George Bush: Worst President in US History?

Has there ever been a President in our nation's history that has presided over more disasters (foreign, economic, natural, etc.) than Bush?

-9/11
-Katrina
-Economic Meltdown - Worst since Great Depression
-Enhanced interrogation/torture/extraordinary rendition
-Turned billion dollar surplus into billion dollar debt
-Added trillions of dollars to our national debt
-Weakening of the dollar
-Halliburton/Blackwater
-The U.S. attorney scandals
-Alienation of U.S. allies
-FISA/illegal wiretapping
-Worst of all - an increasingly divided and polarized nation

This is just off the top of my head. It's incredible when you think about just how spectacular a failure he was with full Republican control for the majority of time he was in office. Just incredible.

You forgot the worst two things he did:

1) Go to war with Iraq on bullshit intelligence from a shady source that turned out false.
2) Completely disregard Powell, the State Department, and the Army and go all-out with the ridiculous plan for war that Rumsfeld and Cheney devised. It's almost like Cheney's plan was to ensure chaos in Iraq.

9/11 can't really be blamed on Bush, and Katrina could have killed far fewer had there been any real leadership in New Orleans and in Louisiana. The rest of your points are fair game though.

And yes, he's easily the worst president the US has ever had the misfortune of having.

Afghan war is a complete mess too. Also: Where is Osama?

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Originally Posted by velik_m

Afghan war is a complete mess too. Also: Where is Osama?

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At least that war is justified.

Oh shit how did I forget about Iraq?

Good God, I can't even keep track of his fuckups anymore.

No mention of NCLB?

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Originally Posted by Colombiano972

No mention of NCLB?

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Wow. Yeah, teaching a standardized test in class is a joke. I knew Bush would push it nationwide though after seeing him do it in Texas as governor.

Are we forgetting anything now?

He has silly ears.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Are we forgetting anything now?

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Bush Doctrine and how promotes all this BS preventive war and intervention crap.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Are we forgetting anything now?

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Wanting to lift the conservation laws was a huge negative mark from me, but most probably don't remember it.

Medicare Part D

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

9/11 can't really be blamed on Bush.

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One word: Thermite.

And those missiles didn't put themselves on those "airliners".

the thermite wouldn't have blown if the green smoke was seen in time

Bush was taking month long vacations prior to 9/11. I use to dislike him but now I just feel sorry for him. He just doesn't have the capacity to lead and we've all paid the price for it.

Besides trying to eliminate environmental legal protections he did see to it that they were not enforced. How about politicizing the Justice Department so to use the government as an extension of the Republican party (Nixon would have been so jealous!)? We can proudly claim to have tortured more people than Putin's (Bush's soul-mate) Russia. Did we already mention the deficits? How about slapping down those ungrateful working-class people by taking away time-and-a half overtime? Those revisions to the bankruptcy laws are really going to kick in now to benefit the same companies that are tapping the borrower's tax money.

The irony of tossing someone out of their house and raking their ass over in bankruptcy court while using the poor saps tax money to enhance the value of the lender's stock is so deliciously Republican.

Carter was pretty bad too . . .

You must be crazy. Bush is getting a face on Rushmore right next to Washington. Everyone knows this.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

You must be crazy. Bush is getting a face on Rushmore right next to Washington. Everyone knows this.

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Yoni, you around?

ANd yet, I guarantee, he doesn't care, because the pockets of big oil CEOs got richer, and he's not going to be living in poverty during this recession, either. And that's pretty much all he's ever cared about.

How he gets to call himself a patriot or a Christian, I don't know. We should strip him of both titles.

typical liberal, bash Bush bs thread. I'm so tired of all your crap.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

One word: Thermite.

And those missiles didn't put themselves on those "airliners".

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FUCK you

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Originally Posted by Crookshanks

typical liberal, bash Bush bs thread. I'm so tired of all your crap.

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You can participate in the thread too. If you think some of those issues have been unfairly tied to Bush, please say so... otherwise, STFU neocon bitch.

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Originally Posted by Supergirl

ANd yet, I guarantee, he doesn't care, because the pockets of big oil CEOs got richer, and he's not going to be living in poverty during this recession, either. And that's pretty much all he's ever cared about.

How he gets to call himself a patriot or a Christian, I don't know. We should strip him of both titles.

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Democrats only care about average citizens.


Sincerely,


AIG Executives

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Democrats only care about average citizens.

Sincerely,
AIG Executives

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That's funny, because AIG was bailed out by the Treasury, not Congress...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

That's funny, because AIG was bailed out by the Treasury, not Congress...

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You get my point, no?

Worse than Warren G. Harding would be pretty difficult, despite his short term. He was at least cognizant of his failures. His own words: "I am not fit for this office and should never have been here."

What will be difficult in addressing with Bush's legacy is the magnitude of the events with which he dealt. This made his failings on multiple fronts all the more epic in the end, but does that make him the worst president? It will take some time to put it in context.

Harry Truman had a very low approval rating. But, IMO, he was one of the best presidents.

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You get my point, no?

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No, I don't. If you speak about the bailout, it didn't pass on Democrat majority.
Plus AIG was 'rescued' by a member of this administration before the bailout ever passed.

Back to Bush and his administration, I think it will take time to put his administration in perspective. One of the things people will wonder is why, if he was so terrible, he managed to get reelected. And the democrats might be guilty of that for putting a terrible candidate in Kerry.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Back to Bush and his administration, I think it will take time to put his administration in perspective. One of the things people will wonder is why, if he was so terrible, he managed to get reelected. And the democrats might be guilty of that for putting a terrible candidate in Kerry.

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I think you have to differentiate between the Bush administration's ability to campaign, and their competence in governing. In terms of campaigning, the fact that he was able to win reelection is incredible. Kerry was probably not the best candidate to throw out there, but Republicans torpedoed him so effectively that you have to give them credit.

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Originally Posted by TheProfessor

Worse than Warren G. Harding would be pretty difficult, despite his short term. He was at least cognizant of his failures. His own words: "I am not fit for this office and should never have been here."

What will be difficult in addressing with Bush's legacy is the magnitude of the events with which he dealt. This made his failings on multiple fronts all the more epic in the end, but does that make him the worst president? It will take some time to put it in context.

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I agree.

He could soon qualify for worst head of state of any country any time.

Just wait until the financial meltdown is complete.

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Originally Posted by TheProfessor

Worse than Warren G. Harding would be pretty difficult, despite his short term. He was at least cognizant of his failures. His own words: "I am not fit for this office and should never have been here."

What will be difficult in addressing with Bush's legacy is the magnitude of the events with which he dealt. This made his failings on multiple fronts all the more epic in the end, but does that make him the worst president? It will take some time to put it in context.

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Warren Harding didn't lie this nation into an unnecessary and illegal war, so he gets the edge over Bush. About the worst thing that can be said about him is that he put the regulatory agencies in the hands of the very people that were supposed to be regulated.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Back to Bush and his administration, I think it will take time to put his administration in perspective. One of the things people will wonder is why, if he was so terrible, he managed to get reelected. And the democrats might be guilty of that for putting a terrible candidate in Kerry.

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Bush was a wartime incumbent. That is a POWERFUL strength to have in a re-election bid, and he still barely won by the skin of his teeth. I'm not sure that any Democrat besides Hillary could've beaten him in 2004, and she was to cowardly to run against him then. Obama was a state senator at the time.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Warren Harding didn't lie this nation into an unnecessary and illegal war, so he gets the edge over Bush. About the worst thing that can be said about him is that he put the regulatory agencies in the hands of the very people that were supposed to be regulated.

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Are you talking about Harding or Bush? :lol

That's actually an interesting parallel between the two - cronyism.

I'd give it to Wilson or possibly Carter. I don't think Carter had his own hit squad like Wilson did. From this point on whoever can protect us from a terrorist attack for less than 7 1/2 years will be labeled the worst president in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

No, I don't. If you speak about the bailout, it didn't pass on Democrat majority.
Plus AIG was 'rescued' by a member of this administration before the bailout ever passed.

Back to Bush and his administration, I think it will take time to put his administration in perspective. One of the things people will wonder is why, if he was so terrible, he managed to get reelected. And the democrats might be guilty of that for putting a terrible candidate in Kerry.

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Um, Bush got re-elected because of single-issue voters who chose him because he pledged to make an amendment to the constitution to ban gay marriage. Christians fucked this country over again.

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Originally Posted by DMX7

Bush was taking month long vacations prior to 9/11. I use to dislike him but now I just feel sorry for him. He just doesn't have the capacity to lead and we've all paid the price for it.

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I forgot about that. In his first term, Bush was the laziest president in the history of this country. All he did was go on vacation to the ranch in Crawford.

Nixon

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Um, Bush got re-elected because of single-issue voters who chose him because he pledged to make an amendment to the constitution to ban gay marriage. Christians fucked this country over again.

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Its the dmes that let it be an issue in the first place. Notice how nobody's talked about gay marriage at all this year. If Kerry came out and said no legalized gay marriage while I'm in office. He might have got some votes

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

Its the dmes that let it be an issue in the first place. Notice how nobody's talked about gay marriage at all this year. If Kerry came out and said no legalized gay marriage while I'm in office. He might have got some votes

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The Dems aren't the party that hides behind the church to justify bigotry.

For all the things president Bush has done poorly, he has done even more right. Even if you disagree with that, he is very far away from being the worse president.

Why are you liberals still worried about president Bush? Isn't it time to look forward, not back?

Say what you will. I give you this. If Barack Husien Obaama is elected, he will take the number 1 worse president spot easily. I honestly believe history will show such a thing, but that won't be till at least a couple decades that history gets things right. It took more than three decades to exonerate McCarthy.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

For all the things president Bush has done poorly, he has done even more right. Even if you disagree with that, he is very far away from being the worse president.

Why are you liberals still worried about president Bush? Isn't it time to look forward not back?

Say what you will. I give you this. If Barack Husien Obaama is elected, he will take the number 1 worse president spot easily. I honestly believe history will show such a thing, but that won't be till at least a couple decades that history gets things right. It took more than three decades to exonerate McCarthy.

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What exactly has Bush done right? And McCarthy? Are you fucking serious? He was justified because that anorexic fuck Ann Coulter said so?

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No, I have to disagree. He was an able and competent President. His domestic policies were actually quite liberal by today's standards. His fault was using the federal machinery to screw his opponents. You could make a better case that he had the worst moral failings of all Presidents.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

It took more than three decades to exonerate McCarthy.

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McCarthy was "exonarated" by Ann Coulter, right? nuff said.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

The Dems aren't the party that hides behind the church to justify bigotry.

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And thats why they lose. Look at some of the dems that won seats for the Senate/House some actually leaned to the other side just a tad. The problem with the dems is that they are so far right they're off the fucking map. And they alienate moderates.

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Originally Posted by Findog

You could make a better case that he had the worst moral failings of all Presidents.

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Clinton had that, I don't condone adultery with cows

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

Clinton had that, I don't condone adultery with cows

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You don't condone sex with anybody, under any conditions, apparently.

But yeah, adultery = using the power of your office to persecute people. Real astute analysis there, sparky.

How many people would shed a tear if this fucker got assassinated?

I'd be interested, too, in knowing about the things that Bush got right that outweigh the extremely important things that he's screwed up. If there are so many of those things, surely a recitation of them won't be difficult for Wild Cobra to conjure (cue: "I'm not posting it because all of you libs will twist my words" rant).

I'm also interested to know how McCarthy was exonerated for anything.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

What exactly has Bush done right?

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Several things. You just disagree, but others like what he has done. I'm not going to hash that out again. I'm tired of beating a dead horse.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

And McCarthy? Are you fucking serious? He was justified because that anorexic fuck Ann Coulter said so?

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Yes, I'm serious.

Read the released material related to Project Venona some time. McCarthy was right about nearly everything he said, and those names he withheld. He was not wrong about much. Besides, He was not part of the HAUC which was run by the democrat majority and targeted innocent people, but rather, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations which only subpoenaed government workers.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Several things. You just disagree, but others like what he has done. I'm not going to hash that out again. I'm tired of beating a dead horse.

Yes, I'm serious.

Read the released material related to Project Venona some time. McCarthy was right about nearly everything he said, and those names he withheld. He was not wrong about much. Besides, He was not part of the HAUC which was run by the democrat majority and targeted innocent people, but rather, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations which only subpoenaed government workers.

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:lmao @ your revisionist history.

"Bush did a lot of things right. Don't ask me to list them, you libtards just don't get it."

"McCarthy was exonerated."

Breathtaking stupidity and ignorance. Are you proud to be so stupid? I thought it was something to be ashamed of.

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Originally Posted by Findog

"Bush did a lot of things right. Don't ask me to list them, you libtards just don't get it."

"McCarthy was exonerated."

Breathtaking stupidity and ignorance. Are you proud to be so stupid? I thought it was something to be ashamed of.

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No, anti-intellectualism is a badge of honor to the right. Why do you think they keep throwing morons like Bush and Palin out to run the country?

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

How many people would shed a tear if this fucker got assassinated?

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wow. stay classy
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Originally Posted by baseline bum

How many people would shed a tear if this fucker got assassinated?

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A hell of allot more than if you were.

On further reflection, I think I would too, because then Cheney would become the fucking president.

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A hell of allot more than if you were.

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No one but you would be happy about it though, since I don't have the blood of thousands on my hands.

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wow. stay classy
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i seemed to have left ", jackass" from my last post.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

i seemed to have left ", jackass" from my last post.

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Have you ever made a post on this forum more than one sentence long? Please link me to any thread in which you've ever done any kind of analysis whatsoever. Most of the time you look like a bot programmed to come throw a neocon catchphrase on the forum every 20 minutes or so.

not only worst president of the USA. Worst president of any country

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

not only worst president of the USA. Worst president of any country

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Well, if you limit it to "president" perhaps...but let's not forget that Hitler was a democratically elected leader in Germany.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Have you ever made a post on this forum more than one sentence long? Please link me to any thread in which you've ever done any kind of analysis whatsoever. Most of the time you look like a bot programmed to come throw a neocon catchphrase on the forum every 20 minutes or so.

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to answer your question, yes. i believe in quality, not quantity. on with your wishing of death, bum. shake those haters off. :toast

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Well, if you limit it to "president" perhaps...but let's not forget that Hitler was a democratically elected leader in Germany.

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one order of Godwin's Law coming right up.

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not only worst president of the USA. Worst president of any country

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perhaps?

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not only worst president of the USA. Worst president of any country

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No way. Not by any stretch of the imagination...

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one order of Godwin's Law coming right up.

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I thought about that. I hate it when that happens. No matter how bad Bush has been he hasn't been as systematically hateful and cruel as Hitler was.

And by the way, even he said immediately after 9/11 that we must not look for scapegoats or take out our rage on Arab Americans.

:rolleyes @ this thread. Hyperbole much?

Bush has reigned over eight years that has definitely had more downs than ups. But I'd imagine most would agree that 9/11 might have had just a little bit to do with that. He had to deal with one of the most difficult times in American history and while he definitely made a lot of mistakes along the way, it's much too early to be saying he's the worst president ever.

When history looks back on him, they'll remember him as the 9/11 president. Bush wasn't 100% guilt-free in the chaos before and after 9/11, but he didn't even come close to making the worst possible errors. In fact, he'll likely be commended by history for not allowing another 9/11 attack in the last ~7 years of his presidency.

It's going to take a while to judge how good or bad Bush was. If the next couple presidents "correct" some of Bush's policies and the result is more 9/11 type attacks, Bush won't be regarded as anything close to the worst president ever. If Iraq actually becomes a halfway decent country and a key American ally, Bush will win historical points. Basically, you can't start judging a president's historical placement when he hasn't even left office.

All told, Bush will be remembered by how he reacted directly after 9/11 and not by how much he hugged a tree or whether or not he could have lessened a cyclical downturn in the economy. He'll likely be remembered as a bottom 25% president but if you think the last eight years have gone as poorly as possibly, you are delusional. All things considered, the United States is in a fairly good position compared to the worse possible outcomes.

I'm on record as saying I would have liked Clinton or Obama more than Bush. But when the options were Bush or Gore and Bush or Kerry, I think the U.S. made the right choice both times.

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Originally Posted by timvp

:rolleyes @ this thread. Hyperbole much?

Bush has reigned over eight years that has definitely had more downs than ups. But I'd imagine most would agree that 9/11 might have had just a little bit to do with that. He had to deal with one of the most difficult times in American history and while he definitely made a lot of mistakes along the way, it's much too early to be saying he's the worst president ever.

When history looks back on him, they'll remember him as the 9/11 president. Bush wasn't 100% guilt-free in the chaos before and after 9/11, but he didn't even come close to making the worst possible errors. In fact, he'll likely be commended by history for not allowing another 9/11 attack in the last ~7 years of his presidency.

It's going to take a while to judge how good or bad Bush was. If the next couple presidents "correct" some of Bush's policies and the result is more 9/11 type attacks, Bush won't be regarded as anything close to the worst president ever. If Iraq actually becomes a halfway decent country and a key American ally, Bush will win historical points. Basically, you can't start judging a president's historical placement when he hasn't even left office.

All told, Bush will be remembered by how he reacted directly after 9/11 and not by how much he hugged a tree or whether or not he could have lessened a cyclical downturn in the economy. He'll likely be remembered as a bottom 25% president but if you think the last eight years have gone as poorly as possibly, you are delusional. All things considered, the United States is in a fairly good position compared to the worse possible outcomes.

I'm on record as saying I would have liked Clinton or Obama more than Bush. But when the options were Bush or Gore and Bush or Kerry, I think the U.S. made the right choice both times.

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Denial's a helluva thing isn't it?

Bush's Reign of Error: A Timeline

By Nick Baumann and Dave Gilson

News: "You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you’re gone." —W.


2000

November Election fiasco; Sandra Day O'Connor gripes that a Gore win would ruin her retirement plans.
• Thousands of people are wrongly turned away from the polls in Florida due to a flawed voter "purge" list produced by a private company; many have names that bear slight similarities to those of felons. Bush wins Florida by 537 votes.


December Supreme Court: We have a winner!


2001

January Would-be labor secretary Linda Chavez revealed to have hired an illegal immigrant.
• Ousting Saddam Hussein discussed at first national security meeting.

February Dick Cheney secretly meets with oil executives to write energy policy.

March Bush nixes new standards for arsenic in drinking water.

May FEMA chief Joe Allbaugh says the administration plans to privatize many of FEMA's functions. Meanwhile, FEMA planners report a strong hurricane hitting New Orleans is "among the three likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country."

August Bush's monthlong vacation interrupted by intel briefing: Osama bin Laden "determined to strike in US."

September Terrorists attack; "The Pet Goat" is immortalized.
• White House pressures epa to downplay risks of breathing at ground zero.
• Bush: "This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile."

November Bin Laden escapes from Tora Bora.

December Attorney General John Ashcroft: Administration critics "give ammunition to America's enemies."
• Enron collapses; Bush disavows "Kenny Boy" Lay.
• White House begins planning the invasion of Iraq.

2002

January Gitmo's grand opening; Bush says Geneva Conventions don't apply there.

February Pentagon says it's closing its fake-news operation; Donald Rumsfeld later says it's still running.

March White House asks nsa to start warrantless wiretaps.
• Bush says he's "not that concerned" about finding bin Laden.

August Justice Dept. lawyers draft the "torture memo."


September Condoleezza Rice warns, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

November gop jams Democratic phones in New Hampshire election; White House is tied to one of the jammers.
• After fighting creation of 9/11 Commission, Bush names Henry Kissinger to head it. (He lasts 2 weeks.)

December FEMA head Allbaugh resigns. In 2003, he is replaced by his pal Michael Brown, who had been fired from his previous job at the International Arabian Horse Association.

2003

January In State of the Union, Bush cites "sexed up" British dossier saying Iraq sought uranium from Niger. The prez "is not a fact-checker," official later explains.

February Colin Powell presents phony Iraq intel at the un.
• Gigolo-turned-reporter Jeff Gannon gets a White House press pass.

March US invades Iraq. Bush says it comes down to the "single question" of wmd. Update: still looking...
• FEMA is downgraded and folded into the Department of Homeland Security.
• Halliburton wins $7 billion, 5-year, no-bid contract in Iraq.

April Pentagon pumps up rescue of Pfc. Jessica Lynch; she later says its tale was "hype."
• Rumsfeld on looting in Baghdad: "Stuff happens."

May Mission Accomplished!

June Janet Rehnquist, the inspector general for the Department of Health and Human Services, resigns. She delayed an audit of Florida's retirement system on behalf of Jeb Bush, then running for reelection as governor of Florida.

July Bush dares Iraqi insurgents: "Bring 'em on."
• Joseph Wilson blows the whistle on phony wmd claim; his wife, Valerie Plame Wilson, is outed as an undercover cia officer. Bush says he'll fire the leaker.

September Congress defunds Total Information Awareness. Fast-forward to 2008: The nsa is doing everything tia had planned to.

2004

March At the Radio and Television Correspondents' Association dinner, Bush mocks his administration's inability to find Saddam's nonexistent WMD: "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere."

April Abu Ghraib photos leaked; Bush says he'll "make sure this doesn't happen again."
• Pat Tillman killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan; Pentagon spins the story 180 degrees.
• White House bans photos of soldiers' flag-draped coffins.

May GAO reports the White House illegally created fake news reports to promote its Medicare bill.

June Two years later, Cheney is still pushing bogus link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

September The Justice Department admits its 2003 prosecution of a "terror cell" in Detroit was filled with "mistakes and oversights," asks for the convictions to be overturned.

October Unsolved mystery: What was the bulge on Bush's back during the presidential debates?

November Coalition Provisional Authority comptroller nabbed for taking $1 million in bribes. Fast-forward to 2008: $15 billion in US funds have gone mia in Iraq.

December Bernard Kerik named to head Dept. of Homeland Security. Too bad about the sketchy friends and ground zero love nest!
• Bush gives Presidential Medal of Freedom to ex-Iraq proconsul Paul Bremer and ex-cia chief George "Slam Dunk" Tenet.

2005

january USA Today reports that Armstrong Williams got $240K to shill for No Child Left Behind.

march Bush cuts vacation short to keep Terri Schiavo (and Jeb's career) alive.
• New York Times reports that TV stations aired hundreds of administration-made "video news releases" as news.

june Former lobbyist Philip Cooney quits White House Council on Environmental Quality—after editing global warming out of reports.
• A New Orleans newspaper reports that the local district of the US Army Corps of Engineers is facing a record cut in federal funding.

august Hurricane Katrina slams New Orleans. As storm approaches, fema staff is told to stand down; Wal-Mart delivers relief supplies. fema chief Michael Brown emails colleagues about how he looks on TV: "I am a fashion god"; he resigns 2 weeks later.

september: Bush says no one thought the levees would break; video later shows he as warned about it.

october Harriet Miers spends 24 days as Supreme Court nominee.
• Bush's deputy attorney general nominee Timothy Flanigan withdraws his name over his connections to Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff and torture memo.
• osha finds high levels of formaldehyde in fema trailers; more than 100,000 storm victims are housed in them anyway.

november Oil execs lie to Congress about secret meetings with Cheney.

2006

january Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff pleads guilty to corruption. Bush: "I don't know him." Abramoff: "Perhaps he has forgotten everything."

february Cheney shoots hunting pal in the face. Victim apologizes.
• nasa aide George Deutsch resigns; had gagged top climate scientist. (See Return of the Geeks.)

april Six retired generals say Rumsfeld should step down; Bush: "I'm the decider."
• Boston Globe uncovers Bush's signing-statement mania—now up to more than 1,100.

may cia head Porter Goss suddenly resigns; so does his No. 3, Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, later indicted for bribery.

june David Safavian, former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget, is convicted of lying to investigators about his ties to Abramoff.

august Roger Stillwell, an Interior Department official, pleads guilty to failing to report hundreds of dollars of gifts from Abramoff. Stillwell regulated the Northern Mariana Islands, where Abramoff's corporate clients wanted to keep sweatshop wages low.

october Ex-fda chief Lester Crawford pleads guilty to hiding stock in the companies he regulated.

november Bush before midterm elections: Rumsfeld isn't going anywhere; one day after the vote: I lied—Rummy's outta here.

december Seven US attorneys are asked to resign for not being, in the words of a top Justice official, "loyal Bushies."

2007

february Washington Post finds roaches, mouse poop, neglect, and PO'd wounded vets at Walter Reed.

march Ex-Interior No. 2 J. Steven Griles pleads guilty to Abramoff-related obstruction.
• Congress looks into Rove aide's pro-gop campaign briefings to federal employees.
• Chinese import scare reveals lax oversight. (See The Chinavore's Dilemma.) Cheney aide "Scooter" Libby is convicted of lying; Bush commutes his sentence.

april White House says 5 million emails may be "lost." (See Control, Delete, Escape.)
• AG Alberto Gonzales testifies before Congress, says "I don't recall" 64 times.

may Iraq War architect Paul Wolfowitz resigns as World Bank head after giving perks to his in-house girlfriend.
• Terrorist watch list now has 755,000 names. Former doj official Monica Goodling admits that politics played a role in hiring and firing.
• Bush nominates James W. Holsinger Jr. for surgeon general. Holsinger thinks gay people can be "cured." He is never confirmed.

june Cheney discovered trying to dodge oversight by claiming he's not part of the executive branch.

july The Washington Post reports that a Bush political appointee with no "background or expertise in medicine or public health" kept secret a 2006 surgeon general's report because it "did not promote the administration's policy accomplishments."

august The Washington Post reports that the administration's vaunted terrorist screening database flagged 20,000 people in 2007 but produced very few arrests.
• Red Cross says cia's secret prisons use methods "tantamount to torture," violate international law. Gonzales steps down.

november The Fish and Wildlife Service announces that seven decisions made by Julie MacDonald, the former deputy assistant secretary for Fish, Wildlife and Parks, will be reversed. MacDonald, a civil engineer, had ignored the advice of staff scientists when issuing her decisions, which prevented endangered species from receiving higher levels of legal protection.

december State Dept. Inspector General Howard "Cookie" Krongard resigns after being accused of going easy on Blackwater—where brother "Buzzy" was on the advisory board.
• Congressional Democrats call for an investigation into cia's destruction of waterboarding videotapes.
• John Tanner resigns as head of the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division's voting section. Tanner's colleagues accuse him of "institutional sabotage," for allegedly suppressing minority election turnout.

2008

february New York Times uncovers buried Army report blaming White House and Pentagon for mess in Iraq.

march Bush tells GIs in Afghanistan he's "a little envious" of them.
• Alphonso Jackson steps down as secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Jackson had been under fire for HUD's awarding of a $127 million federal contract to his former employer, but HUD still spent up to $100,000 to paint and install Jackson's portrait in the department's new auditorium. At the time of his resignation, Jackson was being investigated by a federal grand jury, the Justice Department, and his own department's inspector general for alleged corruption.
George W. Bush golfing

april GAO finds the US has no plan to defeat Al Qaeda in Pakistan.

may FBI raids office of Special Counsel Scott Bloch, who may have erased files on whistleblowers. (His job: protecting federal whistleblowers.)
• Bush says to honor the troops, he hasn't golfed since August '03 (except for that time in October '03). Former White House flack Scott McClellan says Karl Rove lied about his role in the leak.

june News flash: doj hiring of lawyers was illegally politicized: 80% of "liberal" applicants were rejected.

july Ex-EPA official says Cheney's office edited CDC climate change report.
• Rove ignores House subpoena.
• Bidding farewell to G8, Bush reportedly punches air, says, "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."

august Back at his Crawford estate, Bush soars past his 950th day away from the office—easily beating Ronald Reagan's vacation record.

Nick Baumann is an assistant editor at the Mother Jones Washington, DC, Bureau.

Dave Gilson is a senior editor for Mother Jones.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feat...n-of-error.htm...

You need to work on your own thoughts to copy and paste ratio.

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You need to work on your own thoughts to copy and paste ratio.

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Stop dodging the facts presented.

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Stop dodging the facts presented.

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Answer my post directly. Don't go to rehearsed talking points.

George W. Bush: Great President? ...Or the Greatest President?

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Answer my post directly. Don't go to rehearsed talking points.

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hahahahaha

What would you like me to answer specifically? Something that I didn't help answer in the facts that were posted?

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hahahahaha

What would you like me to answer specifically? Something that I didn't help answer in the facts that were posted?

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I can't hold your hand. If you are going to challenge what timvp said, you'll have to do it on your own.

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I can't hold your hand. If you are going to challenge what timvp said, you'll have to do it on your own.

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That's 2 dodges. Keep going. I answered your post with facts that have been checked since 2000. I can go into my opinion but you keep dodging the facts that were presented. You're somewhat of a hypocrite (who types in third person) aren't you?

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That's 2 dodges. Keep going. I answered your post with facts that have been checked since 2000. I can go into my opinion but you keep dodging the facts that were presented. You're somewhat of a hypocrite (who types in third person) aren't you?

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I already responded to your talking points in the post that you originally quoted. Did you not read it all? I guess you skipping over the actual content isn't relegated solely to presidential debates . . .

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I already responded to your talking points in the post that you originally quoted. Did you not read it all? I guess you skipping over the actual content isn't relegated solely to presidential debates . . .

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You responded by saying they were "talking points". That's a dodge, not a response. There's 3.

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I think I am glad that someone catalogued the tragicomedy of errors from this administration.

Even taking out the somewhat tenuous stuff it is still a litany that makes one want to bury their heads in their hands.

The thing about a Kerry or Gore administration is that we will never truly know how much better off we would have been for the last 8 years.

Certainly a Democratic president with a GOP congress would not have had a rubber stamp in any event.

I am somewhat worried about the next Democratic president having a very friendly Democratic congress.

I guess we will get to see if the Dems really as as incopetant and bad for America as the GOP claims.

If, in 4-8 years, we have not collapsed as a civilization into a communist police state, I think it is safe to say that reports of the demise of the US was somewhat exaggerated.

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You responded by saying they were "talking points". That's a dodge, not a response. There's 3.

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You can't count. Go back and figure out again which was the first post of mine you quoted in this thread.

Damn, at least when I argue with whottt I don't have to do the legwork for both of us.

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For all the things president Bush has done poorly, he has done even more right. Even if you disagree with that, he is very far away from being the worse president.

Why are you liberals still worried about president Bush? Isn't it time to look forward, not back?

Say what you will. I give you this. If Barack Husien Obaama is elected, he will take the number 1 worse president spot easily. I honestly believe history will show such a thing, but that won't be till at least a couple decades that history gets things right. It took more than three decades to exonerate McCarthy.

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This quote has to be saved by Spurs Talk.

Obama hasn't even won the Presidency and this douche is already saying that he will be the worst President in history?

Cobra, you're just a blatant dumbass.

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You can't count. Go back and figure out again which was the first post of mine you quoted in this thread.

Damn, at least when I argue with whottt I don't have to do the legwork for both of us.

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Whoops my mistake. I didn't count your first post. That would've made the previous one 4 but now it's 5. Keep going. You ever gonna respond to any of the facts presented in that history?

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Whoops my mistake. I didn't count your first post. That would've made the previous one 4 but now it's 5. Keep going. You ever gonna respond to any of the facts presented in that history?

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Can you not read? WTF?

You take Obamatardness to a whole new level.

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Can you not read? WTF?

You take Obamatardness to a whole new level.

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He's not the worst President in history, but he's pretty damn close.

Harding, Johnson, Grant . . . all those are probably worse.

I think Nixon might be considered the worst President, due to his character and Watergate, but he was a pretty good statesman and he did open up China to the U.S.

I don't know where I'd rank Bush, in terms of the worst Presidents, but he's definitely Top 5.

So instead of merely saying, "they're talking points" do you care to respond directly to any of them timvp? Or are you gonna keep dodging the history?

Shasta, I don't think you are really understanding Timvp in this one.

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Then explain it to me.

He was just stating his belief on how Bush will be judged. He wasn't arguing whether or not the dude is the worst president ever or not. When you came back with your copy and paste job, you lost him because he didn't want to A.) Argue about it, and B.) that wasn't your opinion, which is really what he was looking for.

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He was just stating his belief on how Bush will be judged. He wasn't arguing whether or not the dude is the worst president ever or not.

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Yes he was. He claims Bush won't be.

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When you came back with your copy and paste job, you lost him because he didn't want to A.) Argue about it,

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So he's dodging the facts that contradict his opinion. Thanks for clearing that up

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and B.) that wasn't your opinion, which is really what he was looking for.

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My opinion is that the "copy and paste job" directly contradicts his opinions. He has yet to respond directly to anything Bush has actually done. He's a hypocrite.

Just to recap for those scoring at home.

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Worst President in US History?

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All told, Bush will be remembered by how he reacted directly after 9/11

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Let me copy and paste everything Bush has done in his whole presidency.

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Go back to the original post you quoted to find the answer.

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The second one?

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No, the first one.

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Are you ever going to answer the question?

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I already told you where to find the answer.

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I don't understand. Let me practice my counting.

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Yes he was. He claims Bush won't be.

So he's dodging the facts that contradict his opinion. Thanks for clearing that up



My opinion is that the "copy and paste job" directly contradicts his opinions. He has yet to respond directly to anything Bush has actually done. He's a hypocrite.

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Dude, he's stating his opinion on how Bush will be judged............That was it.........

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He was just stating his belief on how Bush will be judged. He wasn't arguing whether or not the dude is the worst president ever or not. When you came back with your copy and paste job, you lost him because he didn't want to A.) Argue about it, and B.) that wasn't your opinion, which is really what he was looking for.

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johnsmith showing what reading comprehension can do.

:tu

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Just to recap for those scoring at home.

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Here's a better recap:

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Bush wasn't the best but he certainly wasn't the worst. He did more good than bad

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[record of all the bad things Bush has done]

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*sticks fingers in ears* what's your opinion though?

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Are you gonna respond to the facts in the history?

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I don't wanna *sticks thumb in mouth

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I would keep going but this is a waste of time if you continue to refuse to respond to any of the facts I "copied and pasted".

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Here's a better recap:












I would keep going but this is a waste of time if you continue to refuse to respond to any of the facts I "copied and pasted".

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Ya just don't get it do ya?

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Dude, he's stating his opinion on how Bush will be judged............That was it.........

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Yeah and I posted FACTS that CONTRADICT his OPINIONS. Get it?