally Posted by ducks

so that is how obama has a house
he took a bribe since he went to law school and had no money to buy a house

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I'm sure the McCain campaign would love to see the evidence you have of this.
Oh wait, you have none... never mind!

look at them oohhh and ahhhh as both sides display their beautiful smoke and mirrors act.

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Originally Posted by TomBrady

Obama has an 8pt lead in Rasmussen's polls today. He's polling at 52%. A black man, polling at 52% in this country is simply remarkable. We are witnessing what could be a potential landside if things don't turn for McCain.

This is why Obama is going Keating 5 now. It's time to go in for the kill and end this thing. I keep telling my friends that Obama is much smarter than he looks, he's always 2-3 steps ahead. In the primaries he completely outwitted Hilary by locking up super delegates in southern and rural states while Hilary was out campaigning in the traditional big blue states. He's made McCain look like an erratic and bumbling fool as well. His ground game is the best in our history. There is still a lot of time left, but I think we are headed towards a major landslide victory for Obama.

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Get off your knees son. He's just a man.

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Originally Posted by Anti.Hero

look at them oohhh and ahhhh as both sides display their beautiful smoke and mirrors act.

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Agreed. What I question is if that's what McCain wants to really get into. If this is an attempt to distract people from the economy, he picked a really bad time. I might be wrong on this, but I think his vote for the bailout might have been the nail in the coffin for his campaign.

It's funny. Topics like amnesty, social security, etc come into the spot light for maybe 2 weeks...nothing gets solved...then everyone moves back to the smoke and mirrors.


Obama has been able to dodge all this stuff for 20 months. McCain thinks magically people will listen now? McCain you fail.