So if it has been proven that thousands of votes have been made fraudulently under the auspices of ACORN, there must be several thousand federal convictions for fraudulent voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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So if it has been proven that thousands of votes have been made fraudulently under the auspices of ACORN, there must be several thousand federal convictions for fraudulent voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
True enough. Registered Democrat whottt is pre-excusing Palin's loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_
57,000 Fraudulent ballots filed in Pennsylvania, all by ACORN:
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=14034
Others in:
Indiana:
http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/30851579.html
Connecticut:
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinion/ci_10701842
How a stupid fuck responds:
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
A bit overstated;Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_
Zogby and Rasmussen have Obama +6, and Gallup has Obama +7.
Not a formidable lead, but still an enviable position to be in for the Obama supporters.
from your own article stupid fuckQuote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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"Between March 23rd and October 1st, various groups, including ACORN, submitted over 252,595 registrations to the Philadelphia County Election Board" with 57, 435 rejected for faulty information.
Anything to change the subject....
Meanwhile, Palin's favorable rating took a hit even in her own state.
It was down to 68% last time I looked. Is it below that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Wouldn't that be registrations? ACORN doesn't vote...Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Who cares? Palin is total hotness and I'd bang her in a second. Meanwhile, it is plenty enough to get my vote.
palin can suck my cock
I dunno. For someone to get a vote based on hotness she had better be smokin' hot. I'd vote for Jessica Biel in a heartbeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by century
In interview with reporters, her message was that she was completely exonerated.
oops! Wishful thinking.
Even in corrupt, backwoods Alaska, how about in pitbull bitch's "church"?, there's something called Ethics for state employees. She still risks sanctions or fines for ethical violations.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...makes-tro.html
What Stupid Chump doesn't understand is only the dumb ones get caught. Even more are not getting caught. The elections are beings stolen for the democrats. Any one in their right mind cannot dismeiss this as exceptionally probable. That is why we conservatives ask for election reform that verifies the voting process. Liberals don't want that process because they know the cheating is being done, and in there favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Pleaseeeeeeee!!!!! The only ones MARRIED with Diebold and their machine that do not leave a paper trail are Republicans! Or you forgot about Florida already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
"The elections are beings stolen for the democrats"
Bogus registrations are not the same as bogus votes.
The Repugs and right-wings are scared shitless by ACORN's 1.3M registrations because they they know nearly all of them are legit, and nearly all of them will vote HUSSEIN.
Even with a HUSSEIN landslide, the Repugs will be trying to legitimize, in court challenges and hate radio/tv, their disaster by de-legitimizing HUSSEIN's victory.
In Nevada, ACORN turned in registrations they flagged as dubious (sounds pretty devious, huh?), but were still attacked.
So you are using fraud that has not been exposed as evidence of fraud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
OK then. The Republicans are much smarter in these matters than the Democrats, so they are obviously pulling off much more fraud because less of their fraud is exposed and prosecuted.
The Problem for Gov. Palin Is that Now She Should Be Impeached
Maybe, as the McCain-Palin campaign hopes, Saturday's press conference was the end of "Troopergate" -- because a national press corps too incurious to care whether Palin has any idea who Bill Ayers is will also likely give her a pass on Troopergate. And maybe the Alaska Senate dominated by Republicans (most of whom have no more use for Palin than most of the Democrats now do but who are loyal members of their national party) will give her the same pass.
That's up to them. But while they're thinking about it they may want to connect the following dots in the Troopergate story that Special Prosecutor Steve Branchflower did not connect in his report.
First, Michael Wooten, Sarah's ex-brother-in-law, whom she tried to have fired, is a "classified" Alaska state employee, which means that he is protected by the Alaska State Personnel Act, (Statute 39.25.010 et seq.), the same way federal employees are protected by the federal Civil Service Act. And Alaska Statute 39.25.900(a) provides: "A person who willfully violates a provision of this chapter or of the personnel rules adopted under this chapter is guilty of a misdemeanor."
Second, unlike Article II, Section 4, of the United States Constitution, which empowers Congress to remove "The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States" from office by impeachment on the grounds of "Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors," Article II, Section 20, of the Alaska Constitution does not identify the grounds for impeachment. Instead, the delegates to the Alaska Constitutional Convention intended the Alaska Legislature to decide the grounds.
To that end, the Alaska Legislature has enacted statutes that establish the grounds for the impeachment of Alaska Supreme Court Justices and Superior Court Judges as "malfeasance or misfeasance in the performance of official duties."
Third, although the Legislature has not enacted a statute that establishes the grounds for the impeachment of the Governor, in 1985 the Alaska Senate held hearings on a motion to recommend to the Alaska House of Representatives that it hold a trial to impeach Alaska Governor Bill Sheffield because he allegedly had violated a State procurement statute in order to steer a State office lease to a political supporter. At the conclusion of the hearings, the Senate determined that there was "no clear and convincing evidence" that Governor Sheffield had violated the statute. However, if the facts had been that Governor Sheffield had violated the statute, he would have committed "malfeasance in the performance of official duties" and he would have been impeached.
All of which is a lawyer's way of saying that if Governor Palin or any other Alaska Governor commits "malfeasance in the performance of her or his official duties" by intentionally violating a statute, or intentionally encouraging others to do so, like the justices of the Alaska Supreme Court, she or he should be impeached.
Whether "the circumstances and events surrounding the termination of former Public Safety Commissioner Monegan" indicate that Governor Palin committed "malfeasance in the performance of her official duties" and therefore should be impeached was the true subject of the Troopergate investigation. But that extremely important point was obfuscated in the Legislative Council's description of the investigation. As a consequence, Steve Branchflower makes no mention in his report that the delegates to the Alaska Constitutional Convention intended the penalty for a Governor who knowingly refuses to "faithfully execute the laws" to be impeachment.
And so, in this light, Palin should be concerned, at least where the evidence is concerned. As anyone who has read the report now knows, excerpts are painfully explicit and damning, no matter how Palin tries to spin it:
On February 13, 2007 Walt Monegan and Sarah Palin walked through the Capitol Building in Juneau on their way to a meeting:MONEGAN: So as we were walking down the stairs, the governor mentioned to me, she says, "I'd like to talk to you about Wooten." And I said, "Ma'am, I need you to keep an arm's length on this issue. And if you have further complaints on him, I can deal with Todd on it." And she goes, "That's a better idea."Several weeks after that when Walt Monegan again was in Juneau, Mike Tibbles, Governor Palin's chief of staff, called Monegan into his office:MONEGAN: I walked into his office. It was just him and I. We were alone. He closed the doors, and he says, "I understand you have a Trooper Mike Wooten on the force." And I started to explain to him that the investigation on Wooten was completed. It had been done by the last administration. It is all done; there is no issues. We had the case reviewed at the request of Todd, and that this is an issue that is closed. And then I went to say that it is my understanding that should there be any litigation brought on by Trooper Wooten, this conversation is discoverable, and the way I understand state law, having been sued a couple of times, is that we are certainly liable, certainly as state employees, but also could be as individuals if we intentionally break this law [i.e., the State Personnel Act]. So we shouldn't be talking about this. You don't want Wooten to own your house, do you? He goes, "No, I don't." "Then we shouldn't talk about this." So that's how it ended.Volume 1 of the Troopergate report continues for another 334 pages. But the point has been made. And the point is that from the beginning of her administration Sarah Palin and, with her knowledge and approval, the people around her repeatedly attempted to persuade Commissioner of Public Safety Walt Monegan to commit a criminal misdemeanor by firing Michael Wooten from his job as an Alaska State Trooper in violation of the State Personnel Act. Doing so is "malfeasance in the performance of official duties" that, adjusted for time and circumstance, is near identical to the alleged "malfeasance in the performance of official duties" that in 1985 almost got Alaska Governor Bill Sheffield impeached.
Whether as a consequence of the Troopergate investigation Alaska Governor Sarah Palin soon will face her own impeachment depends on the extent to which the Republican members of the Alaska Senate believe that their constitutional duty to ensure that every Alaska governor "faithfully executes the laws" trumps party loyalty. As of today, I would rate that a toss-up.
http://alaskadispatch.com/tundra-tal...impeached.html
ee you didn't get the memo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
During the 2004 elections, they had three systems in Ohio. Both the ones with paper trails clearly had president Bush leading by several percent. The electronic paperless systems had senator Kerry winning. If cheating was done, it was by democrats. The democrats came close to stealing Ohio! Who knows what areas the ias well? Could ba a factor for their 2006 sweep too!
I have posted the link and data some time ago. I'm not even sure if I can find it again, but the facts are in.
:lol :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You want me to find the article where either a Sequoia or Diebold machine counted negative votes for a Democrat?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Officials warned Palin aides
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ion/index.htmlQuote:
Top state police officials urged Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's aides and husband to stop pushing for the firing of her ex-brother-in-law, with one warning it could cause "an extreme amount of discomfort and embarrassment."
That warning from John Glass, Alaska's deputy commissioner of public safety, is included in a state investigator's report that found Palin unlawfully abused her authority to press for the dismissal of Mike Wooten, her sister's ex-husband, from the state trooper force.
Glass said he warned Palin's husband, Todd, that disciplinary action already had been taken against the trooper and that "we could not fire him," according to the report, which was released Friday.
"And I also warned him that it was going to cause some extreme amount of discomfort and embarrassment for the governor if they pursued this and it should never have become public. That it would just be not good for the governor if it continued, and that they needed to cease and desist," Glass told former Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower, the report's author.
The report was commissioned by a bipartisan Alaska Legislature committee panel investigating Palin's July dismissal of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. The report found Monegan's refusal to fire Wooten was "likely a contributing factor" to Monegan's dismissal, but Palin -- now the running mate of GOP presidential candidate Sen. John McCain -- had the authority as governor to fire him.
The report, however, also states Palin's efforts to get Wooten fired broke a state ethics law that bars public officials from pursuing personal interest through official action.
Glass is a former police chief of Palin's hometown of Wasilla and a snowmobiling friend of Todd Palin. In Todd Palin's account of Glass' warning, which took place in early spring 2008, he said Glass told him, "I'm telling you as a friend, I love the governor, but I am telling you, stay away from this Wooten situation."
"I felt it was more of the same with troopers protecting a 'brother' officer," Todd Palin told Branchflower in written answers provided through his attorney. They were delivered on Wednesday, after he had resisted a subpoena for three weeks, and were not included in Friday's report.
Glass said Sarah Palin had been questioning the loyalty of state police officials before Monegan's firing. But Glass added: "I don't think there's anybody that would really question our loyalty to her, because we have been trying to avoid this whole situation."
The Branchflower report found Todd Palin used the governor's office and its resources to press Monegan directly for Wooten's firing, and that the governor did nothing to stop it.
Palin attorney Thomas Van Flein said Monday that Branchflower's conclusion that Palin had violated state ethics law was wrong, because no financial interest was involved. Palin told reporters over the weekend that she had been "cleared of any legal wrongdoing, any hint of any kind of unethical activity there."
In September, McCain-Palin campaign officials said Monegan was fired for insubordination when he continued to press for programs the governor opposed. Documents and statements released by Palin's office show Monegan had clashed with administration officials over budget issues.
Monegan has said he never received a direct order to fire Wooten. But he told Branchflower that complaints from Todd Palin and administration officials were the "central theme" of his 17-month tenure.
"So obviously, in my mind, the governor wanted me to fire Mike Wooten," Monegan said, according to the report.
In the report, Monegan and Glass say they warned state officials that they could be sued personally for a wrongful dismissal. Monegan said he told former Palin chief of staff Mike Tibbles that Wooten could "own your house" if he sued. Glass said he delivered a similar warning to Frank Bailey, a Palin adviser who had called a state police lieutenant to raise complaints about Wooten.
Palin has repeatedly described Wooten as a "rogue trooper" who threatened her family during his 2005 divorce from her sister. Complaints from her family led to a five-day suspension for Wooten in 2006 after his superiors determined he illegally shot a moose using his wife's hunting permit, drove his patrol car with an open beer and used a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson "in a training capacity."
Glass said he was "livid" after the Ketchikan-based lieutenant reported Bailey's call to him and told Bailey that Wooten already had been suspended for the same complaints.
"If we did go back and fire him for that, it would probably be viewed upon by, you know, the courts and stuff that it would be a wrongful discharge," Glass recounted. "When you do fire somebody wrongfully like that and you do so outside the scope of your employment, you then become personally liable for that."
Bailey's call to Lt. Rodney Dial -- which was recorded by the Ketchikan dispatch system -- was disclosed by Palin in an August news conference in which she pledged to cooperate with the Branchflower investigation. Bailey told Glass he called Dial because Dial used to attend the same church as the governor.
In a sworn statement submitted to Branchflower, Bailey said he "overstepped my boundaries" with the call.
"I should not have spoken for the governor, or Todd for that matter," he said. "I went out on my own in this discussion."
Violations of the state's Executive Branch Ethics Act are assessed by the Alaska Personnel Board and can lead to a fine of up to $5,000.
The governor already has asked the Personnel Board to conduct its own investigation into Monegan's firing -- a move she launched after becoming McCain's vice presidential nominee, declaring the agency the proper legal venue for any investigation.
Palin and her husband are scheduled to give statements to the Personnel Board's investigator, Timothy Petumenos, on October 23 or 24, said Palin attorney Van Flein. He said he would be surprised if Petumenos did not read the Branchflower report, "but I do know he is going on his own individual investigation and is not going to rely on what Branchflower did."
The three-member board meets November 3, but its agenda does not list specific cases for review. Van Flein said he did not know whether the governor's case would be addressed in that meeting, held the day before the presidential election.
Believe as you must. I think you know I do not intentionally mislead. The articles I've seen about that were encountered during testing, and the problems fixed before the elections took place. I recall one of those instances involved putting the wrong memory card in the machine by an election worker. If I remember right, the error was 32768 which is 2^15. A clear computer hardware compatability error when the numbers are errors in base 2. Go ahead and post any you like as long as EXACT number errors are used. I'll bet they have a user/hardware related problem. Is the error a multiple of 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Here is a graphic I saved from the Ohio results:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...a/Ohio2004.jpg
Ed Felten on the New Jersey Voting Machine ControversyQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
LINK
You can read the whole article there, but here's something I wanted to point out:
But an observant clerk in Union County noticed that on one machine they didn't match. The machine recorded 61 votes total for all of the Republican presidential candidates on the Republican ballot, but indicated that only 60 Republican ballots had been cast. So where did the extra vote come from?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I think BOTH parties are cheating on democracy, and it's inexcusable.
Since when is it law for republican registered people to vote republican and democrat registered people to vote democrat?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I didn't read the thing yet, so spare me if this was a primary and not an open election.
OK, after looking at the link, it appears that there is a software problem in all those machines that count 1 more vote than cast. It was consistent for both the democrat and republican ballots, but you "cherry picked" that fact out!
Sotware counting error. As long as the vote count is secure, that's fine.
What were the results of the software audit ordered by the judge? I'll bet they found nothing intentional.