Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama

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10-09-2008
DarrinS

Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

then say that the first time and move on, don't give those stupid pussy excuses of "oh isn't that his middle name? i'm just saying his middle name, that's all". we really are a nation of 6 year olds.

To the extent that this thread has turned into a discussion of his name, instead of Powell vs. Obama, I wish I wouldn't have put it in this title.
10-09-2008
DarrinS

Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Yeah, racism isn't hugely evident in this campaign with the Hussein talk and the 'he's not like us' garbage coming from the right. Bull-shit. Powell would have no chance against Obama and would decidedly lose to even Clinton.

I seriously doubt that. Hillary is not a well-liked person. And she comes off as a little bitchy on TV, IMO.
10-09-2008
101A

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

I was raised in the Southern Baptist church, and I can't think of one person that feels the way you just described.

They (the posters you are trying to persuade) are bigots, don't even try.

Powell could beat any other American I can think of in a Presidential election.
10-09-2008
baseline bum

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Originally Posted by 101A

They (the posters you are trying to persuade) are bigots, don't even try.

Powell could beat any other American I can think of in a Presidential election.

Maybe 10 years ago when he could appeal to independents and some of the left to make up for not being able to rally the conservative base, but that presentation to the UN ensured he would get almost none of the first two groups' support. Powell made the case for going to war, and no one will ever forget that.
10-09-2008
Spurminator

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

again, how is referring to his middle name as being racists? i don't see that. if He had white skin and people brought up his middle name would you still be calling them a racist?

It's not racist against black people, it's racist against Arabs.

And the term "racist" when used as an adjective is not plural, so you should quit putting an "s" on the end when it doesn't belong. Thanks.
10-09-2008
Viva Las Espuelas

Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

It's not racist against black people, it's racist against Arabs.

And the term "racist" when used as an adjective is not plural, so you should quit putting an "s" on the end when it doesn't belong. Thanks.

i still don't see how referring to someone's middle name as being racist, no "s".

does that make boutons a racist? "dubya"
10-09-2008
timvp

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Barack is proud of his name. That's why he wanted people to start calling him Barack instead of his nickname, Barry.

Imagine that whottt conundrum.
10-09-2008
Extra Stout

Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Enough of a proportion to keep from being able to rally the evangelical vote the way Bush did (the only reason he won in 2004). A lot of people would convince themselves they're not racist but then find a way to rationalize not voting for a black man, just like they will this November 4th.

The true test there would not be whether white evangelicals will or won't vote for a black liberal, since most of them won't vote for a white liberal either. The true test would be whether they would vote for a black conservative. Powell is no conservative.

I do think there is a percentage for whom it makes a real difference, but quantifying that is hard. All I can offer are anecdotes of individuals saying, "America isn't ready for a black President," or saying things like, "I'm focusing on how Biden will run the country, because that black guy won't last a week before he gets taken out." I don't remember anybody at my church talking about murdering John Kerry.
10-09-2008
baseline bum

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

The true test there would not be whether white evangelicals will or won't vote for a black liberal, since most of them won't vote for a white liberal either. The true test would be whether they would vote for a black conservative. Powell is no conservative.

I do think there is a percentage for whom it makes a real difference, but quantifying that is hard. All I can offer are anecdotes of individuals saying, "America isn't ready for a black President," or saying things like, "I'm focusing on how Biden will run the country, because that black guy won't last a week before he gets taken out." I don't remember anybody at my church talking about murdering John Kerry.

I can't wait to see what the Bradley Effect is going to be like on this election. I wonder if it will be shifted ahead a few days in the polls since people are now more aware of it after the media has started discussing it.
10-09-2008
MannyIsGod

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Man this is a good question!

First off, anyone who wants to know the true character of Powell should read Woodward's books. They are excellent and they point out exactly how Powell was basically the only voice of calm in an administration that wanted to go after Iraq from day one.

I think Powell would win. But man, I'm not sure. Powell always appealed to me because he doesn't want the power. Those are usually the kind of people that can actually lead very well.

I don't know though. That's a really interesting hypothetical.
10-09-2008
DarrinS

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Powell would still own anybody in a presidential election. I hope whoever wins brings him back to State.

Are you being serious? I never can tell with you.
10-09-2008
ChumpDumper

Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Are you being serious? I never can tell with you.

Quite serious.
10-09-2008
MannyIsGod

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Quite serious.

I think he's done. I don't think he'll serve if asked.
10-09-2008
ChumpDumper

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Probably not, but it couldn't hurt to ask. He might take the opportunity to rehab the country's foreign relations.
10-09-2008
MannyIsGod

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I don't expect him to endorse anyone, but I wonder what he would have done if the race had been closer.
10-09-2008
timvp

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Powell is one of the most bad azz Americans of the last twenty years. That said, if I'm going to knock McCain for being too old, Powell's gotta be just about the same age so I'd have to hold that against him. 2008 Powell versus 2008 Obama, it'd be tougher but I'd probably side with Obama for much of the same reasons why I'll likely vote for Obama over McCain.

1996 or 2000 Powell would be a different story.
10-09-2008
ChumpDumper

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Yeah, I didn't realize he was 71.

Consultant or special envoy would be the most that could be hoped for these days.
10-09-2008
baseline bum

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Holy shit, Powell is 71? He sure doesn't look it at all. I thought he was in his late 50s - early 60s.

Powell before Iraq would have been one of the best candidates in history at getting independent voters. Now however, he'd have no chance because he tried to cover Bush's ass.
10-09-2008
MannyIsGod

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I had no idea he was that old. Wow.
10-09-2008
Ocotillo

Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

I was raised in the Southern Baptist church, and I can't think of one person that feels the way you just described.

I am not going to go there about whether Southern Baptists would vote for an African American or not but I too was raised as a Southern Baptist and I do know the Evangelical vote within the GOP is why John McCain ended up being the nominee rather than Mitt Romney.

Also, I think Powell is pro-choice which would also cause him problems with the Dobson types. Heck, McCain is pro-life and Dobson still doesn't like him.
10-09-2008
DarrinS

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Originally Posted by timvp

Powell is one of the most bad azz Americans of the last twenty years. That said, if I'm going to knock McCain for being too old, Powell's gotta be just about the same age so I'd have to hold that against him. 2008 Powell versus 2008 Obama, it'd be tougher but I'd probably side with Obama for much of the same reasons why I'll likely vote for Obama over McCain.

1996 or 2000 Powell would be a different story.

Back then, Powell would wipe the floor with Obama. Today, I think his rep is too scarred from any involvement with Bush Jr.
It's a damn shame, because that man was loved across the board.

I think I'm just jealous because the freakin Dems are going to have the first black president and it could've been the GOP. FUUUUUUUCK!!!!

I swear I hate GWB..
10-09-2008
SpursFanFirst

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

A lot of people would convince themselves they're not racist but then find a way to rationalize not voting for a black man, just like they will this November 4th.

:lmao So...if we don't vote for Obama, it's because he's black? Interesting.
10-09-2008
Shastafarian

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There's no doubt Powell is a great military mind. But I'm not sure he would wipe the floor with anyone. We really have no idea is he has any grasp on the economy. This isn't the 1950s when a popular general can just win the presidency on heroism alone.
10-09-2008
DarrinS

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

There's no doubt Powell is a great military mind. But I'm not sure he would wipe the floor with anyone. We really have no idea is he has any grasp on the economy. This isn't the 1950s when a popular general can just win the presidency on heroism alone.

Why does everyone assume Mr. Obama is an expert on the economy? Does he have a degree in economics?

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