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Originally Posted by Ya Vez
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I tried to understand this but all I got wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya Vez
Error: No Logic Present, Please Reboot and Try Again
"bush was abusing his office if he tried to get rumsfeld to remove agents that were torturing suspected terrorist"
dubya said(lied) "America doesn't torture", so yes, if rummy refused to fire agents who were torturing, then firing rummy would be the right action.
But your situation is extremely hypothetical and thereby, meaningless, because dubya, rummy, and their agents don't subscribe to any principles on which the American Myth is based.
Please list the criminal indictments against Wooten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya Vez
Wow. Another insightful retort from the village idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
If a white cop tasered a 10 year old black kid (for ANY reason) in Chicago and only got a 5 day suspension, your side of the fence would be screaming bloody murder. Demanding that the cop be fired and prosecuted. You know it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
People would be upset because this situation would mean it was race-related. Do you know ANYTHING about what happened between the step-father and the boy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
False...Palin went after Republicans as well in her administration including the head of the Republican Party. It most definitely is partisan.
I know exactly what happened (at least the cops version). If it was the EXACT same situation in Chicago except the step son was black, your side would be screaming bloody murder and demanding the cop be fired and prosecuted. You know it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
So did the stepson attack him? If not, that's a pretty simple case of assault, and Palin's a moron for not getting her family to press charges and get his ass thrown in jail. Seriously, what jury wouldn't convict the guy of assault?
Ok if you know exactly what happened can you tell us? Why did the trooper taser the boy? Was the boy taken to the hospital? Did the mother know about it within 24 hours of it happening? Was the boy taken away from the step-father?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
Cops version is that he just barely tasered the kid because the kid wanted to know how it felt.
That type of judgement disqualifies him from wearing a badge IMO. If the kid was black you'd agree with that. You know it's true.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
No. It was irresponsible. No doubt about that. But I'm not sure I can say I would want him fired because he made a stupid mistake. I like how you're bringing race into this though. Shows your true colors.
Wow. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
ACORN is a very tiny molehill the Republicans would like you to think is a massive mountain.
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Saturday, Oct. 11, 2008
What the Troopergate Report Really Says
By Nathan Thornburgh/Anchorage
Friday's report from special investigator Stephen Branchflower to Alaska's Legislative Council answered some basic questions about the political and personal bog known as Troopergate.
Did Governor Sarah Palin abuse the power of her office in trying to get her former brother-in-law, State Trooper Mike Wooten, fired? Yes.
Was the refusal to fire Mike Wooten the reason Palin fired Commissioner of Public Safety Walt Monegan? Not exclusively, and it was within her rights as the states' chief executive to fire him for just about any reason, even without cause.
Those answers were expected, given that most of the best pieces of evidence have been part of the public record for months. The result is not a mortal wound to Palin, nor does it put her at much risk of being forced to leave the ticket her presence succeeded in energizing.
But the Branchflower report still makes for good reading, if only because it convincingly answers a question nobody had even thought to ask: Is the Palin administration shockingly amateurish? Yes, it is. Disturbingly so.
The 263 pages of the report show a co-ordinated application of pressure on Monegan so transparent and ham-handed that it was almost certain to end in public embarrassment for the governor. The only surprise is that Troopergate is national news, not just a sorry piece of political gristle to be chewed on by Alaska politicos over steaks at Anchorage's Club Paris.
A harsh verdict? Consider the report's findings. Not only did people at almost every level of the Palin administration engage in repeated inappropriate contact with Walt Monegan and other high-ranking officials at the Department of Public Safety, but Monegan and his peers constantly warned these Palin disciples that the contact was inappropriate and probably unlawful. Still, the emails and calls continued — in at least one instance on recorded state trooper phone lines.
The state's head of personnel, Annette Kreitzer, called Monegan and had to be warned that personnel issues were confidential. The state's attorney general, Talis Colberg, called Monegan and had to be reminded that the call was putting both men in legal jeopardy, should Wooten decide to sue. The governor's chief of staff met with Monegan and had to be reminded by Monegan that, "This conversation is discoverable ... You don't want Wooten to own your house, do you?"
Monegan consistently emerges as the adult in these conversations, while the Palin camp displays a childish impetuousness and sense of entitlement.
One telling exchange: Deputy Commissioner John Glass, who worked under Monegan, told Branchflower he was "livid" after a Palin staffer, Frank Bailey, went outside the chain of command and called a state trooper in far-off Ketchikan to complain about Wooten. Why had Bailey called the trooper? Because, Bailey said, this trooper had gone to church with Sarah Palin back in Wasilla, so he felt "comfortable" talking to him about Wooten. Glass, too, tried to sound the warning that continuing to pressure anyone and everyone in the matter would end in "an unbelievable amount of embarrassment for the Governor and everybody else".
(See photos of Sarah Palin on the campaign trail)
Another amateurish sign: Todd Palin's outsize role in the mess. Branchflower said it was out of his jurisdiction to pass judgment on the First Gentleman, but his report paints an extralegal role for Todd Palin that would have made the Hillary Clinton of 1992 blush. In the report, the head of Gov. Palin's security detail says that Todd spent about half of his time in the governor's office — not at a desk (he didn't have one), but at a long conference table on one side of the office, with his own phone to make and receive calls. It became a shadow office, the informal Department of Getting Mike Wooten Fired.
It was at that long table that Todd Palin first scheduled a meeting with Walt Monegan, days after his wife's administration began. He showed Monegan three huge binders of evidence against Wooten, including a picture of a dead moose that had been shot illegally. After Monegan came back saying that there was no new actionable information, Todd began a very visible campaign of stewing and fuming, trying to get access to personnel files, calling up and down the Public Safety org chart.
The report also raises the suggestion that the final incident that led to Monegan's firing was perhaps the most (unintentionally) hilarious part of the whole saga. In the run-up to Alaska's 2008 Police Memorial Day event, Monegan visited Palin in Anchorage and brought along an official portrait of a state trooper in uniform, saluting in front of the police memorial in Anchorage, for Palin to sign and present at the event. The trooper? Mike Wooten.
Palin signed the photo and didn't say anything, according to Monegan's testimony, but later cancelled her attendance at the event, sending Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell in her place. The head of her Anchorage office followed up with a call to Monegan berating him for his insensitivity. (Monegan swears he didn't know it was Wooten in the picture, and that he didn't even know what Wooten looked like.)
Shortly after that incident, Monegan's fate was cast. But even then, Palin's staffers were blithely adding more evidence to Troopergate. When Monegan's potential successor, Chuck Kopp, asked Bailey, the Palin staffer, why Monegan was being fired, he was told simply: "Todd is really upset with Monegan."
So what does this say about the possible Vice-President of the United States? Certainly not as much as her enemies would have hoped. She was only directly involved in a small bit of the pressure campaign — a meeting or two and a couple of emails. She can thank Monegan for not having her hands dirtier; it was he who told her to keep herself at "arm's length" from any Wooten conversations.
But even though she won't likely face any legal repercussions, the amateurism and cronyism of her brief administration hardly leaves Palin sitting pretty. Troopergate's final verdict may be even more damaging than a rebuke: her administration was, at least this regard, just as self-motivated as the Washington fat cats and lobbyists she hopes to unseat.
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pitbull bitch is an unprincipled, amoral, hypocritical "Christian" sack of shit, the PERFECT Repug candidate and lover for Whott
So now you are using the Wild Cobra tack.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Ok, let me know specifically how she "went after" each memeber of this panel.
Thanks for not trying to dodge it or change the subject in advance.
Sure if you'll link to the quote of me saying she went after each member of the panel.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Right no one should be able to do that but you...in nearly every single post you make.Quote:
Thanks for not trying to dodge it or change the subject in advance.
Like you just changed me saying she went after her own party into a statement that she went after every member of this panel individually.
If they all voted against her in a "partisan" manner (even though they are from different parties), she must have done something to piss them all off.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Or she just did something that was pretty obviouslyt wrong.
Whichc is more likely?
So how did she "go after" her own party and how does that result in every panel member being "after" her?Quote:
Right no one should be able to do that but you...in nearly every single post you make.
Like you just changed me saying she went after her own party into a statement that she went after every member of this panel individually.
Please explain yourself.
Simple.....she's not a party loyalist, plus she doesn't cowtow to special interests as many politicians on both sides of the line do. That makes her the enemy...very similar to the reasons no one wants her in Washington.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
In the case of the Democrats in her state, she often sided with them against her own party.
That means when the Democrats come calling for loyalty from Alaskan Democrats, they will get it, but her refusal to tow party lines also explains why her own party would want her out as well.
I don't expect you to agree with that...but it is sound reasoning nontheless.
Besides...
This trooper was reccomended for dismissal before Palin even became Governor.
So your contention is that every member of this panel considers her an enemy and ther could be no other possible reason for their conclusion. ROFLQuote:
Originally Posted by whottt
So why did they decide against her?Quote:
In the case of the Democrats in her state, she often sided with them against her own party.
Great.Quote:
This trooper was reccomended for dismissal before Palin even became Governor.
Then she shouldn't have pressured anybody.
She's stupid.
Added to the stories of her time as Mayor, it seems to be a very clear pattern of the behavior of her administrations.Quote:
...her administration was, at least this regard, just as self-motivated as the Washington fat cats and lobbyists she hopes to unseat.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Again with the every member of the panel? I've contended nothing about every member of the panel...that's all you, repeatedly. Trying to get me to argue your position...and not my own.
You are incapable of any other sort of argument.
Me? I can read the legislators themselves saying they didn't agree with all the findings.
I don't really see that they did. It's a halfassed finding with no penalty involved and even the wording is on the fence.Quote:
So why did they decide against her?
Basically yes it was part of the reason she fired him, yes she put pressure on the guy to fire him(or her husband did)no it wasn't entirely the reason she fired him, yes she was totally within her power to fire him for any reason.
It's only a big deal to people with a proven record of disliking Palin like yourself.
You're stupid...this isn't a big deal to anyone other Obama supporters...the rest of us are worried about the scale of the Acorn Voter Fraud.Quote:
Great.
Then she shouldn't have pressured anybody.
She's stupid.
You don't care...you suck at the cock of Obama...blindly, and with enthusiasm.
So great. That completely blows your theory they they are out to get her out of the water, Way to kick your own ass, whottt.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I never said it was a big deal. Indeed I said repeatedly that she will suffer no legal fallout. But yeah, there will be political damage.Quote:
I don't really see that they did. It's a halfassed finding with no penalty involved and even the wording is on the fence.
Basically yes it was part of the reason she fired him, yes she put pressure on the guy to fire him(or her husband did)no it wasn't entirely the reason she fired him, yes she was totally within her power to fire him for any reason.
It's only a big deal to people with a proven record of disliking Palin like yourself.
Ah, yes -- your repeated attempts to change the subject to ACORN tell me it's a big deal to you. You are as transparent as you are stupid. And you are very stupid.Quote:
You're stupid...this isn't a big deal to anyone other Obama supporters...the rest of us are worried about the scale of the Acorn Voter Fraud.
Nice edit.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I don't care much for Obama. You LOVE Palin beyond any point of objectivity and now beyond any point of credibility.
You suck multiple 9/11 twoofer cocks for her.