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Powell fucked up because he hung out with Bush for a little too long. He quit too late. He will always be remembered as the idiot who claimed there are WMD in Iraq. His career is done.
what could he really say to Obama. Sad, he is probably scared to even go out of his house
You're a fucking dumbass. This is an established factor in elections when there is a black candidate. I fucking hate how racism is some kind of taboo that people always want to sweep under the rug. If you honestly think there aren't going to be people voting against Obama specifically because he's black, I'd like to buy a plane ticket to travel to your fairytale world.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
And I hate how there are people like you always trying to make an issue black vs. white.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Do you think EVERYONE is out to get you? There's a word for that...paranoia.
How am I trying to make every issue black vs. white? I'm pointing out there is a lot of closet racism in this country, which is undeniable unless you're living in some fantasy land.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
Given the tenor of this election, I'm literally gobsmacked that this could be shocking to anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
No one denies that racism is out there.
But there will always be someone who is racist...that doesn't mean you can generalize the way you have - Powell wouldn't get the evangelical vote because he's black. or Racist southern bible beaters won't vote for a black man. or I think most of those evangelical voters stay home November 4th if they have to choose between two black men.
Believe it or not, not every white person who votes for someone other than Obama is racist. Not every Southern Baptist is racist.
You've got your head buried in the sand if you think none of the attacks on Obama from the religious right are racially motivated. Being black is a huge strike against a candidate in an election like this, and look at the map and tell me whether or not it's the Jim Crow states that are consistently the most red. A black man like Powell would never motivate the conservative base as it stands right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
I'm so tired of people playing the victim because of the color of their skin, their gender, their age, etc.
Your assumptions that someone won't vote for Obama simply because he's black is as asinine as assuming all black people will vote for Obama because he is black.
For the record, the man is half white....but I'm sure you know that.
Are you serious? Are you saying his skin color has absolutely no bearing on whether people will vote for him? You can't possibly believe this. You're just trying to be like Whottt, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
What's the reason for not voting for him if the person voting is black? Is it still racism?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Recognizing that race is still an important issue in this country is not the same thing as "playing the victim."Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
Congrats on the Whottt-level response, SFF.
So....no response?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Seriously...
There are lots of black people out there not voting for Obama. What's the reason? Are they secretly racist? Do they not want to see another black rise to power?
It's absolutely ridiculous the way the right seems to believe this is a nation that has eradicated racism. It's no stretch of the imagination to conjecture that mostly-white voters of a mostly-white party that likes to consistently blame a lot of the country's problems on minorities would not support a black man. It's common sense.
Logic this flawed literally hurts my brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
Stating that race will be considered by some voters isn't even remotely close to stating that racism is the only reason people won't vote for Obama. Those two assertions are miles apart. To deny that there are many different reasons people won't be voting for Obama would be ignorant, but to deny that race is, for some voters, one of those reasons is equally so.
Do you really believe racism is not a reason some people will vote against Obama?
Yeah, arguments like that are proof our math education in this country is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CuckingFunt
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
I think it's a perfectly legitimate question.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Are you just going to avoid answering it?
And I have not said there isn't racism in this country. Guess what? There always will be.
And there will always be men in the workplace who feel like women don't belong.
So what?
A few bad apples...
you know the rest.
Math especially. In a rigorous math class someone learns how to construct valid arguments that can lead to conclusions based only on the soundness of their principles.Quote:
Originally Posted by CuckingFunt
Sure...there will be some who won't vote for him based on his skin color.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
But BB made generalizations earlier about "the southern baptists" and "evangelicals," etc...
No, a black person who votes against a black person is not necessarily racist. This statement means shit unless you're trying to argue that I'm saying any white person who votes against a black man is racist. Now answer my fucking question.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
The "few bad apples" idea doesn't work when racism in this country is systemic, and not just individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
What was your question?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Well I would wager the instances of racism showing up at the polls would be concentrated in the south where those religions dominate.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst