Why I'm voting for .....

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Originally Posted by ElNono

At the top of the thread:
Leave all partisan politics and arguments in the other threads. Let people simply post why they are supporting who they are supporting. Do not challenge their views, and let it be.

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Sorry my whottt-o-meter went off and I missed the beginning of the thread.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

I'm not voting for one simple reason...I have no voice. Thanks to the electoral college the state of Texas is automatically given to the Republicans, so if you vote for anyone else you vote doesn't really count or make a difference in anything.

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That's a shitty attitude. You can help 3rd parties try to reach the 5% threshold. You can do your part to help turn Texas purple. McCain's lead in Texas is down to single digits. Obama won't win the state but there will come a time when Texas isn't so red.

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Originally Posted by Findog

That's a shitty attitude. You can help 3rd parties try to reach the 5% threshold. You can do your part to help turn Texas purple. McCain's lead in Texas is down to single digits. Obama won't win the state but there will come a time when Texas isn't so red.

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Out of your whole post this is the only sentence that matters. Texas is still red...period. Honestly, I think you are living a pipe dream if you ever think it will change. Just my .02.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

Out of your whole post this is the only sentence that matters. Texas is still red...period. Honestly, I think you are living a pipe dream if you ever think it will change. Just my .02.

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Why is it set in stone? Texas was always blue until about 30 years ago.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

Out of your whole post this is the only sentence that matters. Texas is still red...period. Honestly, I think you are living a pipe dream if you ever think it will change. Just my .02.

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Texas will flip to blue again at some point in our lifetime. It wasn't that long ago (1974 and 1968) that Texas was blue.

Two words: Hispanic population

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Originally Posted by timvp

Texas will flip to blue again at some point in our lifetime. It wasn't that long ago (1974 and 1968) that Texas was blue.

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Actually I would rather it not be one or the other. As an independent, I want to be able to look at both candidates and weigh them out...then go and vote knowing my voice will be heard. Right now that is not possible...and there is only a handful of states where it actually is.

It's just not right, and I refuse to be a part of a system that alienates large numbers of voters in all but a few states.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

Actually I would rather it not be one or the other. As an independent, I want to be able to look at both candidates and weigh them out...then go and vote knowing my voice will be heard. Right now that is not possible...and there is only a handful of states where it actually is.

It's just not right, and I refuse to be a part of a system that alienates large numbers of voters in all but a few states.

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Would you care to provide me a list of all these fantastic 3 party nations?


You think it's partisan now....you just wait till there are 3 strong parties and one of the bookends wins an election.

I'm voting for Obama because the two most important issues to me in this election are energy and the environment. Investment into alternative energy is THE domestic issue of this generation, because it's something huge that we can pass on to generations to come. Investment into science is almost never a bad idea, and unlike the lay-person argument against some sciences, energy is something that impacts everyone.

I'll admit that John McCain is one of the most environmentally friendly and alternative energy friendly Republicans in a long time, at least in the things he claims to support. However, I can't help but feel that his support is only skin deep. In the long run, he's also very oil-friendly, and would push for increased drilling. In the end, I think Palin would sell him on drilling in ANWR. Obama, on the other hand, has proposed $150 billion over 10 years to invest in and research alternative energy sources. While I suspect that number will be trimmed a bit due to the current economic crisis, there's still no doubt in my mind that he'll push for large sums of money being thrown at this problem, which is absolutely what we need.

As for the rest of the issues, Obama comes out on top on a majority of them for me, though there are quite a few that I lean more to the right on. I agree with a previous poster that my decision would have been harder if we were talking about the McCain of 2000, but sadly that is not the case.

As a side note, I absolutely agree with the people who have said that the Electoral College needs to be abolished, and I've been saying that for years. When I place my vote for Obama in Utah, the only thing that will do is add one to the popular vote count.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

God damn so many of you can't help yourselves can you? Practice some self control in this thread. You don't have to hit the quote button if you disagree with something you read. You can let it go for just this ONE thread.

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He doesn't bother me at all except when he makes consecutive posts along with ElNono.

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Originally Posted by whottt

Would you care to provide me a list of all these fantastic 3 party nations?


You think it's partisan now....you just wait till there are 3 strong parties and one of the bookends wins an election.

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Not sure what you are looking for here. I never said I wanted a third party...I just would like to be able to vote and have it count on national scale in a national election.

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Originally Posted by whottt

Would you care to provide me a list of all these fantastic 3 party nations?
You think it's partisan now....you just wait till there are 3 strong parties and one of the bookends wins an election.

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Originally Posted by whottt

He doesn't bother me at all except when he makes consecutive posts along with ElNono.

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At the top of the thread:
Leave all partisan politics and arguments in the other threads. Let people simply post why they are supporting who they are supporting. Do not challenge their views, and let it be.

Not very bright, are we?

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Originally Posted by benefactor

Out of your whole post this is the only sentence that matters. Texas is still red...period. Honestly, I think you are living a pipe dream if you ever think it will change. Just my .02.

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Actually he isn't. There will be a good chance it will be blue in the future, considering that minorities are going to become majorities in the state and are prone to voting Democrat rather than Republican. Probably won't be for 20 years or so but it will change. You realize it was strictly Democrat at the state level until the 1990s, right?

Is TX the last major metropolitan state to be so solidly Republican?

According to this informal ST poll, Obama should win by a landslide . . .

Even the more conservative estimates I have seen project Texas with the highest % of population ethnicity as Hispanic by 2040-- still not at 50%, but already the largest ethnic group- maybe at about 45%. Other estimates have the Hispanic population at 50% by 2030 or 2040.

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Originally Posted by td4mvp21

Actually he isn't. There will be a good chance it will be blue in the future, considering that minorities are going to become majorities in the state and are prone to voting Democrat rather than Republican. Probably won't be for 20 years or so but it will change. You realize it was strictly Democrat at the state level until the 1990s, right?

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Depends on what happens to the D party. I don't think Texas will ever turn blue if the Pelosi/Reid/Obama progressives continue to rule the party. If clintonites or blue dogs take control then I think you could see Texas turn blue (if R's don't get their shit together that is).

Depends on whether blacks can ever work in Mexican restaurants in Austin and break through the tortilla ceiling.

The longer this election season drags on, the more I'm starting to think I may not vote - Not because I think voting doesn't matter, but rather I'm starting to realize I can't really get behind either candidate.

I definitely can't get behind Obama, but now I'm starting to waver on McCain as well.

I know there have been a couple of people here who have said they may not vote. Is there anyone here who was sure they'd vote for one candidate, but now they may not vote at all?

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

I'm not voting for anyone. I choose to not vote because it doesn't matter. The real voices of the people never play a huge part in how things are done to begin with. I don't care how many people line up to rant on and on about how they'll do things because its rarely them that gets its accomplished.

We live in a world where the publics needs and opinions are rarely taken into consideration to begin with. Sure they address our needs but its never cut and dry and its never something that can be accomplished unless its feeding the hands that grab for anything orbiting around it. Large fundamental things never get accomplished unless it supports a few with the power and ability to leverage it. No matter how much we stand up and no matter how many people speak out about it this country will never get what we truely need from our government because its too damn big. There are too many hands crippling the ability for the common man to make a difference.

I'll vote when the day comes where each and every important decision can be made on its own two feet. I'll vote when a bill can be voted on for its own merit and not a bunch of garbage attaching itself to gain a wider audience. How can we expect to ever break thru if every single defining moment has to have other lesser important issues attached. I'll vote when the size of the government shrinks down to a level where smaller groups or singular people can be easily isolated when something has to be accounted for. I'll vote when they establish a system that designed to work for the working people rather than be exploited.

I'll probably never vote.

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SON YOU REALLY TOOK IT BACKTOBASICS

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

I know there have been a couple of people here who have said they may not vote. Is there anyone here who was sure they'd vote for one candidate, but now they may not vote at all?

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Me.

I am going to vote for the two candidates that I feel will show the most honor to God and will honor those matters which I prioritize as a Christian.

I won't make my final decision until I step into the voting booth because I am taking into account all information, as it is being made available.

However, were I called upon to vote this second, I would choose Senator McCain and Govenor Palin.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

The longer this election season drags on, the more I'm starting to think I may not vote - Not because I think voting doesn't matter, but rather I'm starting to realize I can't really get behind either candidate.

I definitely can't get behind Obama, but now I'm starting to waver on McCain as well.

I know there have been a couple of people here who have said they may not vote. Is there anyone here who was sure they'd vote for one candidate, but now they may not vote at all?

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I didn't vote in the 2000 election because I could not stand either candidate.

I didn't like Bush when I voted for him in 2004- only voted for him because of his stance concerning abortion.

It has always been my philosophy that I would not vote for someone I did not like.

But my pastors have been encouraging our church members that it is best to vote for whomever we feel best supports our core beliefs rather than leave the results up to everyone else.

It has taken awhile, but I have come to agree with that conclusion.

Having said that, I wish I could say there was a candidate that I really wanted to see elected.

This is going to sound simplistic but I am going to vote for Obama because I feel he is the best candidate for the Office. This is a personal choice and not a suggested course of action for anyone. I am not going to try to convince you to vote the way I do so don't be so insulting as to attempt to try to convince me to vote your way.

On the subject of voting...I personally believe everyone should vote because too many people fought and died for us to have that right. However, recently I have come to believe that those same people fought and died for us to have the right not to use their vote if they don't feel the choices are worthy of said vote.