sons people should not be allowed to vote IF ...

If this were a fight, it'd have been stopped by now.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I wouldn't actually want it just like BR explained, but I have advocated a similar thing myself. I don't know exactly where to make the cutoffs, but maybe something like the following:

1) To be eligeble to vote, you cannot be one who gets subsidies from the various government agencies over the last two years that exceed what income taxes you pay over the same period.

2) Social Security and other retirement related entitlements are not considered subsidies for voting purposes. Social Security will actually be treated as income for voting elegibility.

3) The right to vote will not be denied to the handicapped under this provision.

4) Non tax paying citizens have the right to vote as long as they are not being subsidized by the government.

5) Paymnts of Social Security and Medicare deductions are not considered taxes for these rules as they are for future benifits.

My thoughts on the subject are simply to exclude those who chose government handouts over paying their own way from voting. The rules I would support would be to those means.

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In other words, fuck young people and make exceptions for the old. Someone's old enough to go and die for his country out of high school, but he can't be trusted to make an intelligent vote if he chooses to educate himself.

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Originally Posted by Findog

I tried posting that video using the same coding format and it didn't work. Are you using firefox or IE?

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no son its because your too stupid to read and learn the codes.

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

no son its because your too stupid to read and learn the codes.

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BRHornets45, I think you are so sexy after watching that video! I love those glasses you wear and the way you enunciate "A-rab!"

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

No, son, it's because you're too stupid to read and learn the codes.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

In other words, fuck young people and make exceptions for the old. Someone's old enough to go and die for his country out of high school, but he can't be trusted to make an intelligent vote if he chooses to educate himself.

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Are you talking about loans or grants?

A loan is not a subsidy. A grant is. My whole point is that we have voters who have a financial stake in who they put in office over those who want to take from the government. I would be open to school grant recipiants voting. But not those who are chonically on welfare type programs.

What I gave was a very basic outline. Take my purpose over any specific numbered item because the list of exceptions and reasons to deny voting would end up being rather long.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

A loan is not a subsidy. A grant is. My whole point is that we have voters who have a financial stake in who they put in office over those who want to take from the government. I would be open to school grant recipiants voting. But not those who are chonically on welfare type programs.

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Yes, it worked out so well when only white male property owners could vote. How very 18th-centuryish of you.

You're going at it from the wrong angle son.

Income should not matter.


A basic test to prove you know the current political theater would suffice.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Are you talking about loans or grants?

A loan is not a subsidy. A grant is. My whole point is that we have voters who have a financial stake in who they put in office over those who want to take from the government. I would be open to school grant recipiants voting. But not those who are chonically on welfare type programs.

What I gave was a very basic outline. Take my purpose over any specific numbered item because the list of exceptions and reasons to deny voting would end up being rather long.

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did your mom vote when you were on welfare?

How much do soldiers make in a year?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Are you talking about loans or grants?

A loan is not a subsidy. A grant is. My whole point is that we have voters who have a financial stake in who they put in office over those who want to take from the government. I would be open to school grant recipiants voting. But not those who are chonically on welfare type programs.

What I gave was a very basic outline. Take my purpose over any specific numbered item because the list of exceptions and reasons to deny voting would end up being rather long.

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A significant portion of student loans are federally-subsidized. Since you're such a stickler for the meaning of words, I figured when you said subsidies you meant subsidies, which would include federally-subsidized student loans. If you aggregate the amount of subsidized student loan debt that many young professionals have and compare it with their average tax burdens, it becomes fairly obvious that young professionals and others who must borrow money to attend college are simply not welcome to vote in your America.

Good to know.

hey wold cobra, did your mom vote when you were on welfare?

So the pigs want to make some animals more equal than others.

Shocking.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So the pigs want to make some animals more equal than others.

Shocking.

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Just wait until they realize one of their own is plotting against them.

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Originally Posted by CubanMustGo

No, son, it's because you're too stupid to read and learn the codes.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by Anti.Hero

A basic test to prove you know the current political theater would suffice.

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Fascists or people who see the country slipping away to the have-nots? Which in reality means, government pigs using illusion to just gain more power.

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Originally Posted by Anti.Hero

You're going at it from the wrong angle son.

Income should not matter.


A basic test to prove you know the current political theater would suffice.

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So, who would decide if you know 'enough'? What would 'suffice'?

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

- if they are unemployed

- if they are living off of the government via welfare, housing, etc.

- if they make LESS than $10,000 per year.

After all sons. what are these people doing for the country anyways other than living off of other peoples tax dollars??? cause God knows 95% of them will vote for Democrats to give them MORE irresponsibility ... if they even vote at all. amen. thanks sons god bless.

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More irresponsibility is teh sux.

is wild cobra going to abandon this thread without answering the question?

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Originally Posted by timvp

Great idea. Perhaps we should consider letting them count only as 3/5ths of a vote.

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I laughed.

Heartily.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Are you talking about loans or grants?

A loan is not a subsidy. A grant is. My whole point is that we have voters who have a financial stake in who they put in office over those who want to take from the government. I would be open to school grant recipiants voting. But not those who are chonically on welfare type programs.

What I gave was a very basic outline. Take my purpose over any specific numbered item because the list of exceptions and reasons to deny voting would end up being rather long.

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We should just move all of the nation's polling places several miles outside of the 'hood. And make sure they're not located on a bus route.

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

Are you guys going to clue him in or leave him in the dark. His lack of response makes you wonder if he is even black, especially since he was sensitive enough to start a thread on being called a faggot.

Ok, Ill give the first clue...

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...BED2A616C1.jpg

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what's the point? the dude is so stupid, it would be pointless. I mean, I could say "Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3" and the jackass would still be clueless as to what the "3/5ths of all other persons" is referring to :lol

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

How much do soldiers make in a year?

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Well, here is the pay chart effective January 2006:

Military Pay Charts

I don't know if they got a pay raise for 2007 and 2008. Probably not with the democrats running congress. Annually, it varies allot. If you figure a new recruit at E2 pay for 1 year, living in the barracks, no family, figure $17,128.80 plus clothing alloance, free food, free living accomodations. Not a bad pay for having all your basic living expenses paid for. It is all, after tax, your money to do as you please. Soldiers with dependance and/or who live off base get paid more.

I left with 11 years of service as an E-5 when I left in 1992, my base pay was $1430 monthly if I remember right. Today, it would be $2496.60 by the 2006 chart. Base pay is all that military personel pay taxes on. Housing allowence would probably be about $1200 here I live with COLA, Separate Rations $272.35, clothing allowence probably about $25.

hard to say, but when I left in 1992, I figured I needed a job that paid just over $18 per hour to have the same net pay after taxes. It took me a few years before I was making more after tax money than I did in the service.