Colin Powell vs. Obama Hussein Obama

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

Nope. there are lots of people out there who truly are the victim of race or gender. I understand that.
But I also know there are people out there who look at that see themselves as victims because they have the same color of skin or the same gender.

Obviously, I'm a female, as indicated by my avatar...if I didn't get a promotion at work, I'd never say..."Oh, it's because I'm a woman. I bet so and so got it because he's a man, and this place doesn't appreciate women in the workplace."
That's just one example, but I feel this happens when race is involved a lot too.

It seems so many feel entitled to jobs or whatever simply because of past inequities.

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Let me ask you this, do you ever wonder why women on average make less then men? Do you feel its because women on average are inferior workers?

OR, why are there so many more black men in jail? Is it because black men are more likely to be criminals?

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Let me ask you this, do you ever wonder why women on average make less then men? Do you feel its because women on average are inferior workers?

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Nope. Not at all.
I'm in the workforce, and perhaps I make less than my co-workers...I don't know.
If I found out I made less than them - well sure, I'm think that sucks...if in fact I made less due to the fact I'm a women.
But I'm not going to sit around and whine about it.
I have a job. I make pretty decent money. I enjoy what I do. I'm grateful.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

Nope. Not at all.
I'm in the workforce, and perhaps I make less than my co-workers...I don't know.
If I found out I made less than them - well sure, I'm think that sucks...if in fact I made less due to the fact I'm a women.
But I'm not going to sit around and whine about it.
I have a job. I make pretty decent money. I enjoy what I do. I'm grateful.

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So what you're saying is better to sit and take inequality as opposed to speaking up against it? Wow.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

OR, why are there so many more black men in jail? Is it because black men are more likely to be criminals?

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Honestly, I've never sat down and read statistics on this or pondered it.

I will say this though - I work in news. On a daily basis, when doing crime-related stories, it would seem there are more black men or women involved in crimes.

We seem to have a pretty high crime rate in this city, especially this year. Most of that crime happens in the areas predominantly black.

I mean, I don't know. Coincidence?

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

Honestly, I've never sat down and read statistics on this or pondered it.

I will say this though - I work in news. On a daily basis, when doing crime-related stories, it would seem there are more black men or women involved in crimes.

We seem to have a pretty high crime rate in this city, especially this year. Most of that crime happens in the areas predominantly black.

I mean, I don't know. Coincidence?

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I'm just going to say this. Coincidences don't happen on a large scale in society. You say you yourself have noticed some of these things, but have never thought to question why. What do you think this says? Is it possible on some subconscious level you associate black people with more likely to commit crimes because of this? Given that is a possible you'd have a predisposition to disliking Barak Obama?

Just think about that for a bit.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

So what you're saying is better to sit and take inequality as opposed to speaking up against it? Wow.

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haha...no. If there was something I thought was seriously wrong, I'd say something.

But again, I'm not going to sit around and talk about how life is unfair because I'm a woman.

Here's an example though of something I've spoken out against in the workplace:
I work with a guy who is currently the acting news director.

We will never be "friends," as he and I seem to personally clash...but this does not mean I won't work with him and try to make things better in the workplace.
If he is producing my show, I will follow the same routine I use on a daily basis with other producers. I show him the respect I show them.
I don't get this in return from him.
Instead, if he has a question, he will instead ask my male co-worker for the answer...in front of me, no less.
If I point out a problem before the show, he will, on purpose, choose to leave the mistake in place and say it's because he wants it like that.
If my co-worker pointed it out, he would change it.

I know this. I have tried talking to him, to no avail. Eventually, I took the problem to my boss.

My point is this - it is an isolated problem. I don't think every male at the station views women in the same light; therefore, I'm not going to take my feelings about this man out on everyone else. I'm not going to assume that every man feels the way he does.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I'm just going to say this. Coincidences don't happen on a large scale in society. You say you yourself have noticed some of these things, but have never thought to question why. What do you think this says? Is it possible on some subconscious level you associate black people with more likely to commit crimes because of this? Given that is a possible you'd have a predisposition to disliking Barak Obama?

Just think about that for a bit.

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No. I'm just being honest. It's not something I'm interested in finding information on, so I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it.
I know it's out there though. And I recognize the crime stories as typically being in a particular part of town.
I can't speak for other cities - only what I've witnessed here.
If there is a crime in this city, probably 7 or 8 times out of 10, there is a black person involved.
I recognize this, but I don't then sit around thinking every black person is bad and will most likely commit a crime.

This has nothing to do with Obama. I simply don't trust him. It has nothing to do with him being black. I couldn't care less.
I said yesterday that I'd vote for Colin Powell in a heartbeat.
If Rice was running for office, I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.

I think Obama is a slick talker. I think he says and does alot of things to simply win the vote...he changes with the moment based on what will make him more popular.
I felt the same way about Kerry.
And McCain? I'm not completely sold on him anymore either.

I'm only voting for the black half of Obama.


I hate white people. They're all racist scum.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I'm just going to say this. Coincidences don't happen on a large scale in society. You say you yourself have noticed some of these things, but have never thought to question why. What do you think this says? Is it possible on some subconscious level you associate black people with more likely to commit crimes because of this? Given that is a possible you'd have a predisposition to disliking Barak Obama?

Just think about that for a bit.

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congratulations on the race baiting there. your "i'm a proud liberal" bumper sticker is in the mail.

just wow.

Well i think its fine that people think they can be surrounded - by self admission here - negative images of black people and then expect to make a decision on a black man without that factoring in. Sadly, the human brain does not work in that manner. But if you want to ignore simple sociology thats not my problem.

:lol OK...well, Manny and I are obviously at an impasse.
That's fine.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

I am not voting for Obama, and it is NOT because he's black. I couldn't care less.

If he wins, I hope he'll be successful. This country needs something good right about now.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

Honestly, I've never sat down and read statistics on this or pondered it.

I will say this though - I work in news. On a daily basis, when doing crime-related stories, it would seem there are more black men or women involved in crimes.

We seem to have a pretty high crime rate in this city, especially this year. Most of that crime happens in the areas predominantly black.

I mean, I don't know. Coincidence?

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Wow.

Have you ever questioned the correlation between the crimes you're researching and they fact they're going to be presented as news?

Or have you ever questioned that perhaps the crime rate in these areas is due not to race, but rather decades upon decades of systemic oppression, based largely on issues of both race and class, predicated on the need to keep certain people within the lower income, high crime, predominantly black neighborhoods?

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Originally Posted by CuckingFunt

Wow.

Have you ever questioned the correlation between the crimes you're researching and they fact they're going to be presented as news?

Or have you ever questioned that perhaps the crime rate in these areas is due not to race, but rather decades upon decades of systemic oppression, based largely on issues of both race and class, predicated on the need to keep certain people within the lower income, high crime, predominantly black neighborhoods?

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:lol I'm not the reporter. I'm a director.

this whole back and forth of this reminds of an article that ran in the Observer up here about all the crime that was happening here in Deep Ellum right before it went to hell. racial tensions were high down there. it's funny the paper adamantly stated that it wasn't a black or white issue yet all the people in cuffs they pictured were all black. just something i thought i'd interject.