McCain's attacks fuel dangerous hatred

McCain's attacks fuel dangerous hatred

By Frank Schaeffer

October 10, 2008

John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.

At a Sarah Palin rally, someone called out, "Kill him!" At one of your rallies, someone called out, "Terrorist!" Neither was answered or denounced by you or your running mate, as the crowd laughed and cheered. At your campaign event Wednesday in Bethlehem, Pa., the crowd was seething with hatred for the Democratic nominee - an attitude encouraged in speeches there by you, your running mate, your wife and the local Republican chairman.

Shame!

John McCain: In 2000, as a lifelong Republican, I worked to get you elected instead of George W. Bush. In return, you wrote an endorsement of one of my books about military service. You seemed to be a man who put principle ahead of mere political gain.

You have changed. You have a choice: Go down in history as a decent senator and an honorable military man with many successes, or go down in history as the latest abettor of right-wing extremist hate.

John McCain, you are no fool, and you understand the depths of hatred that surround the issue of race in this country. You also know that, post-9/11, to call someone a friend of a terrorist is a very serious matter. You also know we are a bitterly divided country on many other issues. You know that, sadly, in America, violence is always just a moment away. You know that there are plenty of crazy people out there.

Stop! Think! Your rallies are beginning to look, sound, feel and smell like lynch mobs.

John McCain, you're walking a perilous line. If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out "Terrorist" or "Kill him," history will hold you responsible for all that follows.

John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are playing with fire, and you know it. You are unleashing the monster of American hatred and prejudice, to the peril of all of us. You are doing this in wartime. You are doing this as our economy collapses. You are doing this in a country with a history of assassinations.

Change the atmosphere of your campaign. Talk about the issues at hand. Make your case. But stop stirring up the lunatic fringe of haters, or risk suffering the judgment of history and the loathing of the American people - forever.

We will hold you responsible.

Frank Schaeffer is the author of "Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back." His e-mail is [email protected].

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This little douchebag, a McCain volunteer at the rally in Strongsville on Wednesday, didn’t want to be on camera when I asked him if he thought Barack Obama was a terrorist. Among others. A lot of commenters have asked why I would put people on camera who don’t want to be on camera.

Here’s why.

I am not a journalist. I am a blogger. Not interested in convening a blogger ethics panel, but I have an agenda. And my agenda is as follows.

People like this fellow have fucked with my country for decades. They have made America a laughingstock. They have destroyed our economy with their absurd economic dogma. They have gutted America’s standing in the world. They have reduced my country’s politics to a discussion of genitalia. They have cost my country’s military over 4,000 lives, they have failed to avenge 9/11, they have turned my country’s dream for its citizens upside down, making the little guy beg for scraps from a table built on fraud. They have turned the American Dream into a Dickensian nightmare.

This guy has no business telling me he doesn’t want to be on my videotape.

We have been subjected to this stupid fuck’s war on America for decades, and for too long we have left the battlefield to him and his ilk. We have cowered from their increasing insanity, we have given them every benefit of every doubt, until we finally are expected to bend so pathetically to their every demand that they now think they can tell us to go away, when all we do is ask them a simple question.

No more.

If this little turd doesn’t want to be on my videotape, then he’d better get his ass behind a fucking tree, because I could give two shits whether he is embarrassed by his own image at a McCain rally.

It’s time these people own their record. Time for them to own what they’ve done to my country. Time for them to pay the piper. And if the only price I can extract, myself, is their image on my blog, then I will extract it.

So if you watch a video from my blog, and you feel a bit miffed that some whining Republican thug is on tape without their consent, grow yourself a pair of onions and get the fuck over yourself.

I’m fighting for my country.

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Okay, he's a gasbag, but he's right on this:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...ngerous-p.html

For some, a president Obama is simply unimaginable. From a McCain supporter in Wisconsin yesterday:

"We're all wondering why Obama is where he's at. How he got here. Everybody in this room is stunned we're in this position."

There was always going to be a point of revolt and panic for a core group of Americans who believe that Obama simply cannot be president - because he's black or liberal or young or relatively new. This is that point. As the polls suggest a strong victory, the Hannity-Limbaugh-Steyn-O'Reilly base are going into shock and extreme rage. McCain and Palin have decided to stoke this rage, to foment it, to encourage paranoid notions that somehow Obama is a "secret" terrorist or Islamist or foreigner. These are base emotions in both sense of the word.

But they are also very very dangerous. This is a moment of maximal physical danger for the young Democratic nominee. And McCain is playing with fire. If he really wants to put country first, he will attack Obama on his policies - not on these inflammatory, personal, creepy grounds. This is getting close to the atmosphere stoked by the Israeli far right before the assassination of Rabin.

For God's sake, McCain, stop it. For once in this campaign, put your country first.

They sound like our resident conservatives.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...a.html?showall

Jonathan Martin notes a new sense of "fear and loathing" among Republican activists at the prospect of an Obama presidency.

That new mood is, I think, a reaction to a new fact about the contest: There's a strong, strong assumption across party lines that Obama is going to win. Intrade, a fairly reliable metric of convention wisdom, puts the odds at 75 percent. Behind the scenes, few Republican operatives think McCain will pull it off. Some Republicans are starting to make the case that a few years in the wilderness are just what the party needs, and that the presidency amid this economy is a poisoned chalice in any case.

That new conventional wisdom — true or false — means that many Americans are now really coming to grips with the notion of an Obama presidency. On balance, that's probably good for Obama. He always needed to pass a threshold at which Americans could plausibly see him as president. He needs people to get used to the idea, and if they're doing it in early October, they may be more comfortable pulling the lever a month later.

But the sense that his presidency is imminent appears, to some minority of Republicans, to be essentially unacceptable. Whether because of his views, his race, his life story or his partisan affiliation, Obama doesn't fit their model of a possible president of the United States. And so there's a new urgency to the reaction against him.

McCain's questioner in Wisconsin today put it clearly.

"We're all wondering why Obama is where he's at. How he got here. Everybody in this room is stunned we're in this position," he said.

Hatred is confined to conservatives.


Sincerely,


Michael Moore

another bs liberal thread. Democrats corner the market on hate-filled speech. They're just so pissed off that anyone is daring to question their messiah. And I wouldn't be surprised if those people shouting "kill him" were Obama plants. Just trying to stir up things and make conservatives look bad.

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Sincerely,


Michael Moore

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Nice dodge. Way to condemn this. :rolleyes

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another bs liberal thread. Democrats corner the market on hate-filled speech. They're just so pissed off that anyone is daring to question their messiah. And I wouldn't be surprised if those people shouting "kill him" were Obama plants. Just trying to stir up things and make conservatives look bad.

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Yes, it's all an evil liberal media elite conspiracy to make conservatards look bad.

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Nice dodge. Way to condemn this. :rolleyes

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I condemn this. Happy?


P.S. LIberals are the most miserable, hate-filled people I've ever met.

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another bs liberal thread. Democrats corner the market on hate-filled speech. They're just so pissed off that anyone is daring to question their messiah. And I wouldn't be surprised if those people shouting "kill him" were Obama plants. Just trying to stir up things and make conservatives look bad.

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Problem is he already answered their questions. This attack on Obama is similar to an argument for the Iraq war. We gave Saddam an ultimatum to prove he didn't have wmds. Obama now has to prove he's innocent on bogus charges. When he doesn't respond to the bogus charges he's then criticized by those who brought up the bogus charges. The guy can't win either way. he has to prove a negative

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P.S. LIberals are the most miserable, hate-filled people I've ever met.

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Yes, it's miserable and hate-filled to not approve of wishing for Obama's assassination, real or character-wise.

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Yes, it's miserable and hate-filled to not approve of wishing for Obama's assassination, real or character-wise.

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Making a movie about assassinating Bush is good?

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Making a movie about assassinating Bush is good?

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It's a movie?

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Making a movie about assassinating Bush is good?

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Who did that? Michael Moore? Why are you changing the subject?

It wasn't one or two yahoos at McCain's rally, it was pretty much a standard characterization of his supporters. And McCain and Palin are doing nothing to check it, they are inciting it...at least until the Secret Service told them to cut it out.

That's the difference between liberal hate directed at Bush and conservative hate directed at Obama...Democratic politicians would never condone it or tacitly encourage it.

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That's the difference between liberal hate directed at Bush and conservative hate directed at Obama...Democratic politicians would never condone it or tacitly encourage it.

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:lmao

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Find me ONE example of Democrats encouraging their liberal supporters in the same way that Palin calls Obama an unamerican terrorist sympathizer out of the mainstream. Find me ONE example where Democratic politicians encourage the idea that 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush Administration, which is the vilest lie ever made about Bush. Find me ONE example.

Some fringe congressmen or state assemblyperson doesn't count, I want an example of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or some other prominent Democrat engaging in similar behavior. Find me ONE example.

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I condemn this. Happy?


P.S. LIberals are the most miserable, hate-filled people I've ever met.

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Dude, after 10 years of a Republican Congress and 8 years worth of a horrible presidency, "liberals" are pissed, because they have been shit on continuously as the root of all evil in the right-wing press.

Can you reallly blame them, after being subjected to the kind of daily diatribes by Limbaugh and the like?

Beyond simple condemnation, surely you see the toxicity of such attacks, right?

This kind of demagoguery is getting scary.

What happens when/if McCain loses? Are all of these people who think he is some kind of terrorist going to jump up and say "he's my president now, I have to support him?", as they have criticised liberals for not doing with Bush?

Where are the examples of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi whipping up liberals into a frenzy against President Bush and inciting hatred?

<crickets chirping>

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I condemn this. Happy?


P.S. LIberals are the most miserable, hate-filled people I've ever met.

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I'd go with partisans, personally.

This is turning into a dangerous situation, one beneath McCain and his public image. I know he called off the Rev. Wright attacks for the time being, and I'm sure there was immense pressure to use that, but I'm hoping they also scale back the inflammatory rhetoric with Palin. Her negatives are increasing daily and if she's going to maintain a prominent position in the party, these attacks could sink her completely.

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I'd go with partisans, personally.

This is turning into a dangerous situation, one beneath McCain and his public image. I know he called off the Rev. Wright attacks for the time being, and I'm sure there was immense pressure to use that, but I'm hoping they also scale back the inflammatory rhetoric with Palin. Her negatives are increasing daily and if she's going to maintain a prominent position in the party, these attacks could sink her completely.

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McCain called off the Rev. Wright attacks not because of some sort of honor or dignity, but because if he wants to start sniffing around the pews of Rev. Wright's church, it can easily boomerang back on him because of the nutty-ass church his running mate used to attend.

there's more to it than this. it's truely sad to see what mccain has turned in to.

it's sad that he no longer has any control of content with his message.

it's sad that he's been reduced to someone that just reads the sheets that are handed to him.

it's sad that he bask in the messages that are yelled out by his hate mongering supporters.

it's sad that he took bush's attacks laying down in the fetal. he never got over it, but for some reason accepted it.

it's sad that he's turned into such a shallow man.

"one beneath McCain and his public image"

not at all.

Candidate McBottomGun, a very different animal from Senator McKeating, has exposed his new public image as bottom-feeding, sliming, lying, divisive, polarizing, hateful scumbag.

Neither he nor pitbull bitch discouraged the shouts of murder, they even laughed at them, giving encouragement.

lol @ the left threatening race riot wars and now getting scared they have awakened the angry white man.

That man I posted yelling at McCain in Wisc. The silent majority are starting to speak up.

Mccain: "I've got nothing. Someone had me a sheet with words. Any words."

God politics bring out the whiny little bitch in people

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McCain called off the Rev. Wright attacks not because of some sort of honor or dignity, but because if he wants to start sniffing around the pews of Rev. Wright's church, it can easily boomerang back on him because of the nutty-ass church his running mate used to attend.

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I think heartland voters would find Wright far more inflammatory and offensive. It is strange to me, because the Wright narrative has been established and would have been easy to jump on, as opposed to Ayers, who is relatively obscure and not directly associable. They could be waiting to drop it in the last couple of weeks, who knows. I also wonder if the McCain campaign is just somewhat chaotic at this point. They're fooling themselves if they think Ayers will overcome economic concerns.

"They could be waiting to drop it in the last couple of weeks,"

I can't find the article I read in the past day or two, but it said that McBottomGun met with Wright and then decided not to make Wright an issue, mumbling with fake piety that attacking a person's faith was out of bounds.

Since McLiar has proven he will do anything to win the WH, I really wonder what Wright said to McFakeMacho to scare him away.

McMeFirst may have learned (he's NOT a quick study) that pitbull bitch's "religious" freak/fringe/militant cult opens her up to devastating attacks.

Amusing how these Made-Up-Shit-Religion "Christians" can be such hateful enemies among themselves.

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I think heartland voters would find Wright far more inflammatory and offensive. It is strange to me, because the Wright narrative has been established and would have been easy to jump on, as opposed to Ayers, who is relatively obscure and not directly associable. They could be waiting to drop it in the last couple of weeks, who knows. I also wonder if the McCain campaign is just somewhat chaotic at this point. They're fooling themselves if they think Ayers will overcome economic concerns.

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Jeremiah Wright can't take the focus off the economic crisis either

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Find me ONE example of Democrats encouraging their liberal supporters in the same way that Palin calls Obama an unamerican terrorist sympathizer out of the mainstream.

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I guess you've never listened much to Randi Rhodes of Al Frankin. Talk about hate filled speech, and really disgusting at times.

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I condemn this. Happy?


P.S. LIberals are the most miserable, hate-filled people I've ever met.

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Yep, for those who claim to be tolerant of others, they have no tolerance when it is conservative.

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I guess you've never listened much to Randi Rhodes of Al Frankin. Talk about hate filled speech, and really disgusting at times.

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Democratic Politicians. Did you read the rest of my post?

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Some fringe congressmen or state assemblyperson doesn't count, I want an example of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or some other prominent Democrat engaging in similar behavior. Find me ONE example.

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Randi Rhodes and Al Franken aren't running for Vice President, and I'm pretty sure they've never said 9/11 was an inside job, which is the left-wing equivalent of Sarah Palin calling Obama an unamerican terrorist sympathizer. Why are you rationalizing and defending this?

Wasn't it Obama who told his supporters to "get in their face".

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Wasn't it Obama who told his supporters to "get in their face".

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And make their case for Obama, make an issues-based argument for his candidacy. God, defending and rationalizing this is just fucking pathetic. I have yet to see any Obama supporters gathering en masse to say "Kill him!" about McCain.

Fucking Pathetic.

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And make their case for Obama, make an issues-based argument for his candidacy. God, defending and rationalizing this is just fucking pathetic. I have yet to see any Obama supporters gathering en masse to say "Kill him!" about McCain.

Fucking Pathetic.

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Why would anyone need to kill him when you all have been telling us he will not live for another 4 years?


What's fucking pathetic is you libtards using a couple idiot rednecks to create the illusion the masses are beginning to demand his head.

Especially when people keep hearing how race riot wars are inevitable if Obama loses.

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Why would anyone need to kill him when you all have been telling us he will not live for another 4 years?


What's fucking pathetic is you libtards using a couple idiot rednecks to create the illusion the masses are beginning to demand his head.

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A couple of redneck idiots?

http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2008/1...ain-palin-mobs

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The fact that my videos of McCain-Palin supporters (here and here) are blowing up online tells me a lot.

First, the media should be ashamed of themselves for not covering this until now. The McCain-Palin supporters in my videos are not new, they are not exceptional, they are not hiding. This is who they are. It has been brewing for months, and not one mainstream media outlet has taken the time to expose them. Not one. And that is dangerous. If America is about to decide on its president based on this level of hate and ignorance, without a single question being asked as to why, then America is in for a rude awakening.

You could get video of these hateful and ignorant people in your sleep. Not just in Ohio, everywhere. Our country has been sleepwalking through this campaign as if none of this vitriol exists. Well, not only does it exist, it is rampant, and it is there for anyone with a camera to record. And these people are proud to be this hateful and ignorant on your camera.

Second, the McCain campaign has done nothing to dispel these fantasies. To the contrary, McCain and Palin themselves have been stoking it. That, too, is dangerous.

Third, it gives me that much more pride in my support for Barack Obama. This man takes a risk with his life every time he sets foot into the public eye. That is a kind of bravery that not even John McCain could muster.

Fourth, it tells me all I need to know about John McCain and Sarah Palin, that they are willing to accept and foment this kind of support. They are not patriots, they represent the worst stain this country’s history has ever produced. They are no different than an unrepentant segregationist shouting “states rights” in 1954.

And it will be a sublime joy to watch them lose this election.

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Again, fucking pathetic to think this is one or two yahoos at a rally, or that the McCain campaign isn't actively encouraging this. Fucking Pathetic.

Findog you are pathetic my bowl smoking buddy.

Have you not seen the hatred for Palin?


Once again, libtards can dish it out with the best of them but are so thin skinned they cry when it is shoved back in their face.

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Democratic Politicians. Did you read the rest of my post?

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Yes, I did. I was looking for some particular quotes from a book titled Dreams from My Father, but haven't found them yet. The author says some very disturbing hate filled stuff.

Clarification: What the Antihero, Wild Cobra, and Trainwreck 2100 and others like them are doing is not rationalizing, but MINIMIZING. It's another common cognitive distortion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogniti...of_distortions

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Findog you are pathetic my bowl smoking buddy.

Have you not seen the hatred for Palin?


Once again, libtards can dish it out with the best of them but are so thin skinned they cry when it is shoved back in their face.

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I have yet to hear any leftist at any Obama rally say "Kill her!" or call her an unamerican terrorist, or appeal to the worst and most base instincts in denouncing her.

This isn't about not being able to handle the back and forth of an issues-based campaign. Call Obama too liberal, or too inexperienced, or whatever...but resorting to race-baiting and xenophobia...it says all I need to know about you that you think this is okay, or that anything emanating from the left matches this.

Fuck You.

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Yes, I did. I was looking for some particular quotes from a book titled Dreams from My Father, but haven't found them yet. The author says some very disturbing hate filled stuff.

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Rush is just playing clips of Obama reading his books. It's funny shit.

Obama worked for some corp and described himself as a "spy behind enemy gates"

Another how his friends were always angry and he could trick whitey by acting calm.


:lmao

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Yes, I did. I was looking for some particular quotes from a book titled Dreams from My Father, but haven't found them yet. The author says some very disturbing hate filled stuff.

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Keep trying. You won't get anywhere.

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I have yet to hear any leftist at any Obama rally say "Kill her!" or call her an unamerican terrorist, or appeal to the worst and most base instincts in denouncing her.

This isn't about not being able to handle the back and forth of an issues-based campaign. Call Obama too liberal, or too inexperienced, or whatever...but resorting to race-baiting and xenophobia...it says all I need to know about you that you think this is okay, or that anything emanating from the left matches this.

Fuck You.

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She wants to secede homie. Alaskan Independence Party. TREASON. TREASONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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She wants to secede homie. Alaskan Independence Party. TREASON. TREASONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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That doesn't make her guilty of treason.

I have yet to hear you express disapproval of the people in those videos.

Very telling.

After all, you coined the infamous term Moose Cunt. Thin skin my friends.

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After all, you coined the infamous term Moose Cunt. Thin skin my friends.

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Did I call for her assassination? Did I call her a terrorist?

Change the subject, dodge, refuse to condemn racism and xenophobia...

What do you think of the McCain supporters in the videos, Anti Hero? Do you agree with the sentiments expressed?

I guess I'll be waiting for a while to read you express disapproval...

<crickets chirping>

"You're just thin skinned because you can't handle a bunch of knuckledraggers call him a terrorist and advocate his assassination."

Fucking pathetic. You're just fucking pathetic. Even DarrinS managed a grudging disapproval.

It's amusing that people think Obama is so hateful toward white people or America. If you actually follow the lineage of his family history, the one person he has the most reason to be angry at is his black father, who abandoned the family.

But from what I understand (I haven't read his books - I'm not a big fan of the autobiography) if anything, he comes across as pretty accepting and positive about his family narrative, and there's a noticeable lack of anger. One could speculate that he's worked through all that, which would be good. Or that his family was strong enough (his WHITE FAMILY, let's note) to make up for the loss of his father.

I can't control them homie. Why would I care what they say? :lmao


People arguing issues are easily dismissed by the hard-ons for Obama. It takes vocal rednecks to stir shit up?

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Keep trying. You won't get anywhere.

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OK, I understand that responce to mean that Obama gets a pass on his racism beacuse he is black?

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OK, I understand that responce to mean that Obama gets a pass on his racism beacuse he is black?

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You haven't provided any evidence to back up your assertion that Obama is racist. This isn't Free Republic, you don't get to throw shit at the wall and assume it will just stick.

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It's amusing that people think Obama is so hateful toward white people or America. If you actually follow the lineage of his family history, the one person he has the most reason to be angry at is his black father, who abandoned the family.

But from what I understand (I haven't read his books - I'm not a big fan of the autobiography) if anything, he comes across as pretty accepting and positive about his family narrative, and there's a noticeable lack of anger. One could speculate that he's worked through all that, which would be good. Or that his family was strong enough (his WHITE FAMILY, let's note) to make up for the loss of his father.

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Read his first book. It will change your mind.

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I can't control them homie. Why would I care what they say? :lmao

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Do you agree with the sentiments expressed in the videos? You didn't answer the question. Why not? Is it so hard to say "I'm a McCain supporter, but I can't get behind this?"

Apparently it is. :lol

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You haven't provided any evidence to back up your assertion that Obama is racist. This isn't Free Republic, you don't get to throw shit at the wall and assume it will just stick.

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Good. Don't believe me. Read his first book.

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Good. Don't believe me. Read his first book.

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Yes, Obama hates white people, including his mother and grandparents.

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Do you agree with the sentiments expressed in the videos? You didn't answer the question. Why not? Is it so hard to say "I'm a McCain supporter, but I can't get behind this?"

Apparently it is. :lol

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Why would I play this childish "I denounce blah blah blah"

People say what they will. Just words, just speeches.


Also, probably because I don't support McCain.

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Why would I play this childish "I denounce blah blah blah"

People say what they will. Just words, just speeches.

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It's pretty simple...I didn't like people poking around Sarah Palin's private life. That should be off limits. Her public record and her stances on the issues and her gross lack of qualifications for the office she seeks is enough to condemn her. I don't need to rummage around in the bedrooms of her home.

Do you agree with the sentiments expressed in the videos? Saying you don't doesn't mean you are betraying the cause of a McCain victory, or opposition to an Obama victory, as the case may be.

I think I'm beginning to understand why you can't...because you basically agree with them.

I think it is amusing these people have some libtards bugging out.

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I think it is amusing these people have some libtards bugging out.

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Yeah, it's pretty amusing that a major party nominee for President is stoking racism. It's hi-fucking-larious! A real knee slapper! :lol

Most of those people are cowards who don't have the guts to follow through on their threats, but it only takes one to act on their convictions.

stoking racism?

"They will say I don't look like the ones that came before me, They will say I have a funny name..."

John Weaver, McCain’s former top strategist, said top Republicans have a responsibility to temper this behavior.

“People need to understand, for moral reasons and the protection of our civil society, the differences with Sen. Obama are ideological, based on clear differences on policy and a lack of experience compared to Sen. McCain,” Weaver said. “And from a purely practical political vantage point, please find me a swing voter, an undecided independent, or a torn female voter that finds an angry mob mentality attractive.”

“Sen. Obama is a classic liberal with an outdated economic agenda. We should take that agenda on in a robust manner. As a party we should not and must not stand by as the small amount of haters in our society question whether he is as American as the rest of us. Shame on them and shame on us if we allow this to take hold.”

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lol @ the left threatening race riot wars and now getting scared they have awakened the angry white man.

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Really? Why don't you provide me with a link to evidence for inciting race riot wars?

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That man I posted yelling at McCain in Wisc. The silent majority are starting to speak up.

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And you agree with them, is that what you're saying?

I honestly gave the McCain supporters in this forum the benefit of the doubt. I thought they would have the decency and dignity to condemn such abhorrent behavior. Instead, the ones that have posted are actually defending racism and hate speech. I'm sure (I hope!) there are several McCain backers on this forum who, if nothing else, realize how disgusting this situation is and condemn the people spreading such hate, if not the party itself for going mum about it.

Really, McCain has a chance to gain from this. How much would he gain in the polls if during a large rally or a telecast, he drew himself up, and berated the people saying such things? He'd look like a patriot. He could even paint himself as the "man in the middle" again, with no agenda other than loving this country. Even Democrats would applaud him if he decided to speak out against the hate.

Yet, McCain is showing that he would rather vilify his opponent than run an honest race against him and lose.

I find it difficult to even be upset about the reactions from McCain supporters. I sincerely hope those who haven't posted yet will not glorify this ridiculous attitude of making a fellow candidate out to be not only Anti-American, but an individual to be despised. For those of you that see this as an act to be cheered... well, I have no respect left for you. Not that it matters to you, but I think you will live to regret it one day.

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Really? Why don't you provide me with a link to evidence for inciting race riot wars?

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I read 15+ articles a day; I don't bookmark every one of them. Broaden your daily information sources and you would easily have also heard them. Google.com

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And you agree with them, is that what you're saying?

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I agree with that man whom I posted.

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And you agree with them, is that what you're saying?

I honestly gave the McCain supporters in this forum the benefit of the doubt. I thought they would have the decency and dignity to condemn such abhorrent behavior. Instead, the ones that have posted are actually defending racism and hate speech. I'm sure (I hope!) there are several McCain backers on this forum who, if nothing else, realize how disgusting this situation is and condemn the people spreading such hate, if not the party itself for going mum about it.

Really, McCain has a chance to gain from this. How much would he gain in the polls if during a large rally or a telecast, he drew himself up, and berated the people saying such things? He'd look like a patriot. He could even paint himself as the "man in the middle" again, with no agenda other than loving this country. Even Democrats would applaud him if he decided to speak out against the hate.

Yet, McCain is showing that he would rather vilify his opponent than run an honest race against him and lose.

I find it difficult to even be upset about the reactions from McCain supporters. I sincerely hope those who haven't posted yet will not glorify this ridiculous attitude of making a fellow candidate out to be not only Anti-American, but an individual to be despised. For those of you that see this as an act to be cheered... well, I have no respect left for you. Not that it matters to you, but I think you will live to regret it one day.

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He basically agrees with them. I asked him if he had a problem with it, and he couldn't say yes. As an Obama supporter, I can condemn digging around in Palin's private life, or making fun of McCain's POW ordeal, but this skid mark can't muster the same standard.

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He basically agrees with them. I asked him if he had a problem with it, and he couldn't say yes. As an Obama supporter, I can condemn digging around in Palin's private life, or making fun of McCain's POW ordeal, but this skid mark can't muster the same standard.

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Yet you call her Moose Cunt daily. Once again, thin skin and now playing this game to make yourself feel good. :bking


It's obvious McCain is not going to attack what he should be attacking so now I just sit back and see where this circus goes.

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Yet you call her Moose Cunt daily. Once again, thin skin and now playing this game to make yourself feel good. :bking

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Yes, I called her a Moose Cunt. I never once called for her assassination or advocated digging around in her private life. I don't really see the point of your irrelevant non sequitur. Name calling is not the same thing as what those people in the video were doing, which is libel, slander and making threats.

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It's obvious McCain is not going to attack what he should be attacking so now I just sit back and see where this circus goes.

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That circus ends on November 4th, when Obama gets 52% of the popular vote and 300+ Electoral Votes.

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That circus ends on November 4th, when Obama gets 52% of the popular vote and 300+ Electoral Votes.

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No shit. I know.

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I honestly gave the McCain supporters in this forum the benefit of the doubt. I thought they would have the decency and dignity to condemn such abhorrent behavior. Instead, the ones that have posted are actually defending racism and hate speech. I'm sure (I hope!) there are several McCain backers on this forum who, if nothing else, realize how disgusting this situation is and condemn the people spreading such hate, if not the party itself for going mum about it.

Really, McCain has a chance to gain from this. How much would he gain in the polls if during a large rally or a telecast, he drew himself up, and berated the people saying such things? He'd look like a patriot. He could even paint himself as the "man in the middle" again, with no agenda other than loving this country. Even Democrats would applaud him if he decided to speak out against the hate.

Yet, McCain is showing that he would rather vilify his opponent than run an honest race against him and lose.

I find it difficult to even be upset about the reactions from McCain supporters. I sincerely hope those who haven't posted yet will not glorify this ridiculous attitude of making a fellow candidate out to be not only Anti-American, but an individual to be despised. For those of you that see this as an act to be cheered... well, I have no respect left for you. Not that it matters to you, but I think you will live to regret it one day.

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LOL @ this my friend. We all know how this little game is played. McCain doesn't do soemthing, you all bash him for not doing it and say you'd have so much respect for him if he did do it. When in reality, whatever he does he will be bashed by said people. It's weak and tired out. McCain is a lost cause, at this point I don't care what he does or does not do.

I don't regret shit I am not part of. oooooohh I condemn them, all is right in the world now for I have condemned them! :lol It pains me to have lost respect from someone I do not know, will never know, do not care to know. :toast Plus it's just politics. I'm just passing time.

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That my friends will just be the beginning of the circus...

This thread is so pathetic it's laughable. You libs complain about McCain supporters being hateful and try to make us believe all of you are sweet and kind and never say anything mean.

You libs on this board are the most mean, vicious, hate-filled people I've ever come across. Boutons never makes a post about conservatives that doesn't include mean, crude and often obscene language. Findog is so offensive I put him on ignore!

It wouldn't matter if we had a video showing Obama throwing a bomb - you'd still defend him. You're irrational in your hatred for all things conservative. You certainly give credence to the notion that liberalism is a mental disorder!

I look at the threads in this forum and they just make me sick. I'm done with this forum - there's no reason to even post in here because it won't make any difference. I truly fear for this country if people like you libs in here prevail and vote Obama into the White House. Not even God will help us then!

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This thread is so pathetic it's laughable. You libs complain about McCain supporters being hateful and try to make us believe all of you are sweet and kind and never say anything mean.

You libs on this board are the most mean, vicious, hate-filled people I've ever come across. Boutons never makes a post about conservatives that doesn't include mean, crude and often obscene language. Findog is so offensive I put him on ignore!

It wouldn't matter if we had a video showing Obama throwing a bomb - you'd still defend him. You're irrational in your hatred for all things conservative. You certainly give credence to the notion that liberalism is a mental disorder!

I look at the threads in this forum and they just make me sick. I'm done with this forum - there's no reason to even post in here because it won't make any difference. I truly fear for this country if people like you libs in here prevail and vote Obama into the White House. Not even God will help us then!

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:lol does anybody else get a kick out of cookies rants?

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LOL @ this my friend. We all know how this little game is played. McCain doesn't do soemthing, you all bash him for not doing it and say you'd have so much respect for him if he did do it. When in reality, whatever he does he will be bashed by said people. It's weak and tired out. McCain is a lost cause, at this point I don't care what he does or does not do.

I don't regret shit I am not part of. oooooohh I condemn them, all is right in the world now for I have condemned them! :lol It pains me to have lost respect from someone I do not know, will never know, do not care to know. :toast Plus it's just politics. I'm just passing time.

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Really? Then why do you even post here? You just declined to state that the actions of the supporters in the McCain-Palin campaign are unacceptable.

First, you stated that liberals had been doing the same thing, but were unable to provide any evidence. You even resorted to using the classic "find it yourself" defense. You then claimed it's Obama's fault that people are calling for his assassination.

Then you claimed "it's only a few" who are acting this way, which is kind of interesting in itself: If you consider their behavior acceptable, why does the number of people matter? Why would that even enter into your argument?

When ALL of these points have been refuted, you then stated (to paraphrase), "Well they went after Palin so it's ok!" Which, again, is interesting considering that you are calling the liberals out for having a thin skin. You then even mocked yourself by offering a random hyperbole about Palin. Basically what your position boils down to is that calling for Obama's assassination is okay because one person on this forum called her a moose cunt and thousands of media outlets and political analysts have been questioning her ability to ascend to the 2nd highest office in the land.

Now, at last, your defense (d)evolved into, "Well they aren't me, I'm just a poster on the forum, so why should I care?" To which I can only ask you why you're on this board in the first place. You seem to have no problems taking a position about everything else, but this is out of your sphere of influence, so you're not going to comment further on it? Sorry, I didn't realize that you were using your position on other threads to influence U.S. politics at large. This is a forum. It's for certain things... you know, like discussing the issue. If you don't want to discuss the issue, why post to this thread? Why even click it? Why be on forums at all?

I have no doubt if Obama or Biden heard one of their supporters scream "terrorist" or "kill him" in reference to John McCain (or Sarah Palin) they would call that person out and denounce their comments on the spot...Biden especially.

The McCain camp are just letting their poor character show through by letting these kind of comments go unchecked. Just the cherry on top of one of the most idiotic campaigns I've ever seen run for an "experienced" candidate.

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can't you just see crooky.....clutching her bible......reaching high to the sky.....screaming "Oh Dear God"?

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Where are the examples of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi whipping up liberals into a frenzy against President Bush and inciting hatred?

<crickets chirping>

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:lolGuess you forgot about the hate speech Pelosi gave right before the house voted the first time on the bailout! Classic example of how liberals only remember what they want to!:lol

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:lolGuess you forgot about the hate speech Pelosi gave right before the house voted the first time on the bailout! Classic example of how liberals only remember what they want to!:lol

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Show us where Pelosi tried to tie any Republican to a terrorist and then stood by and did nothing when supporters yelled "kill him" or called that person a terrorist. If you can't then just stfu because you don't have a point.

http://tommcmahon.typepad.com/photos.../hangbush2.jpg

Not hatred I guess...

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Show us where Pelosi tried to tie any Republican to a terrorist and then stood by and did nothing when supporters yelled "kill him" or called that person a terrorist. If you can't then just stfu because you don't have a point.

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Uhhh...we're talking about hatred in case you haven't read the title. She DID go on a hatred speech against Bush and the Republicans. Don't tell me to shut up because I DO have a point!:flipoff

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Uhhh...we're talking about hatred in case you haven't read the title. She DID go on a hatred speech against Bush and the Republicans. Don't tell me to shut up because I DO have a point!:flipoff

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Pelosi's partisan speech ranted on Bush's economic policies. That kind of shit goes on every single day in Washington. She didn't attempt to tie any Republican to a terrorist. She didn't go after anyone's character trying to paint that person as "dangerous". She didn't incite anyone to yell "kill him". You don't have a point and if you can't see the difference you're dumber than a sack of hammers.

And of course class warfare isn't hatred either right? Because rich peolple can be black or white it must not count.

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And of course class warfare isn't hatred either right? Because rich peolple can be black or white it must not count.

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See my post above. The same thing applies.

Former governor Milliken backs away from McCain

by Pat Shellenbarger | The Grand Rapids Press Friday October 10, 2008, 6:57 AM


http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/news_i...LLIKEN-mug.jpgFormer Republican Gov. William Milliken

GRAND RAPIDS -- He endorsed John McCain in the presidential primary, but now former Republican Gov. William Milliken is expressing doubts about his party's nominee.

"He is not the McCain I endorsed," said Milliken, reached at his Traverse City home Thursday. "He keeps saying, 'Who is Barack Obama?' I would ask the question, 'Who is John McCain?' because his campaign has become rather disappointing to me.

"I'm disappointed in the tenor and the personal attacks on the part of the McCain campaign, when he ought to be talking about the issues."

Milliken, a lifelong Republican, is among some past leaders from the party's moderate wing voicing reservations and, in some cases, opposition to McCain's candidacy.

http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/news_i...INCOLN-453.jpgPress Photo/Paul L. Newby IILincoln Chafee, a former Republican senator from Rhode Island, announces his support for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama on Thursday morning at Obama's Grand Rapids campaign headquarters.

During a stop in Grand Rapids on Thursday, Lincoln Chafee, a former Republican U.S. senator from Rhode Island, said he's voting for Obama and urging others to do likewise.

McCain campaigned for Chafee's unsuccessful re-election bid in 2006, but Chafee said he is concerned McCain has swung to the right, a divisive strategy that could make it difficult for him to govern.

"That's not my kind of Republicanism," said Chafee, who now calls himself an independent. "I saw what Bush and Cheney did. They came in with a (budget) surplus and a stable world, and look what's happened now. In eight short years they've taken one peaceful and prosperous world, and they've torn it into tatters."

As for McCain's choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for his running mate, "there's no question she's totally unqualified," Chafee said.

He had similar reservations about Obama's lack of experience, but said the Democrat's handling of the campaign convinced him he's ready to lead.
Chafee said he has spoken with several other moderate Republican leaders, and "there are a whole lot of us deserting."

http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/news_i...l_PHIL-mug.jpgPhil Arthurhultz

One of them is Phil Arthurhultz, a former Republican state senator from Whitehall, who was traveling the state with Chafee to drum up support for Obama.

Bob Eleveld is a former Kent County Republican chairman who led McCain's West Michigan campaign in 2000. This year, he has remained mum unless asked.

"I'm not supporting either of them at this point," he said. "Suffice it to say there are a number of people who have been strong Republicans in the past, including party chairs, who feel as I do. "He declined to name them.
In the past, McCain was more of a moderate known for his straight talk, Eleveld said.

"I think the straight talk is gone," he said, describing himself as a member of the party's moderate wing. "I think he's pandering to the Christian right. That's some straight talk from me."

Whether they represent a widespread movement or a few disenchanted members in the Republican Party is unclear.

"I don't think for one minute John McCain has violated the trust we put in him," said Marge Byington Potter, a former chairwoman of the Kent County Commission, who calls herself a moderate Republican. "I think McCain understands people are in a situation that people are hurting terribly."
Milliken stopped short of saying he will vote for Obama, but said he differs with McCain on the Iraq war and his choice of Palin.

"I know John McCain is 72. In my book, that's quite young," said Milliken, 86, Michigan's longest-serving governor. But he added, "What if she were to become president of the United States? The idea, to me, is quite disturbing, if not appalling.

"Increasingly, the party is moving toward rigidity, and I don't like that. I think Gerald Ford would hold generally the same view I'm holding on the direction of the Republican Party."

http://www.mlive.com/grpress/news/in...ken_backs.html

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I truly fear for this country if people like you libs in here prevail and vote Obama into the White House. Not even God will help us then!

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what about the present? does the present day provide you with any trepidation?

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:lolGuess you forgot about the hate speech Pelosi gave right before the house voted the first time on the bailout! Classic example of how liberals only remember what they want to!:lol

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How fucking stupid are you? It says a lot that you equate that with race-baiting, and McCain and Palin not calling out their supporters for calling Obama a terrorist or saying "Kill him!"

Lincoln Chafee is a guy who 20 years ago would've been considered a very conservative Republican. It says quite a bit about how far the GOP has lurched to the far right and how much they've given in to the Christian nutball wing of their party that he feels more comfortable supporting Obama.

I'm pretty sure that this doesn't count as hatred either...

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After I spoke and thanked the fraternity and their members, Rev. Eric Lee, pres. and CEO of Southern Christian Leadership Conference of greater Los Angeles, was introduced as the key note speaker.

He began his speech by thanking Jesus for Obama, who is going to be the leader of the world. He continued by referring to other leaders Like Dr. King, being that this was the moment of celebrating Dr. King's spirit on the anniversary of his death, and Malcolm X.

It was right after the mention of Malcolm X that he looked right at me and started talking about the African American children who are suffering because of the “JEWS” that have featured them as rapists and murderers. He spoke of a Jewish Rabbi, and then corrected himself to say "What other kind of Rabbis are there, but “JEWS”. He told how this Rabbi came to him to say that he would like to bring the AA community and the Jewish community together. “NO, NO, NO,!!!!” he shouted into the crowd, we are not going to come together. “The Jews have made money on us in the music business and we are the entertainers, and they are economically enslaving us.”

He continued as to how now the salvation has come and the gates have open for African Americans to come together behind Barack Obama, because now is the time to show them (meaning the Jews).

He continued to speak about “White supremacy” vs. the talents and visionaries in the core of African Americans. He demeaned being given freedom, by saying “To what?” to a country that kills women and children.

http://www.seraphicpress.com/archive...emitic_oba.php

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Hey, here's some argula-eating liberal fag that served in Reagan's Administration weighing in:

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"One of the most striking things we've seen in the last few day, we have seen it at the Palin rallies and we saw it at the McCain rally today," said David Gergen, appearing on Anderson Cooper 360 Thursday evening. "And we saw it to a considerable degree during the rescue package legislation. There is a free-floating sort of whipping-around anger that could really lead to some violence. And I think we're not far from that."

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Guess he's just some whiny, overly sensitive liberal fag.

Ageism doesn't count as hatred either since the people they are targeting are too old to fight back I guess...

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Appearing on This Week with George Stephanopolous today, prominent Obama supporter Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) said that Americans should be "uncomfortable" with Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as Sen. John McCain's Vice-President because of McCain's advanced age and history of cancer.

http://news.aol.com/political-machin...ns-age-cancer/

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Ageism doesn't count as hatred either since the people they are targeting are too old to fight back I guess...

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Uh, no it doesn't, since POTUS is unique in the physical and mental rigors it imposes on its occupants. And it's an issue since McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor, and his running mate is grossly unqualified.

Do you agree with the sentiments expressed in the videos I posted on the first page of this thread?

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Hey, here's some argula-eating liberal fag that served in Reagan's Administration weighing in:



Guess he's just some whiny, overly sensitive liberal fag.

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I've seen him speak and I agree with your analysis.

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I'm pretty sure that this doesn't count as hatred either...

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Who is this guy? Is he apart of the United States government? Was he at an Obama rally speaking for him? Did Obama stand idly by and watch him say this? If not then who gives a fuck? You're taking shit from a blog with this he said, she said crap and Obama wasn't even there. You people are getting dumber by the minute.

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I've seen him speak and I agree with your analysis.

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Well, kudos to you. You're practically the first McCain supporter in this thread to say that garbage doesn't speak for you.