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American politics has gone off the deep end
It started with the most cynical, ridiculous move I've seen in a Presidential election - the appointment of Sarah Palin. That was clearly something that came out of the marketing strategy arm of the party, because it makes no sense in any other context... "Hey, look guys, they DIDN'T go with Hilary! That opens the door for us! Let's get a woman in there and capture the female vote!"
McCain is old and has a lot of miles on the clock, so it's not inconceivable that he could drop dead during the next four years. Serious question to the Republicans around here - do you want to risk Palin controlling your country? Do you really think she's ready to run the most powerful country in the world? NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Then said the Virginian: "I simply cannot vote for that black boy..." Sums up a lot, doesn't it?
The image that finally topped it all for me was the ignorant morons slagging Obama to McCain's face while McCain told them that they needn't fear him, that Obama was merely an honourable American and family man with whom McCain disagreed on some major issues, and then the crowd BOOED MCCAIN! :lmao Check out the racism on those old white people...
I've followed US politics on and off for some time, and I've never seen anything as bizarre as this Presidential race. More corrupt? Sure, 2000 took the cake on that, and of course Tricky Dicky. More inept? Junior will go down as the worst American President of all time, little doubt on that. But more BIZARRE? Not on your life.
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Not only am I a proud Virginian, but I am also a liberal democrat, and I think the above quote is stupid and illustrates a lack of knowledge about my state (which currently has Obama up by 6 points and elected the first black governor in the country, Doug Wilder).
Most of the country views Texas as the backward, red neck, racist center of the Republican party; and one need only look at recent polls from Va and NC to see that most of the country has moved on.
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You do realize TX is perhaps the last major metropolitan state in our nation to be so overwhelmingly Republican right OP?
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Nothing like some foreigner bagging on the United States.
Texas should just secede and all you fucks can go talk shit about the other "redneck" states.
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Originally Posted by
Anti.Hero
Nothing like some foreigner bagging on the United States.
palin is a worldwide joke. :lol
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clambake
palin is a worldwide joke. :lol
The rest of the world can go fuck themselves.
But the new Amerika wants to be like all the rest so whatever.
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I'm struggling to reply to this post because Ruff is uber sensitive but so much of that post is pretty crappy. Nothing will piss off Americans more than a foreigner telling us how bizarre and racist we are while putting stupid little laughing emoticons in the post.
I'm guessing I could find a few bigots of some sort in Australia. I'm sure they're just as representative of Oz as that Virginian is of America.
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Anti.Hero
Nothing like some foreigner bagging on the United States.
I can one up that. Nothing like some foreigner bagging on the US and making generalizations while admitting he's uninformed and laughing at you at the same time.
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Anti.Hero
The rest of the world can go fuck themselves.
they're too busy laughing to fuck themselves. so is bin ladin.
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clambake
they're too busy laughing to fuck themselves. so is bin ladin.
They can't fuck themselves. Amerika will always come in and save them. :depressed
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What makes Obama popular to the foreigners?
Because he is a self-hating Amerikan?
Because he can give good preacher like speeches thanks to Axlerod & co.?
Because he has done 20 months worth of extensive homework on.....the world?
Because, like all you European fucks...is a socialist?
Because he will be a citizen of the world and unite all countries?
Because he is Black and America is such a racist redneck country thanks to that shithole cowboy Texas?
:lmao
Let's let Amerika slip and be like all the rest over the pond. Yayy :bking
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Virginia has "moved on" :lol
GOP Head Compares Obama to Bin Laden
Va. Party Leader Criticized, Including By McCain Team
By Tim Craig
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 13, 2008; B01
RICHMOND -- The chairman of the Virginia Republican Party has compared Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to Osama bin Laden because of the Illinois senator's past association with Bill Ayers, who has confessed to domestic bombings as a member of the Vietnam War-era Weather Underground.
Virginia Democrats, and some Republicans, are outraged, saying these are the latest in a series of inflammatory statements that the GOP has made against Obama in Virginia, a state that has emerged as a crucial battleground in the election.
According to a report in this week's Time magazine, the Virginia party chairman, Del. Jeffrey M. Frederick (R-Prince William), told Virginia volunteers working for GOP nominee John McCain that Obama and bin Laden "both have friends that bombed the Pentagon."
"That is scary," Frederick said while providing talking points to GOP volunteers in western Prince William County as they prepared for a door-to-door canvass.
Several McCain surrogates have blasted Obama for his association with Ayers, but few, if any, have invoked bin Laden.
Yesterday, Frederick said he stood by the comparison, even though bin Laden planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon that killed 184 people and Obama was a child and hadn't met Ayers when the Weather Underground planted a bomb at the Pentagon in 1972. No one was hurt in that blast, in which a bomb exploded in a restroom and caused flooding and damage to computer tapes containing classified information.
Ayers did not participate in the bombing at the Pentagon but admitted to involvement in other blasts. He is now a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and a community activist who lives in Obama's Chicago neighborhood. Obama has said they have had cursory interactions over the years, including serving on the same board.
Clark Stevens, an Obama spokesman, said Frederick's attack on Obama's relationship with Ayers "has been discredited and debunked time and again."
"The Chairman of the Republican Party of Virginia, like so many McCain supporters," Stevens said, "would rather lie about Barack Obama than make the case to the American people why Senator McCain's plans of continuing Bush's policies for another four years would be good for American families."
Gail Gitcho, a McCain spokeswoman, also denounced Frederick's remarks, calling them "not appropriate."
"While Barack Obama is associated with domestic terrorist William Ayers, the McCain campaign disagrees with the comparison that Jeff Frederick made," Gitcho said.
It was the third time in a little more than a week that Gitcho repudiated something said or written by someone affiliated with McCain's Virginia leadership team.
Last week, the head of the McCain campaign in Buchanan County in southwest Virginia was forced to resign after a column surfaced in which he made disparaging remarks about Obama, African Americans and gay people.
Last weekend, the McCain campaign distanced itself from McCain's brother, Joe McCain, after he referred to Alexandria and Arlington County as "communist country."
Joe McCain apologized, saying he was trying to make a joke. But Frederick is not sorry.
"It is just the hard facts. It's terrible that it can be said, but it can," Frederick said. "It's shocking. Here is a guy who is one step away from the presidency, who is one step away from being commander in chief, who has a friend who bombed the Pentagon. It's just shocking to me." He added, "And there is no denying that Osama bin Laden had a role in bombing the Pentagon." :lol :lol :lol
Ayers once hosted a gathering for Obama when the candidate first ran for the Illinois state Senate in 1995. The two also served together on a nonprofit board that distributed educational grants in the city.
Obama has denounced Ayers's actions in the 1960s and 1970s and describes him as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood."
The independent group PolitiFact.com has called the GOP attacks on Obama for serving on the same board as Ayers "malicious."
"It unfairly tars not just Obama, but all the other prominent, well-respected Chicagoans who also volunteered their time to the foundation," PolitiFact wrote.
James E. Hyland, chairman of the Fairfax County Republican Committee, said he thinks that the GOP efforts to link Obama to Ayers could backfire.
"I don't think the associations with Ayers is going to work in Fairfax," Hyland said. "What we are looking for up here is answers on the economy, experience and impact of [McCain's and Obama's] policies on the federal workforce."
But Frederick said he will continue to speak about Obama's ties to Ayers. "This man simply is not ready to lead," Frederick said of Obama.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...201956_pf.html
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Frederick has nothing else to talk about, so the lying character assassination continues.
The Repugs are going nutz as their BottomGun Navyman's boat sinks and NO BAIL OUT in sight! :lol
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Originally Posted by
Anti.Hero
What makes Obama popular to the foreigners?
Because he is a self-hating Amerikan?
Because he can give good preacher like speeches thanks to Axlerod & co.?
Because he has done 20 months worth of extensive homework on.....the world?
Because, like all you European fucks...is a socialist?
Because he will be a citizen of the world and unite all countries?
Because he is Black and America is such a racist redneck country thanks to that shithole cowboy Texas?
:lmao
Let's let Amerika slip and be like all the rest over the pond. Yayy :bking
To be honest with you, the problem is more Bush than Obama/McCain. Clinton had a top notch foreign policy. I remember well, as I used to live outside of the US at the time. Bush, on the other hand, pretty much gave the middle finger to everybody, and proceeded to invade Iraq in what is mostly viewed internationally as just another land/oil grab from an imperialistic country. Even more so when WMD were not found.
Nowadays, Obama's play to try tie McCain as the continuation of Bush has played so far fairly well. It doesn't help when McCain says stuff like 'We have won in Iraq' or 'We'll stay there another 100 years'.
Anyways, just my 2c.
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I would love for Ron Paul to become Pres. and just completely turn a blind eye to all things save the U.S.
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"Let's let Amerika slip"
Already well in progress, aided and abetted by the Repugs and their johns the capitalists, financiers, corps.
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Yes Boutons. The capitalists are out to get you. Let's get rid of them all.
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Anti.Hero
The rest of the world can go fuck themselves.
But the new Amerika wants to be like all the rest so whatever.
Why do spell America with a k? Is there some significance?
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"The capitalists are out to get you."
I'm thrilled you're coming around to reality. Now, Go Fuck Yourself.
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It's getting close boutons. Just hold out a little longer. You're wet dream will soon be reality.
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So, out of the THREE elections Ruff has followed, this is the most bizarre. Wow, that's INTERESTING. I'm so glad we have these foreigners with their deep sense of history going back eight entire years. What insight.
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My dream is sufficient regulation on corps to stop them from fucking us over, like the financial industry has done.
RBS was nationalized because it failed as a business, fucking over its clients and investors.
Paulsen is going to (semi)nationlize lots of US banks for the very same reason.
But first and fastest, he saved AIG so his Goldman Sachs would be saved.
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Extra Stout
So, out of the THREE elections Ruff has followed, this is the most bizarre. Wow, that's INTERESTING. I'm so glad we have these foreigners with their deep sense of history going back eight entire years. What insight.
:nope
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
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Yeah. Sad she has to look down and see her country getting weaker and weaker by the day compared to those who built it.
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clambake
:nope
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
How does this apply to the nattering nabobs who loft their volleys of pretense from abroad?
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Extra Stout
How does this apply to the nattering nabobs who loft their volleys of pretense from abroad?
just that you can see the ignorance of the palin pick from across the pond.
even the landlocked between the atlantic and pacific can see it.
:toast
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Extra Stout
I'm so glad we have these foreigners with their deep sense of history going back eight entire years. What insight.
That's longer than many Americans' sense of history.
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PixelPusher
That's longer than many Americans' sense of history.
Where I come from, Americans' sense of history goes back 50 years to an alternate past that did not actually occur.
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RobinsontoDuncan
Not only am I a proud Virginian, but I am also a liberal democrat, and I think the above quote is stupid and illustrates a lack of knowledge about my state (which currently has Obama up by 6 points and elected the first black governor in the country, Doug Wilder).
Most of the country views Texas as the backward, red neck, racist center of the Republican party; and one need only look at recent polls from Va and NC to see that most of the country has moved on.
I am aware that not all Virginian are racists. I'm not a moron. However, the naked vitriol of that comment by a woman who was about 65 surprised me.
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TheMadHatter
You do realize TX is perhaps the last major metropolitan state in our nation to be so overwhelmingly Republican right OP?
Yes.
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clambake
palin is a worldwide joke. :lol
Indeed she is. There is no way on earth that she is qualified to run the most powerful country on earth. If McCain gets in let's all hope his health holds up.
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MannyIsGod
I'm struggling to reply to this post because Ruff is uber sensitive but so much of that post is pretty crappy. Nothing will piss off Americans more than a foreigner telling us how bizarre and racist we are while putting stupid little laughing emoticons in the post.
I'm guessing I could find a few bigots of some sort in Australia. I'm sure they're just as representative of Oz as that Virginian is of America.
:lol I'm sensitive! Look at all you folks jumping up to abuse me just because I make some observations about the most important election in the planet's history!
Actually Manny, I'm not overly sensitive, I just won't take your shit any more.
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MannyIsGod
I can one up that. Nothing like some foreigner bagging on the US and making generalizations while admitting he's uninformed and laughing at you at the same time.
What generalizations? That there are a lot of older white folks in the US who won't vote for Obama because of the colour of his skin? Is that an incorrect generalization? Of course I know that it doesn't apply to the majority of citizens, but there's plenty of evidence to show that it does apply to quite a few old white people in the South. Also, blame YOUR OWN media organisations for reporting and spreading this generalisation.
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Originally Posted by
Anti.Hero
What makes Obama popular to the foreigners?
Because he is a self-hating Amerikan?
Because he can give good preacher like speeches thanks to Axlerod & co.?
Because he has done 20 months worth of extensive homework on.....the world?
Because, like all you European fucks...is a socialist?
Because he will be a citizen of the world and unite all countries?
Because he is Black and America is such a racist redneck country thanks to that shithole cowboy Texas?
:lmao
Let's let Amerika slip and be like all the rest over the pond. Yayy :bking
I hope that is a parody.
I'm for change, whoever brings it. I couldn't give two shits whether he is a Demo or a Repub.
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Extra Stout
So, out of the THREE elections Ruff has followed, this is the most bizarre. Wow, that's INTERESTING. I'm so glad we have these foreigners with their deep sense of history going back eight entire years. What insight.
Actually, I've followed American politics since I was a kid because we lived there when I was young and both my parents are interested in America. I commented on 3 elections, but that doesn't mean I only followed 3 (come on dude, you are smarter than straw man arguments).
And after all of that, NONE of you commented on Palin's ability to run America, nor the bizarre image of McCain defending Obama to a room of booing Republicans, which were the crux of the post. How predictable. Over-reaction to nothing whilst missing the point... that pretty much sums up what America has become under Junior.
I am not an America-hater, you should know this. I love America, and I used to respect it as the greatest country on earth, but America has gone so far off the track that it is hard to love its current form.
I also recognise that where America goes the world goes - it is still the most important country in the world - and right now the whole world needs vision, bridge-building, leadership and change from America's leadership. Let's hope we get some of that from which ever candidate is next in the White House, because Junior put America back 50 years and divided the world.
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WE HAVE A FUCKING PRESIDENT WHO ISN'T ABLE TO RUN THE FUCKING COUNTRY SO WHY WOULD YOU CALL THE NOMINATION OF A VP WHO CAN'T DO IT THE MOST BIZARRE THING OF ALL TIME?
Jesus H Fucking Christ. We've spent the past year fighting amongst each ohter and all it took was one of your posts to get us all on the same side. Congrats.
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RuffnReadyOzStyle
There is no way on earth that she is qualified to run the most powerful country on earth. If McCain gets in let's all hope his health holds up.
And after all of that, NONE of you commented on Palin's ability to run America, nor the bizarre image of McCain defending Obama to a room of booing Republicans, which were the crux of the post. How predictable.
i did comment :lol but her disqualifications are endless.
you have to understand.......americans think life began 232 years ago.
and palin thinks jesus christ will return in her lifetime.
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MannyIsGod
WE HAVE A FUCKING PRESIDENT WHO ISN'T ABLE TO RUN THE FUCKING COUNTRY SO WHY WOULD YOU CALL THE NOMINATION OF A VP WHO CAN'T DO IT THE MOST BIZARRE THING OF ALL TIME?
Jesus H Fucking Christ. We've spent the past year fighting amongst each ohter and all it took was one of your posts to get us all on the same side. Congrats.
I called it the most bizarre Presidential race I've seen, not Palin's nomination alone. We are talking about a Presidential race. McCain defending Obama to the booing was outright the weirdest thing I've seen - notice that it is emboldened.
As for Junior, it is a revelation that Republicans can now admit how fucking awful he's been. Go back 18 months and that still wasn't the case. Financial meltdown was the coup de grace I guess.
MAYBE WHAT AMERICA NEEDS IS A BIT MORE UNITY AND LESS RED VS BLUE BULLSHIT. YOU SHOULD THANK ME! :lmao
PS The hysterical reaction this thread has recieved is the reason I left the politics forum 3 years ago. After this thread I'll leave again, but it has been... interesting. :lol
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clambake
i did comment :lol but her disqualifications are endless.
you have to understand.......americans think life began 232 years ago.
and palin thinks jesus christ will return in her lifetime.
:lol
Yeah, you did, but no-one else.
If Palin ever runs the US I fear the world will end in a hail of nukes. She is a dangerous zealot, and if Obama wins you may have a second civil war as the South secedes again (just to be clear - *joking*). Oh my, not a pleasant choice. :lol
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Why would Ruff's being foreign, discredit his position? If anything, it and his consequential lack of red v blue hatred makes him more objective. Then again, trying to point out anything to the conservative, xenophobic, racists on this board is an exercise in futility- and frankly all the "shut the fuck up foreigner" responses more than proved it.
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boutons_
My dream is sufficient regulation on corps to stop them from fucking us over, like the financial industry has done.
RBS was nationalized because it failed as a business, fucking over its clients and investors.
Paulsen is going to (semi)nationlize lots of US banks for the very same reason.
But first and fastest, he saved AIG so his Goldman Sachs would be saved.
Yes he did, and Demos couldn't climb over each other fast enough to back Paulsen, and Obama's also reportedly interested in having him stay on should he win.
Go ahead and try and blame this on the Republicans though, it's what you do best.
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MannyIsGod
WE HAVE A FUCKING PRESIDENT WHO ISN'T ABLE TO RUN THE FUCKING COUNTRY SO WHY WOULD YOU CALL THE NOMINATION OF A VP WHO CAN'T DO IT THE MOST BIZARRE THING OF ALL TIME?
Jesus H Fucking Christ. We've spent the past year fighting amongst each ohter and all it took was one of your posts to get us all on the same side. Congrats.
:tu
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ballijuana
Why would Ruff's being foreign, discredit his position? If anything, it and his consequential lack of red v blue hatred makes him more objective. Then again, trying to point out anything to the conservative, xenophobic, racists on this board is an exercise in futility- and frankly all the "shut the fuck up foreigner" responses more than proved it.
Being a foreigner doesn't discredit ones opinion. There are plenty of foreigners who have well informed viewpoints on the American political system. That being said, a foreigner coming in with a self admited less than informed opinion mocking the American political system will always get these type of reactions and be immediately be discredited.
Do you understand why?
EDIT: This isn't the first time Ruff has posted idiocy like this. He's done things like tried to lecture me on American gambling and made claims that were completely incorrect (IE casinos in every state or that gambling was legal in every state).
When one has a lack of information about another's situation, it is wise to speak with at least an once of humility and not as a condescending prick.
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
WE HAVE A FUCKING PRESIDENT WHO ISN'T ABLE TO RUN THE FUCKING COUNTRY SO WHY WOULD YOU CALL THE NOMINATION OF A VP WHO CAN'T DO IT THE MOST BIZARRE THING OF ALL TIMe.
Here's why- Because after Bush we should by now know the consequences of electing an idiot. So to nominate an idiot again, when we're desperately trying to save the nation from the first idiot's mistakes, seems especially, well... idiotic.
Slate's excellent take:
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I hate to be in the position of defending President Bush, especially when it comes to his level of intelligence, but I have to say I disagree that he and Sarah Palin are cut from the same aptitude cloth. As you noted, Bush does have more executive experience, (He actually came into office after having been governor of Texas for two consecutive four-year terms.) but beyond experience I think the two have other fundamental differences. Despite his narrow-mindedness, his inability to admit mistakes, his mangling of the English language, and his not always being able to communicate effectively to the public, Bush can on occasion string together coherent sentences. I also get the sense that he does understand complex policy issues even if he's not good at articulating or managing them. I know he was a C student (and so was John McCain, by the way), but the man did go to Harvard and Yale, even if it was by way of a legacy acceptance. And even if he spent most of his time in college boozing and cheerleading, he had to have learned something at these institutions even if it was through osmosis/diffusion by being around all those great minds.
Bush also comes from a political family and understands politics on a much more sophisticated level than Palin. Judging from news reports about Palin's administration, she is clearly a lightweight with a very small town mentality who, instead of surrounding herself with people smarter than herself (which would have been the intelligent thing to do), surrounded herself with friends who are--how shall we say it delicately?--just as dumb as her. (Think of Palin's agriculture secretary who said her love of cows qualified her for the job.) Bush's team was dangerously ideological, wrongheaded on so many issues, and not good for the country, but no one can argue that they weren't smart and well-educated. I don't get the sense that Palin can grasp complex policy issues. I think Bush understands full well what's happening with the economy; I don't think Palin does.
Though I may disagree with Bush's worldview, at least he has a worldview. He understood immigration coming into the White House, he knew a bit about Latino culture, he tried to learn a little Spanish. He knows a handful of people of color and even put some of them in his Cabinet. What gives me pause about Palin is not her limited executive experience, it's her limited education (six colleges before she finally got a degree), her almost absent worldview, the fact that she has not traveled anywhere (gassing up in Ireland notwithstanding), and has not been around a whole lot of people different from herself. For god sakes last weekend she spoke of "our neighboring country of Afghanistan." And just because she can deliver prepared zingers at debates and rallies like a pro, I don't believe for a minute that her dismal interview performances were isolated events. What's worse is that she believes the Republican hype about herself and that is the ultimate example her lack of self-awareness. I think part of being intelligent is knowing your shortcomings and limitations, and being able to admit what you don't know, and what you're not qualified to do. Palin doesn't have a clue.
We in the "liberal media" are always accused of condescending to the conservatives and smearing them for being all of one mind, I'm actually glad to see that some of them have not drank the Kool-Aid and are thinking out of the box and, dare we say it, acting on principle instead of politics.
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And after all of that, NONE of you commented on Palin's ability to run America, nor the bizarre image of McCain defending Obama to a room of booing Republicans, which were the crux of the post. How predictable.
Palin does not know enough about national issues to run for office.
McCain took a chance on impugning Obama's character and judgment with the Ayers thing, and instead sent signals to a less-savory part of the GOP base that it was OK to start being openly racist.
That said...
Bizarre Things That Have Happened in Other Elections
1992 -- Ross Perot runs for office as a third-party candidate. Gains significant following. Leads the race in June. Nominates a non-politician retired admiral as his VP. Said VP introduces himself to America in the VP debate by saying, "Who am I? Why am I here?" then fails to answer questions when his hearing aid shorts out. Perot drops out of race in July, then later climbs back in weeks before the election, claiming that George Bush had threatened his family. Perot still wins 19% of the popular vote. Bill Clinton wins the White House after a difficult primary campaign where he had to fight off a sex scandal (a recurring theme in his career).
1972 -- President Nixon has henchmen break into DNC headquarters at the Watergate Hotel complex, as part of a campaign to ensure George McGovern and not Hubert Humphrey would win the Democratic nomination. George Wallace is shot and paralyzed while campaigning in Maryland. Democratic Senator Thomas Eagleton tells journalist Bob Novak off the record that McGovern is the candidate of "amnesty, abortion, and legalization of pot." Novak trims this into "amnesty, abortion, and acid." At the Democratic convention, this same Eagleton ends up as the VP nominee after 70 ballots. McGovern has to give his acceptance speech after 3 AM. Later, it is revealed that Eageton underwent elctroshock therapy for depression. McGovern announces he supports Eagleton "1000%," then three days later makes him resign from the ticket.
Nixon wins 61% of the popular vote, and wins the electoral college 520-17.
1968 -- President Johnson chooses not to run due to overwhelming opposition within his own party. Martin Luther King is assassinated. Democrat Robert F. Kennedy is assassinated in the primaries. The Democratic National Convention falls into chaos over its plank on the Vietnam War. Chicago riot police beat anti-war protesters in the streets outside the convention hall. America's cities suffer race riots all summer long. Alabama Governor George Wallace runs a pro-segregation third-party campaign and wins five southern states. Former VP Richard Nixon, whose political career was assumed to be dead in 1960 after losing to JFK, easily wins election on a "law and order platform."
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I'm still dumbfounded that half of our electorate is energized by Sarah Palin.
But I'm an elitist liberal with 1400 SAT scores, college education, and a good job so what do I know?
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TheMadHatter
I'm still dumbfounded that half of our electorate is energized by Sarah Palin.
But I'm an elitist liberal with 1400 SAT scores, college education, and a good job so what do I know?
red america hates you and eduction...you prick. :toast
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
Being a foreigner doesn't discredit ones opinion. There are plenty of foreigners who have well informed viewpoints on the American political system. That being said, a foreigner coming in with a self admited less than informed opinion mocking the American political system will always get these type of reactions and be immediately be discredited.
Do you understand why?
EDIT: This isn't the first time Ruff has posted idiocy like this. He's done things like tried to lecture me on American gambling and made claims that were completely incorrect (IE casinos in every state or that gambling was legal in every state).
When one has a lack of information about another's situation, it is wise to speak with at least an once of humility and not as a condescending prick.
Oh fer fucksake, where did I admit that I have a "less than informed opinion" in the OP? I've followed American politics for 20 years - I'm no expert, but I'm not a moron about it either. And where did I "mocking the American political system"? I said this is a bizarre Presidential race, that is not mocking the American political system. You love your leaps of logic, don't you?
As for the gambling thing, I've traveled every state West of the Rockies, and a few in the East, and found casinos wherever I went. Admittedly, most of them were on Indian land, but that doesn't change anything. WGAF anyway? We had that discussion about 18 months ago! Talk about sensitivity and bearing grudges!
I think we should put each other on ignore or just agree not to answer each other's posts, because you always seem to extrapolate something from mine that I never said. Enough with the straw man arguments. If there's one thing I am sensitive about, it's people putting words in my mouth I never said, and you do it all the time.
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Re: American politics has gone off the deep end
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Originally Posted by
Extra Stout
Palin does not know enough about national issues to run for office.
McCain took a chance on impugning Obama's character and judgment with the Ayers thing, and instead sent signals to a less-savory part of the GOP base that it was OK to start being openly racist.
That said...
Bizarre Things That Have Happened in Other Elections
1992 -- Ross Perot runs for office as a third-party candidate. Gains significant following. Leads the race in June. Nominates a non-politician retired admiral as his VP. Said VP introduces himself to America in the VP debate by saying, "Who am I? Why am I here?" then fails to answer questions when his hearing aid shorts out. Perot drops out of race in July, then later climbs back in weeks before the election, claiming that George Bush had threatened his family. Perot still wins 19% of the popular vote. Bill Clinton wins the White House after a difficult primary campaign where he had to fight off a sex scandal (a recurring theme in his career).
1972 -- President Nixon has henchmen break into DNC headquarters at the Watergate Hotel complex, as part of a campaign to ensure George McGovern and not Hubert Humphrey would win the Democratic nomination. George Wallace is shot and paralyzed while campaigning in Maryland. Democratic Senator Thomas Eagleton tells journalist Bob Novak off the record that McGovern is the candidate of "amnesty, abortion, and legalization of pot." Novak trims this into "amnesty, abortion, and acid." At the Democratic convention, this same Eagleton ends up as the VP nominee after 70 ballots. McGovern has to give his acceptance speech after 3 AM. Later, it is revealed that Eageton underwent elctroshock therapy for depression. McGovern announces he supports Eagleton "1000%," then three days later makes him resign from the ticket.
Nixon wins 61% of the popular vote, and wins the electoral college 520-17.
1968 -- President Johnson chooses not to run due to overwhelming opposition within his own party. Martin Luther King is assassinated. Democrat Robert F. Kennedy is assassinated in the primaries. The Democratic National Convention falls into chaos over its plank on the Vietnam War. Chicago riot police beat anti-war protesters in the streets outside the convention hall. America's cities suffer race riots all summer long. Alabama Governor George Wallace runs a pro-segregation third-party campaign and wins five southern states. Former VP Richard Nixon, whose political career was assumed to be dead in 1960 after losing to JFK, easily wins election on a "law and order platform."
Indeed, nice post.
Yes, the Perot thing was very strange. Has anyone ever explained that one in terms that make any kind of sense?
As for '68 and '72, I remember studying them in high school. A strange set of events, but then again that was a time of massive social upheaval and the elcetions made more sense in that context.
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Re: American politics has gone off the deep end
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Originally Posted by
RuffnReadyOzStyle
Indeed, nice post.
Yes, the Perot thing was very strange. Has anyone ever explained that one in terms that make any kind of sense?
As for '68 and '72, I remember studying them in high school. A strange set of events, but then again that was a time of massive social upheaval and the elcetions made more sense in that context.
America is entering another period of social upheaval.
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Re: American politics has gone off the deep end
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Originally Posted by
Extra Stout
America is entering another period of social upheaval.
True dat.
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Re: American politics has gone off the deep end
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Originally Posted by
clambake
and palin thinks jesus christ will return in her lifetime.
Oh brother. This again?
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Re: American politics has gone off the deep end
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Originally Posted by
RuffnReadyOzStyle
MAYBE WHAT AMERICA NEEDS IS A BIT MORE UNITY AND LESS RED VS BLUE BULLSHIT. YOU SHOULD THANK ME! :lmao
:lol for what exactly?
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Re: American politics has gone off the deep end
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
Being a foreigner doesn't discredit ones opinion. There are plenty of foreigners who have well informed viewpoints on the American political system.
:tu
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Re: American politics has gone off the deep end
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Originally Posted by
ballijuana
Then again, trying to point out anything to the conservative, xenophobic, racists on this board is an exercise in futility- and frankly all the "shut the fuck up foreigner" responses more than proved it.
Just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean they're "conservative, xenophobic, racists."
And many of the people speaking out against Ruff's post are dems.
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Re: American politics has gone off the deep end
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Originally Posted by
SpursFanFirst
Oh brother. This again?
pitbull bitch makes decades old associations for HUSSEIN that never existed, so why not throw back at her recent statements based on her recent participation in a made-up, extreme, militant, religious fringe cult?
