500k didn't show up to lynch him. they came to listen. they expect their leaders to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
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500k didn't show up to lynch him. they came to listen. they expect their leaders to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Sneaky tapas-eating motherfuckers. McCain will show them what's what.Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
See this is where stupid stuck up know it all assfucks like yourself feel that you and only the ones who vote are intitled to bitch. My vote if I made one would amount to nothing. Hell we have a president who didn't even win the peoples election...talk about not counting. If something is wrong and its been done wrong I have every right to bitch...I pay fucking taxes therefore I have a right. The day I don't pay taxes is the day I have no right to bitch. GFYQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
How the fuck do I even know what happens with my vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzKbigGoMoo
I'm voting for Obama.
-I like his views on Iraq/Afghanistan and the fact that his foreign policy won't be based on "Do what we say or we'll go to war".
-I like that he wants to reform NCLB, although I wish he would abolish it altogether.
-I like that he wants to get all children (who don't have a current healthcare plan) covered with health insurance. I'm not crazy about his universal healthcare idea but as long as families/individuals who have their own plan aren't forced to go on it, I think that will be ok. Hillary was the one with the mandate. And I don't even think he will get his universal healthcare passed. I think he will get the childrens aspect of it passed because Congress already approved a bill for it until Bush vetoed it.
-I like that he is going to place importance on energy independence and developing new forms of energy. He actually gives a shit about the environment.
-More oversight of business. Need I say more?
-I tend to trust him more than McCain. And I know it's the exact opposite for McCain supporters but it's a matter of perception and I perceive Obama to be more trustworthy. McCain is your classic flip-flopping politician IMO. And not that Obama hasn't flipflopped, but McCain in my eyes has done it far more.
In summary, I don't want four more years of Bush and that's the impression I've got from McCain.
Yep. And not to mention that in Texas the TAKS test is completely different than the curriculum (and I want to say it is a dumber version of the curriculum) and so teachers spend more time preparing students for the TAKS test (which requires minimal critical thinking) rather than teaching the curriculum, because the state gives more benefits to schools with higher TAKS scores.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
I'm voting for Obama. He's not the messiah some of his overzealous supporters make him out to be, and the cult of personality that has sprung up around him is annoying. That said, the last Democratic President we had was competent, something you can't say about the current White House occupant or the current Republican nominee for President, or his running mate. We need the grownups back in charge.
The Republicans have failed. They have failed in foreign affairs, they have failed in economic management, they have failed in routine maintenance of things like bridges and levees, they have failed in holding the American people together, and they have failed in addressing our dependence on foreign energy. THEY HAVE FAILED.
Every day I become more and more impressed with Barack Obama's intelligence, demeanor, personal qualities and innate decency. It will be an honor to vote for him. I can't remember anyone I've voted for IN MY LIFE that I felt it would be an honor to vote for. I actually feel humbled to have this opportunity.
I'll vote for John because i don't think he has all the answers, and neither does he...from what i can tell.
While Obama seems to have all the answers, and i just don't believe that. i really like alot of what the man has to say, but it sounds just too good to be true, and i don't trust that feeling.
I also feel that McCain could get more dems to vote his way then Barrack could get repubs to vote his...
and though i liked bush, he just couldn't get shit done. that is a major disappointment, and i want a government that will be able to put one foot in front of the other instead of getting stuck in a partisan quagmire...
I really hope the best man for the country wins.
so if every body felt the same way and did not voteQuote:
Originally Posted by BacktoBasics
then it would end in a tie
then the average american people would have no say
is that what you want
I would welcome a day where the entire Country decided not to vote until a better system was clearly defined and offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
My point is that I can bitch and not vote. See....I'm already doing it.
Can you rephrase that? I followed until 'so if every body felt the same way and did not vote then it would end in a tie'... how that precludes the average american people from having anything to say? They already SAID they didn't want to vote...Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
You must have a typo there somewhere.
This could possibly be a very good thread :tu
I haven't 100% made up my mind but I'm about 95% leaning toward Obama. I'll wait until after the final two debates before solidifying my vote. Right now I'm leaning toward Obama, with second place being not to vote. McCain is third right now for me.
However, even though I'm going to vote for Obama in all likelihood, it's not because I agree with his stances. In fact, I think they are almost all faulty. His economic plan is a joke -- even his most ardent supporters typically won't argue otherwise. His stances regarding American business will make it harder for businesses to compete in the global market. His health care plan is impractical. I think giving an absolute timetable for a pullout is a tactical error. I disagree with most of his plans that call to make government even bigger. I disagree with his stances toward Cuba. I don't like how he doesn't all seem to put America first in all his policies. I can't believe he even semi supports No Child Left Behind. And most of all, I think his apparent strategy on how to go about keeping (and even bringing back) American jobs from getting outsourced is more dangerous than anything W has ever done domestically.
All that said, two things will allow me to get over all those disagreements. First of all, the power of the POTUS is highly overrated. He likely won't be able to bring everything he promises to reality (although there is more of a danger to that considering the state of all three branches). Secondly, most of his stances look more like election stances than practical stances. He's saying what he has to say to get elected. I think and hope that once he's elected, he won't try to follow through on all of his current promises. That is typically the case so hopefully Obama doesn't change course. Politicians lie and he will have the perfect excuse by pointing to the current financial crises for why he couldn't do everything he said he was going to do.
Why will I vote for him? First of all, I don't like McCain. I just don't like him. I think 95% of Senators are either slimeballs or become slimeballs by association. While Obama is a Senator as well, he hasn't been in the muck nearly as long as McCain has. McCain is also a sellout. I don't think it's admirable how he treated his first wife. He claims to be a maverick but it has been obvious that he's done everything in his political career the last 25 or so years with one eye on the White House. I think he's too old and basically I think he's a Democrat in Republican clothing. He's about as conservative as the Clintons. If he loses, my hope is that a true conservative candidate can arise down the line. It's not good for American to have two Democrats running for POTUS.
Second of all, I like Obama's leadership capabilities. He's a natural born leader who can inspire a crowd. America is still the greatest country in the world by far but it needs some encouragement to get going once again. It feels like the country is in a lull and I think Obama has a chance to get this machine rolling. He seems to have struck a chord with the dumber people in the country and those with a growing anti-US sentiment. The amount of dumb people in this country is overwhelming so having a shepherd at the helm is not a bad thing. Plus if McCain wins, that growing anti-US sentiment from the left could get ugly. I'd rather we avoid that. Basically I think Obama has a chance to steer the US into greener pastures.
That's about the end of my thought process in what goes into picking who to vote for. Obama's race is so very inconsequential to me. He was born in Hawaii, partly grew up in Indonesia and was mostly raised by white grandparents. I find it laughable that he's considered a pure black candidate because his white mother was inseminated by a man with a high amount of melanin in his skin. I don't consider him black; I consider him American. This is 2008, we should be above caring about skin pigment - especially when the person in question is a 50/50 mix. He's as much a white candidate as he is a black candidate, if not more . . . but that's probably a topic for another thread.
Oh and for the record, I don't think Obama becoming president is going to help race relations. If anything, I think it could hurt it. A large percentage of white people have been okay with double standards because they view themselves as being more privileged simply based on skin color. But with a "black man" as the POTUS, it's going to be more difficult to convince those same white people that other races need advantages to gain equality. Voting Obama to see an end to racism is relying on hugely flawed logic.
Bottomline is I don't love Obama as a candidate, in many respects I don't even like him as a candidate, but I view him as the best option. It's a dangerous vote due to how much I disagree with him but I'm hoping it ends up being the right vote.
Besides, how can a Spurs fan vote for a guy who happily claims to be a Maverick and is also a Suns season ticket holder?
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I'll be voting for Obama.
Pluses: his stances on torture/Gitmo, energy/global warming, tax cuts/loopholes, civil liberties. He is not anti-science.
Neutral: I like withdrawal from Iraq, but fear doing it too quickly. I like more universal health care, but fear the cost of how it might be implemented. Probably given the recession we're getting, we'll withdraw from Iraq too quickly, and not change health care too much.
Minuses: House, Senate, and POTUS all one party.
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Originally Posted by baseline bum
It should also be pointed out that MANY high school science and math teachers are not capable of teaching rigorous courses.
Oh holy shit; that was good.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIMVP
I'm voting for Obama because it is my right to vote for whom I want to and I don't need to explain jack shit to anyone. That and the fact that I don't want another 4 years of Bush policies that will continue under McCain. The future of this Country and my children means too much to me and if we all just look at the facts the decision is clear. The time is NOW. I don't give a rat's ass who hung out with who or where you worship or if you did a little hippie lettuce or snow when you were young. I look at who they are NOW and where they can lead us to.
That is why I am voting for Barack Obama.
I'm joechalupa and I've approved this post.
There is so much wrong in your post, but I will address one thing you mentioned about race relations not improving and possibly degrading.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
One of the reasons racism exists today is because of fear. Fear of the unknown. Too many people buy into stereotypes without finding out for themselves, this is especially true amongst xenophobic conservatives who seem to rally against everything that is "different". The only way to show these people that their views are incorrect is by example.
Segregation does not exist today in schools because the government forced integration down the throats of racist white Southerners. It was the only way to get social progress moving in this country.
At the top of the thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by TomBrady
Leave all partisan politics and arguments in the other threads. Let people simply post why they are supporting who they are supporting. Do not challenge their views, and let it be.
ironyQuote:
Originally Posted by TomBrady
How the hell does this gobbledygook have anything to do with anything in my post? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TomBrady
BTW, go back to one of your other screen names. They have been "fixed".
I've already said why I am voting the way I am voting in other threads...to this one I'll just add...
I'm not voting for Obama because:
Other countries like Obama the way Americans liked Gorbachev.
Electing a President based on his appeal to other countries is like losing to the Lakers so Laker Fans will like us.
America is the last remaining Superpower, and since we are no longer needed to stave off the Soviet Uniion, neither the EU nor Latin America or nor the Middle East, or China, likes it.
So you're NOT voting for him because of what others think? Doesn't that kinda undermine your whole point?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
God damn so many of you can't help yourselves can you? Practice some self control in this thread. You don't have to hit the quote button if you disagree with something you read. You can let it go for just this ONE thread.
At the top of the thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Leave all partisan politics and arguments in the other threads. Let people simply post why they are supporting who they are supporting. Do not challenge their views, and let it be.
I'm not voting for one simple reason...I have no voice. Thanks to the electoral college the state of Texas is automatically given to the Republicans, so if you vote for anyone else you vote doesn't really count or make a difference in anything.