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That's fine...Obama can sue them in civil court. But then he would have to open up all of his records.Quote:
Originally Posted by Findog
Not sure if you mean the Schutzstaffel or the Secret Service...but if you meant the Secret Service, I'm pretty sure they have the situation under control.
those are angry mobs. mccain doesn't have the courage to say:
"don't call him a traitor. he's not a traitor"
"don't say killer again or i'll have you removed"
"stop calling him a terrorist"
nope, my friends, he don't have the courage when he's out numbered.
Here's an article about the hatred inflamed by McLiar and his pitbull bitch.
Unmitigated, unrelenting demagoguery and rabble rousing.
McMeFirst + pitbull bitch, The Hate Ticket
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Anger Is Crowd's Overarching Emotion at McCain Rally
By Michael D. Shear and Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 10, 2008; A04
WAUKESHA, Wis., Oct. 9 -- There were shouts of "Nobama" and "Socialist" at the mention of the Democratic presidential nominee. There were boos, middle fingers turned up and thumbs turned down as a media caravan moved through the crowd Thursday for a midday town hall gathering featuring John McCain and Sarah Palin.
"It is absolutely vital that you take it to Obama, that you hit him where it hits, there's a soft spot," said James T. Harris, a local radio talk show host, who urged the Republican nominee to use Barack Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., and others against him.
"We have the good Reverend Wright. We have [the Rev. Michael L.] Pfleger. We have all of these shady characters that have surrounded him," Harris bellowed. "We have corruption here in Wisconsin and voting across the nation. I am begging you, sir. I am begging you. Take it to him."
The crowd of thousands roared its approval.
In recent days, a campaign that embraced the mantra of "Country First" but is flagging in the polls and scrambling for a way to close the gap as the nation's economy slides into shambles has found itself at the center of an outpouring of raw emotion rare in a presidential race.
"There's 26 days and people are looking at the very serious possibility that there's a chance that Obama might get in, and they don't like that," said Ian Eltrich, 28, as he filed out of the crowded sports complex.
"I'm mad! I'm really mad!" another man said, taking the microphone and refusing to surrender it easily, even when McCain tried to agree with him.
"I'm not done. Lemme finish, please," he said after a standing ovation. "When you have Obama, [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi and the rest of the hooligans up there going to run the country, we have to have our head examined.
"It's time that you two represent the rest of us. So go get 'em."
The crowd burst into loud chants of "U-S-A! U-S-A!"
Standing at the center of the crowd, McCain and Palin drew on the crowd's energy as they repeatedly trained their fire on Obama.
"Senator Obama has a clear radical, far-left, pro-abortion record," McCain said after being asked about the issue.
The answer prompted a shower of boos from the crowd members. They booed again when he mentioned William Ayers, who bombed U.S. facilities to protest the Vietnam War as part of the domestic terrorist group the Weather Underground. They booed again at the mention of Rep. Barney Frank, a liberal from Massachusetts.
McCain spends most of his time at his rallies and town hall meetings lambasting his rival, often calling him a "co-conspirator" with congressional Democrats in what he argues are the seeds of the financial crisis at mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
"Will you assure us," one woman asked, "that, as president, you will take immediate action to investigate, prosecute and name the names of the people actually responsible?"
"I will," McCain answered.
"The same people that are now claiming credit for this rescue are the same ones that were willing co-conspirators in causing this problem that it is," he said, raising his voice to be heard over the crowd. "You know their names. You will know more of their names."
The crowds that show up for his rallies these days appear to have little appetite for the talk of bipartisan compromise that had been at the heart of his message around the Republican National Convention. During a rally outside a small airport in Mosinee, Wis., on Thursday, McCain said that "it's time we come together, Democrats and Republicans to work together. That's my record. I'll reach across the aisle."
The crowd stood silent.
At the town hall gathering here, McCain praised Harris for his "courage" in speaking his mind. But, heedful of the economic chaos gripping the country, McCain sought to steer away, at least briefly, from attacks on Obama's character and integrity.
"Yes, I'll do that," he said of the request to "take it to" Obama. "But I also, my friends, want to address the greatest financial challenge of our lifetime with a positive plan for action that Senator Obama and I have. We need to restore hope and trust and confidence in America and have Americans know that our best days are ahead of us. That's the future and strength and beauty of America."
As the crowd filed out, several said they agreed with the man who said he was mad. Others went further.
"No, I'm not mad, I'm pissed," said Joan Schmitz, who owns a plumbing company here. She said she was frustrated with polls showing Obama surging, McCain's performance in a Tuesday night debate, Obama himself, the media, and the liberal group ACORN, which she said was registering voters fraudulently.
Noting Obama's connections with Ayers, she said that "if it was a Republican, it would be nonstop," referring to what she said was the media ignoring the controversial acquaintance.
"I can't stand to look at him, I don't trust him. I don't like the circle of friends he keeps, I don't like his policies," Schmitz said of Obama. "I'm pissed off by it. I'm beyond mad. How is he climbing up in the polls?"
On the way into the event, the Republican Party of Wisconsin handed out fliers reading "Your Vote Is Being Stolen," an anti-ACORN leaflet that concluded, "Why is vote fraud allowed? Vote fraud is allowed since it benefits Democrats."
The crowd showed equal disdain for the media, fueled by comments from Palin, who encouraged the Republican supporters to take the campaign's message around the media. "I can't pick a fight with those who buy ink by the barrel," she said. "It's dangerous territory whenever I suggest the mainstream media isn't asking all the questions."
That message was clearly shared among the crowd. Mike Payne, who traveled from Madison, Wis., for the rally, rejected the idea that McCain's supporters are angry, preferring to use the word "frustrated."
"It might have something to do with you guys," he told a reporter.
"It's not anger at all. It's frustration. There's millions of people around the country that think like we do. You guys refuse to acknowledge that, and you insult our intelligence by misreporting the information. You are treating [Obama] like he's Britney Spears and covering him like he's Paris Hilton, instead of the next president of the United States, potentially."
McCain advisers dismissed the crowd's angry tone as an exception and not representative of most of the campaign's events. And they noted that those gathered seemed most upset by the media's handling of the contest, and simply wanted McCain to be more aggressive.
They also noted that many of McCain's events are attended by liberal protesters, who often yell epithets and hold angry signs as McCain's bus drives by. And they recalled angry words from Obama at a rally in Las Vegas last month, in which he urged supporters to talk to their friends and neighbors, saying "I want you to argue with them and get in their face."
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The McMeFirst rabble bots are really ugly, huh? America the Beautiful.
Ayers, Wright, New Party, socialism, blame EVERYTHING on the Dems all non-issues to piss off of the rabble, the red-necks, the right-wing dumbfucks. divisivie, polarizing, hate-fueled.
It is what it is, they've gotten more and more desperate as they've fallen behind in the polls and their supporters have folowed their lead and done the same.
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Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
All of which means you are precisely the kind of "useful idiot" that the republican spin doctors hope for when they put out their 1/2 true propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenMcCoy
1) Any objective investigation into the Obama/Ayers thing showed that there was really no proof of any close ties. The evidence supports a passing association, and that is about it.
2) Taking Mrs. Obama's quotes waaay out of context is yet another stretch of the truth.
Almost all of us are to some degree proud of our country, yet there are defining moments and events that really make us excited and ratchet up those feelings of pride to levels we have not experienced before. This is what anybody with any sense would take away from that, if they had truly watched the whole speech and not just the spoonfed quote parroted endlessly.
3) ACORN is not a group that "tries to undermine the sanctity of democracy". This group is being villified in a rather cynical attempt to smear Obama himself. "far-left" is the term usually used to describe it. Oddly enough, "undermining the sanctity of democracy" does not appear anywhere in their mission statement.
4) "Close" ties to the executives of Fannie and Freddie being that he took advice from executives that left Fannie and Freddie in the late nineties, long before the accounting scandals and other irregularities started popping up. Blaming them for what happened years after they left the organization is disinegenuous at best.
ACORN to McCain: Have You Lost That Loving Feeling?
October 13, 2008
Senator Allied with ACORN as Recently as 2006, Now Turns Cold Shoulder
October 13, 2008, Miami, FL - U.S. Senator John McCain's recent attacks on the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) are puzzling given his historic support for the organization and its efforts on behalf of immigrant Americans. As recently as February 20, 2006, Senator McCain was the keynote speaker at an ACORN-sponsored Immigration Rally in Miami, Florida at Miami Dade College – Wolfson Campus.
The rally, co-sponsored by ACORN in partnership with the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC), Catholic League Services – Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia/Vota en Accion, the Service Employees International Union, and UNITE/HERE, was intended to call attention to the need for comprehensive immigration reform.
Senator McCain spoke at the rally attended by hundreds of ACORN members, most of whom were dressed in the red shirts typical of its members. Senator McCain's speech focused on the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act, a bipartisan, comprehensive reform bill, which McCain sponsored with Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA).
Bertha Lewis, Chief Organizer of ACORN, said, "It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans. Maybe it is out of desperation that Senator McCain has forgotten that he was for ACORN before he was against ACORN; he was for immigration reform before he was against immigration reform; and he was a maverick before he became erratic. We were thrilled to partner with him to help reform the outdated immigration laws in this country, and were pleased to work closely with him on this issue."
Lewis continued, "We expected Senator McCain to support our efforts to give voice to millions of Americans who have never participated in an election before. We are surprised at his efforts to vilify an organization that, until recently, he saw as an ally. Maybe this surprise attack and change of heart is indicative of his state of mind, and the way he would govern."
Senator McCain and his campaign have recently launched a series of coordinated attacks on ACORN, the nation’s largest community organization of low-and moderate-income families.
Ms. Lewis went on to say that, "We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform."
Senator McCain was joined at the rally by Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-FL), Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL), leaders from both political parties, immigrant communities, and members of labor, business, and religious organizations.
ACORN has register 1.3 million people and 10, 20 ,30 instances of voter fraud. Isn't that like less than 1/10 of 1%? Oh the horrah!
It's BILLIONS of votes siphoned in!!!! Oh NOES!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Personally I find it rather sickening, if not not unsurprising, that the right in this country would continue its War on the Poor by seeking to discredit and destroy non-profit organizations that attempt to give a voice in public policy to people who are sadly under-represented in our government.
ACORN's mission is no different than many other programs that seek to improve the lot of the poor.
Here are some other organizational goal on the part of other groups, perhaps you could tell me how they are "far-left" and I will identify them for you:
Group A:
Attempts to help people find Missing Persons
Provides disaster relief
Attempts to assist in prisoner rehabilitation
Provides extra resources for drug and alcohol addiction rehabilitation
Fights human trafficing through lobbying and assistence to victims
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Group B works with partners around the world in providing emergency relief, refugee resettlement, and community development to those in need. All of this is made possible through the generous donations.... Group B staff and board members responsibly administer these gifts, enabling [people] to engage in simple acts of compassion that can make a difference for thousands around the world. Group B is committed to being a trustworthy organization capable of delivering resources that can bring hope and new opportunities for those confronting the many faces of poverty.
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Group C is ... dedicated to our neighbors who are struggling with poverty and its uncertainties. We provide resources such as shelter, food, and clothing to families and individuals in need, helping them move from crisis to stability. We strive to eliminate the social causes of poverty that affect the people we serve by raising public awareness and advocating for change.
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All of the above are religious-based organizations helping the poor in one way or another.
The message I get is that it is OK with the right when it is a church that helps the poor, but not ok if anybody else does it.
The types of fraund perpetrated by the people hired by ACORN doesn't tranlate into actual vote fraud.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
You might be able to get a few jack-asses to sign registration cards for a registration drive, but it is another thing entirely to leverage those phony registrations into votes.