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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
Math especially. In a rigorous math class someone learns how to construct valid arguments that can lead to conclusions based only on the soundness of their principles.
It's called mathematical proofs....you use Axioms, lemmas and such...
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
SpursFanFirst
Sure...there will be some who won't vote for him based on his skin color.
But BB made generalizations earlier about "the southern baptists" and "evangelicals," etc...
Again, a flaw in logic.
One of the first comments you responded to was that "racist southern bible beaters" wouldn't vote for Powell because he's Black. You took that as a generalization that all Southern Baptists are racist. It's not. At all. It doesn't mention the Baptist faith specifically, for one thing. For another, it makes absolutely no assertion, one way or the other, about the number of "southern bible beaters" that are racist. It merely suggests that those who are "racist southern bible beaters" wouldn't support a Black candidate. I suspect that's a pretty accurate prediction.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
Nbadan
It's called mathematical proofs....you use Axioms, lemmas and such...
Axioms don't prove anything. Axioms are assumptions that usually can't be proved either way, such as the Axiom of Choice and the axioms of ZF.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
CuckingFunt
Again, a flaw in logic.
One of the first comments you responded to was that "racist southern bible beaters" wouldn't vote for Powell because he's Black. You took that as a generalization that all Southern Baptists are racist. It's not. At all. It doesn't mention the Baptist faith specifically, for one thing. For another, it makes absolutely no assertion, one way or the other, about the number of "southern bible beaters" that are racist. It merely suggests that those who are "racist southern bible beaters" wouldn't support a Black candidate. I suspect that's a pretty accurate prediction.
Nah, I meant that a pretty good proportion of bible beaters are racists. The way I wrote it is unclear though, and does essentially boil down to racist bible beater = racist, when I wanted to express that the intersection of racists and bible beaters is a pretty large set big enough to make sure that a black man could never get the needed support of the evangelical conservative base to offset the independents and lefties who are rightfully pissed at him for his role in selling the joke of a war.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
Axioms don't prove anything. Axioms are assumptions that usually can't be proved either way, such as the Axiom of Choice and the axioms of ZF.
...unless, or until, they are proven incorrect, Axioms are assumed to be correct and they are used as a bases for mathematical proofs in ZF....
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
Nbadan
...unless, or until, they are proven incorrect, Axioms are assumed to be correct and they are used as a bases for mathematical proofs in ZF....
Mathematical argument should be emphasized way more than simple calculation in our educational system.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
Shastafarian
Well I would wager the instances of racism showing up at the polls would be concentrated in the south where those religions dominate.
?Ever been to South Boston? Indiana?
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
shelshor
?Ever been to South Boston? Indiana?
Ummmm...What's wrong with Indiana? :huh
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
SpursFanFirst
I'm so tired of people playing the victim because of the color of their skin, their gender, their age, etc.
Your assumptions that someone won't vote for Obama simply because he's black is as asinine as assuming all black people will vote for Obama because he is black.
For the record, the man is half white....but I'm sure you know that.
How many times have you been pulled over and had your car searched because of the color of your skin? I'm sure thats not a situation you're sick and tired of, is it?
BTW, pointing out that he is half white is like saying a man who lost his leg still has one left. There is no such thing as "half-white" in this country, there is only "half black". I'm not too sure you'll understand the nuance, but its beyond true.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
SpursFanFirst
Ummmm...What's wrong with Indiana? :huh
sigh.
It was pointing out how your thoughts that racism is somehow confined to the South as incorrect.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
SpursFanFirst
Ummmm...What's wrong with Indiana? :huh
Current headquarters of the KKK.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
sigh.
It was pointing out how your thoughts that racism is somehow confined to the South as incorrect.
Actually, I'm pretty sure he wasn't making that comment directly to me, as I'm sure he didn't know I live in Indiana.
He also mentioned Boston. I don't know anything about Boston.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
How many times have you been pulled over and had your car searched because of the color of your skin? I'm sure thats not a situation you're sick and tired of, is it?
Obviously, this has never happened to me..but I'm sure it has never happened to the majority of people out there, regardless of the color of their skin.
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BTW, pointing out that he is half white is like saying a man who lost his leg still has one left. There is no such thing as "half-white" in this country, there is only "half black". I'm not too sure you'll understand the nuance, but its beyond true.
Whatever, Manny. I'm not the first person out there to mention he's half white.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
Findog
Current headquarters of the KKK.
Oh yes, I forgot...those morons speak for ALL of Indiana. In fact, every person here in this state is somehow affiliated with the KKK.
This MUST be why Obama has been here practically every other week campaigning. He feels he can turn the hate of every person here around.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
SpursFanFirst
Obviously, this has never happened to me..but I'm sure it has never happened to the majority of people out there, regardless of the color of their skin.
Whatever, Manny. I'm not the first person out there to mention he's half white.
Oh you're sure are you? I'm sure it hasn't happaned to the majority of people either, since the majority of people are white.
But the majority of minorities? I don't know, depends on where they live. I live in a hispanic dominated city and yet I've somehow managed to have it happen to me more than once. Amazing isn't it, considering racism is dead?
As for the second part I didn't expect you to get the nuance.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
SpursFanFirst
Actually, I'm pretty sure he wasn't making that comment directly to me, as I'm sure he didn't know I live in Indiana.
He also mentioned Boston. I don't know anything about Boston.
I'm really really really trying hard not to be a condescending asshole mainly because I think you're a nice person and not the usual type of poster in this forum but you're making it extremely difficult with these answers.
I just explained to you what Shelshor's response to you meant.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
SpursFanFirst
Oh yes, I forgot...those morons speak for ALL of Indiana. In fact, every person here in this state is somehow affiliated with the KKK.
This MUST be why Obama has been here practically every other week campaigning. He feels he can turn the hate of every person here around.
NO ONE IS SAYING THAT EVERYONE IN INDIANA IS A RACIST. Jesus christ please stop painting everything with such broad strokes.
This is about as simple as it can be broken down and several people have already tried to explain it to you. When the subject of racism is brought up as a factor in this election that does not mean that every white person is a racist. Something being a factor does not mean it is a factor for EVERYONE but it doesn't take EVERYONE to make a difference.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
Oh you're sure are you? I'm sure it hasn't happaned to the majority of people either, since the majority of people are white.
But the majority of minorities? I don't know, depends on where they live. I live in a hispanic dominated city and yet I've somehow managed to have it happen to me more than once. Amazing isn't it, considering racism is dead?
As for the second part I didn't expect you to get the nuance.
I'm sorry....Point to the comment where I said racism is dead?
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
sigh.
It was pointing out how your thoughts that racism is somehow confined to the South as incorrect.
Where in the world did I mention that racism is confined to the south?
I never said that!
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
Right here
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I'm so tired of people playing the victim because of the color of their skin, their gender, their age, etc.
Or was your assertion that when the color of my skin makes me a victim I should simply shut up and take it?
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
SpursFanFirst
Where in the world did I mention that racism is confined to the south?
I never said that!
Doh, you didn't. I attributed someone else's post to you and I apologize for that.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
NO ONE IS SAYING THAT EVERYONE IN INDIANA IS A RACIST. Jesus christ please stop painting everything with such broad strokes.
This is about as simple as it can be broken down and several people have already tried to explain it to you. When the subject of racism is brought up as a factor in this election that does not mean that every white person is a racist. Something being a factor does not mean it is a factor for EVERYONE but it doesn't take EVERYONE to make a difference.
I'm not the one "painting this in broad strokes."
I didn't start this...BB did by insinuating that that evangelicals and southern baptists and whatnot wouldn't vote for a black man, etc.
And there have been others on here that assume, if you don't vote for the black man, it must be for racial reasons...there can't possibly be another explanation.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
Evangelicals and southern baptists are far less likely to vote for a black man. That's a fact. You can dispute it all you want but social demographics are what they are and there is a lot of sociological evidence to back this up.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
Right here
Or was your assertion that when the color of my skin makes me a victim I should simply shut up and take it?
Nope. there are lots of people out there who truly are the victims of race or gender. I understand that.
But I also know there are people out there who look at that see themselves as victims because they have the same color of skin or the same gender.
Obviously, I'm a female, as indicated by my avatar...if I didn't get a promotion at work, I'd never say..."Oh, it's because I'm a woman. I bet so and so got it because he's a man, and this place doesn't appreciate women in the workplace."
That's just one example, but I feel this happens when race is involved a lot too.
It seems so many feel entitled to jobs or whatever simply because of past inequities.
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Re: Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
Doh, you didn't. I attributed someone else's post to you and I apologize for that.
That's cool.