Not true. And is this savage neocon capitalism working? Have you read the news lately?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
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Not true. And is this savage neocon capitalism working? Have you read the news lately?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
It seems your buddies think he ended his affiliation in 1996 or they wouldn't have said, "as recently as 1996". So should we see what McCain was doing in 1996? We already know he sat on the board of a group that was chocked full of people who gave money to Contras (who many people deemed terrorists). We recently found out a large supporter of his once said a woman who shot an abortion doctor was a "fine lady".Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Where has socialism succeeded?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
And, yes, I've read the news lately. Corruption and government interference have collapsed the financial markets...who'd of thunk it. I guarantee you socialism won't fix it.
Of course I understand. I'm not socialist in any form at the federal level. I'm very much a minimalist at the federal level. The socialist style programs are disgustingly inefficiently run, and their hybrid socialist/capitalist nature guarantees they will always cause problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
That comment was in regards to "go find a fucking boat." You denigrate it as not an American ideal, but the true ideal of America is that the people choose what the government has power over. An overwhelming number of people support welfare, wic, social security, medicare, etc. They support some forms of socialist enterprises within the government. The American ideal is that those programs continue to move forward.
If you don't want to do what the majority (and in many cases vast majority) want, YOU should "find a fucking boat".
Now, that I can agree with. America is the heart and soul of capitalism, attempting to tell the goodness of being a capitalist to the rest of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
That's why this massive fail of the economy is actually pretty catastrophic in more ways that people think.
1996 is when he signed the contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Sure, what was McCain doing in '96?
Everyone thinks Ayers was a terrorist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasta
William Ayers is a large supporter of Obama's and he didn't just say stuff, he tried to kill people. A lot of them. He still wishes he'd of been a more successful terrorist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasta
Where would I go? Honest Question. :depressedQuote:
Originally Posted by fyatuk
Nah, it wouldn't get THAT bad for a couple more decades. :toast I won't be one of those people. :lol
But to your post, you have lived life. Have you observed that the majority are usually right? In my time, the answer is no. That is America. The majority of people would rather stick out their hand then grab a shovel.
There's plenty of social democrat parties that have done pretty well in Europe and other parts of the world, by using more of a mixture of capitalism and socialism in contrast to neo-capitalism. Countries like France and Spain come to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Good question. I'll check it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
So what?Quote:
Everyone thinks Ayers was a terrorist.
He was at the democratic convention? Because this woman who praised someone who was called a "terrorist" (by the judge that sentenced her) was a delegate at this year's Republican Convention.Quote:
William Ayers is a large supporter of Obama's and he didn't just say stuff, he tried to kill people. A lot of them. He still wishes he'd of been a more successful terrorist.
Because "socialist" has an unjust negative connotation to it. People here socialist and they start thinking tyrannical corrupt regimes. Portions of socialism are already heavily accepted in US society, not just in government, but more and more in private enterprises as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Many cities and a few states have very strong socialist influences in highly conservative areas, such as Alaska and Texas. It seems every year the US moves more and more socialist, just people refuse to admit that is what it is.
The social programs that are ticking time bombs?
You are right, America has already dipped into socialism yet all people talk about is neo-con this neo-con that. As if there is not an obvious need to cut down on that shit without going deep into socialism.
That's a good point. The entire world is moving more and more towards the socialist end of the spectrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
No, but the majority is usually not disastrously wrong, either. The few people involved in a decision, the more chance for a disturbingly bad choice, but the more chance for an amazingly good choice to be made as well. That's why we have a republican form of government instead of a true democracy (besides the impossible logistics of a true democracy in a widespread society).Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
We are on the tipping scale for CHANGE in this country and the conservatives have McDoofus as their voice. That is not democracy.
he is a socialist but it doesn't matter. He is going to win by a landslide.
Obama has some socialist views...yes, that is pretty obvious if you look at the issues. He is for universal healthcare and wants to tax the wealthy in order to balance out the wealth.
And just because he has socialist views doesn't mean the country is going to go socialist.
Some are, some aren't. Social Security would be on sound footing if it was based on a progressive tax instead of a regressive structure (flat tax + cap means it affects the poor more than the rich). Medicare has clauses in it to support US pharmaceutical monopolies, etc, that if removed would greatly diminish it's required budget, etc. Many of the problems in the social programs are caused by trying to integrate strong capitalist influences in a socialist structure. Not to say they would be 100% secure without those capitalist influences, I have no idea on that, but the capitalist influences insure they will never work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
Then you have things like various levels of the government requiring people to use a service provided by a private enterprise (notably car insurance, and in some cases health insurance if many democrats have their way), which is just completely insane.
Yeah, everyone is focusing on the errors made by the neo-cons without noticing the programs with the socialist portions of our government. It's sad because Social Security needs to be addressed by the next President, but it's not being discussed as the major issue it should be. Like I said before, I'm a minimalist at the federal level, and I'd love to see those programs killed to be replaced by state level programs, but that's not happening, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
All you guys that are not alarmed of Obama having socialist views just ruined Yoni's thread!
You guys should be ashamed!
:lmao
Yonivore also has posted "evidence" that we found WMD's in Iraq.
why be alarmed when there's nothing you can do about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Yoni, have you ever heard the story about The Boy Who Cried Socialist Terrorist's Pal?
We did. In fact, some was used in an IED against out troops. Of course, it was 20 year old nerve toxin that no longer worked and it was assumed even Saddam wasn't aware that batch wasn't destroyed (since why would he keep incriminating evidence that was worthless). That cracked me up a few years ago when it happened. We also found a small quantity of chemical weapon delivery warheads that were supposed to have been destroyed with traces of expired chemicals.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Nothing you could consider dangerous or important though :hat
Exactly, plus he's not going to abolish democracy. You can vote him out in 4 years if he's truly sucking.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Not to mention that Congress won't pass everything he proposes. Especially if it's staunch socialist programs.
Is there a democrat alive who hasn't been accused of being a socialist? Calling a democrat a socialist is cliche to the nth degree.
You mean Saddam didn't have those Chemical weapon trucks that Powell so clearly presented as evidence to the UN, with satellite images and all?Quote:
Originally Posted by fyatuk
Gee Golly!