So 11 > 40.
Is that a fact or do you just believe 11 > 40?
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So 11 > 40.
Is that a fact or do you just believe 11 > 40?
I'm not about to look up every case. There are several more. I'm sure that list is incomplete. The fact is that more illegal activities are done by democrat operatives than republican operatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I will say it is possible I was wrong of the number convicted, but do the research and show me the statistics between democrat and republican if it's soimportant to you.
It's important for you to back up your claims.
And I have no doubt there are more cases against Democrats than Republicans -- look who is in charge of the executive branch. Some of the US District Attorneys were fired because they refused to prosecute election fraud cases they found to be without merit.
You are wrong quote often, so often we can only conclude you do it intentionally. You have a reputation as a liar. If it's not important to you then by all means, keep lying. We'll just keep pointing out your lies.Quote:
I will say it is possible I was wrong of the number convicted,
I'm sorry you think so. The fact I do not always source my material does not make me a liar. Neither does being wrong on occation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You, however, have a reputation of being a total jack-ass.
Yes, you have a reputation for making shit up and willfully exaggerating.
In other words, lying.
And whining when you are caught lying -- I almost left that out.
"The fact is that more illegal activities are done by democrat operatives than republican operatives."
a fact to you, it's your opinion to everybody else.
Well then by all means, start a thread titled "Wild Cobra's Lies" and point them out. You have my permission, and I will participate as long as we stop polluting other threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I'll stick to pointing them out in each thread when you lie. You are the one polluting the threads with your lies. Stop lying and I won't be able to point out your lies.
I found an Archive Site with all the ACVR material:
ACVR Archive Home Page
From the Department of Justice:
I haven't yet found a breakdown by activity, but that quite a bit. Over 100 convictions. Anyone care to help me research how many are republican pundits vs. democrat pundits? How many were from ACORN operatives?Quote:
Criminal Division Record on Voting Fraud:
The Criminal Division and the Department's 93 U.S. Attorneys Offices enforce laws that prohibit the following: voter intimidation; voting by ineligible individuals; vote buying; destruction of valid ballots or registrations; fraud related to counting more votes then registered voters; altering vote tallies; voting in multiple counties; abuse of absentee ballots; malfeasance by election officials; the disappearance of ballot boxes; furnishing fraudulent voter registration forms to election registrars; and forging the names of voters on absentee ballot materials.
* Since the Attorney General’s Ballot Access and voting Integrity Initiative was launched in 2002, over 140 individuals have been charged with election fraud offenses. Over 100 people have been convicted of voter fraud in that time frame.
* Over 360 election fraud investigations have been started since the initiative began in 2002. There are now approximately 90 investigations ongoing throughout the co
You're just not able to back up your slander.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Your backtracking and whining after your lies are exposed are all that is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I know you have a big, fragile ego -- but you don't deserve your own thread just because you lie all the time.
I'm just tired of polluting threads with your petty dislikes of me. I'm done with you here. Please stay on topic, or start a new thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You lied about the topic, and I pointed out your lie about the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I will dislike you much less if you ever stop lying. Catch a clue.
Chump v WC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chump v Whottt
So are ACORN workers Cowboys fans?
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...office-ra.html
ACORN office raided in Las Vegas in voter-fraud probe
Nevada authorities have raided the Las Vegas office of the community-organizing group ACORN seeking evidence of voter fraud.
Investigators seized records and computers from ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. The office was unstaffed at the time.
Secretary of State Ross Miller said fraudulent registrations included forms for the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.
"Tony Romo is not registered to vote in the state of Nevada, and anybody trying to pose as Terrell Owens won't be able to cast a ballot on Nov. 4," Miller said, according to the Associated Press. He said others used false names or information, or had duplicated information on multiple forms.
Here's the news release from Miller's office.
In a response posted on its Web site, ACORN said that it has forwarded suspicious registrations to election officials during the past year but they "routinely ignored this information and failed to act. " After a July meeting, Clark County elections officials "asked us to provide them with a second copy of what we had previously provided to them. ACORN responded by giving election officials copies of 46 'problem application packages,' which involved 33 former canvassers."
The Las Vegas Sun has the story, as does FOX News.
And a really high opinion of the recruits
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/st...5984327&page=1
Voter Fraud? Officials Raise Concerns About Thousands of Suspicious Voter Registrations
Group Facing Probe in Nevada Has Had Past Problems
A nationwide voter registration drive that has registered some 1.3 million voters this year is facing new allegations of local canvasser fraud and complaints about its practices.
As citizens registered to vote in record-breaking numbers across the country this week, local election officials raised concerns about thousands of suspicious voter registration cards collected by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, commonly known as ACORN. The group, along with its partner Project Vote, operates one of the nation's largest voter registration drives focusing mostly on low-income African-Americans and Latinos.
The most recent allegations emerged yesterday after Nevada authorities raided the group's Las Vegas offices. Authorities are investigating reports of fake or duplicate voter registrations submitted by ACORN, including some using the names of Dallas Cowboys football players.
Investigators have alleged that ACORN hired 59 inmates on work release as canvassers. One inmate who had worked as a "team leader" for ACORN told investigators that "some of the canvassers hired by ACORN were 'lazy crackheads' who were not interested in working and just wanted money," according to the search warrant affidavit.
ACORN and Project Vote say they have been fully cooperating with investigators and called yesterday's raid a "stunt" designed to discredit the groups' work in registering more than 80,000 Nevadans. Mike Slater, the executive director for Project Vote, says the group regularly reported concerns about potentially fraudulent applications to county election officials who ignored the information for months.
Since June, local election officials in at least nine other states have reported problems with thousands of registrations submitted by ACORN's this election year, according to media reports.
Earlier in the week, election officials in Lake County, IN reported that nearly half of the 2,040 registrations submitted by ACORN on county's final day of registration were deemed "suspicious" because of missing or incorrect information or other irregularities.
Fake Voter Registration Cards
Sally LaSota, the director of the Lake County elections board, said information on some of the registration cards appeared to have been copied from the telephone book. LaSota says her employees have also identified more than 100 cards with forged signatures.
"We don't know if any of these people are legitimate," said LaSota, who is concerned that many legitimate voters may be unable to vote due to the high volume of problematic registration dumped on their office at the very last minute.
On the campus of University of New Mexico, College Democrats sought to have ACORN kicked off campus after receiving "dismal" reports about the group practices according to the campus newspaper, Daily Lobo.
In Bernalillo County, which encompasses Albuquerque and UNM, election officials have reported 1,400 "problem cards," many of which were collected by ACORN, to local and federal law enforcement authorities. Maggie Toulouse Oliver, the county clerk, said that some of the irregularities included cards with addresses that did not exist and duplicate registrations for voters with inaccurate information.
Charles Jackson, a spokesperson for ACORN, said the number of problematic registrations were "relatively low" considering that 1.3 million voter registrations collected by the group this year. "You have these isolated incidents that people seem to amplify and make a bigger deal that it really is," said Jackson.
ACORN has touted its success in collecting nearly 3 million voter registrations since 2004, but the group's track record has been marred with allegations of voter registration fraud and the criminal prosecutions of employees caught tampering and falsifying registration cards.
Last year, King County prosecutors in Washington state brought felony charges against seven ACORN canvassers in what one official described as the worst case of voter registration fraud in the state's history. Some OF the workers pled guilty and went to jail, while the ACORN agreed to pay the county $25,000 and have its activities monitored by authorities as a part of a settlement.
ACORN: New Quality Control
ACORN says that it has worked to clean up its act by adopting new "quality control" standards, including procedures to double-check all registrations and flag any questionable or incomplete cards for officials. "We pay people to do a job and sometimes they don't do it," said Jackson. "They turn in cards that are not complete, turn in cards that they have tampered with, and so we have a program in place to catch those types of things."
Jackson added that the group has a policy of firing any employee it finds tampering with registrations, and referring those former employees for criminal prosecution.
ACORN's past problems and liberal leanings have made the group a frequent target of Republican attacks. "It is clear that ACORN is engaging in an effort to try and take away from our election system by submitting thousands of forms that are unusable on county clerks place the burden on them," said Republican National Committee spokesperson Danny Diaz in a conference call with reporters yesterday.
Diaz cited the recent incidents to accuse ACORN of perpetrating "systemic voter fraud."
Jackson says there is no evidence of ACORN registrations being used to cast fraudulent votes. "Our goal is to empower low-income people," said Jackson. "In no way, shape, or form do we want to tamper with the electoral process, we'd have nothing to gain from that."
So it sounds more like ACORN in LV hires some lazy people who would rather make fake cards than work in the heat actually register voters. It doesn't look like some dastardly plan to have people pose as the Dallas Cowboys to vote.
I won't defend who ended up registering people to vote, hiring criminals is shady, but there is a quality control process in place. This is how it goes:
So everyone goes out to register people to vote in these low to moderate income neighborhoods because that's where ACORN is. Cards get verified by other ACORN employees through return phone calls and checking social security numbers. If they can't be verified or look suspusious they get "flagged" and because it's required by law are sent to elections officials. Cards are tracked through serial numbers so officials and groups known to have registered the fraudulent voter can be found. At this point the people that turn in these cards then get fired and get charged with voter fraud. Obviously lots of cards in ACORN's hands have fallen through these cracks, but it's not like ACORN just turns them in and says "Here are 20000000000 good cards! We're so successful!" There is a system.
Repugs raided another Acorn office in Missouri.
dubya's got his politicized DoJ/FBI all over the case. (however, Alberto Gonzalez not been seen, but his spirit lingers over the case)
Wasn't the FBI investigating the bailed out companies?
Nothing happened out of that?