American politics has gone off the deep end

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10-13-2008
clambake

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

How does this apply to the nattering nabobs who loft their volleys of pretense from abroad?

just that you can see the ignorance of the palin pick from across the pond.

even the landlocked between the atlantic and pacific can see it.

:toast
10-13-2008
PixelPusher

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

I'm so glad we have these foreigners with their deep sense of history going back eight entire years. What insight.

That's longer than many Americans' sense of history.
10-13-2008
Extra Stout

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Originally Posted by PixelPusher

That's longer than many Americans' sense of history.

Where I come from, Americans' sense of history goes back 50 years to an alternate past that did not actually occur.
10-13-2008
RuffnReadyOzStyle

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Originally Posted by RobinsontoDuncan

Not only am I a proud Virginian, but I am also a liberal democrat, and I think the above quote is stupid and illustrates a lack of knowledge about my state (which currently has Obama up by 6 points and elected the first black governor in the country, Doug Wilder).

Most of the country views Texas as the backward, red neck, racist center of the Republican party; and one need only look at recent polls from Va and NC to see that most of the country has moved on.

I am aware that not all Virginian are racists. I'm not a moron. However, the naked vitriol of that comment by a woman who was about 65 surprised me.

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Originally Posted by TheMadHatter

You do realize TX is perhaps the last major metropolitan state in our nation to be so overwhelmingly Republican right OP?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by clambake

palin is a worldwide joke. :lol

Indeed she is. There is no way on earth that she is qualified to run the most powerful country on earth. If McCain gets in let's all hope his health holds up.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I'm struggling to reply to this post because Ruff is uber sensitive but so much of that post is pretty crappy. Nothing will piss off Americans more than a foreigner telling us how bizarre and racist we are while putting stupid little laughing emoticons in the post.

I'm guessing I could find a few bigots of some sort in Australia. I'm sure they're just as representative of Oz as that Virginian is of America.

:lol I'm sensitive! Look at all you folks jumping up to abuse me just because I make some observations about the most important election in the planet's history!

Actually Manny, I'm not overly sensitive, I just won't take your shit any more.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I can one up that. Nothing like some foreigner bagging on the US and making generalizations while admitting he's uninformed and laughing at you at the same time.

What generalizations? That there are a lot of older white folks in the US who won't vote for Obama because of the colour of his skin? Is that an incorrect generalization? Of course I know that it doesn't apply to the majority of citizens, but there's plenty of evidence to show that it does apply to quite a few old white people in the South. Also, blame YOUR OWN media organisations for reporting and spreading this generalisation.

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Originally Posted by Anti.Hero

What makes Obama popular to the foreigners?

Because he is a self-hating Amerikan?

Because he can give good preacher like speeches thanks to Axlerod & co.?

Because he has done 20 months worth of extensive homework on.....the world?

Because, like all you European fucks...is a socialist?

Because he will be a citizen of the world and unite all countries?

Because he is Black and America is such a racist redneck country thanks to that shithole cowboy Texas?

:lmao

Let's let Amerika slip and be like all the rest over the pond. Yayy :bking

I hope that is a parody.

I'm for change, whoever brings it. I couldn't give two shits whether he is a Demo or a Repub.

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

So, out of the THREE elections Ruff has followed, this is the most bizarre. Wow, that's INTERESTING. I'm so glad we have these foreigners with their deep sense of history going back eight entire years. What insight.

Actually, I've followed American politics since I was a kid because we lived there when I was young and both my parents are interested in America. I commented on 3 elections, but that doesn't mean I only followed 3 (come on dude, you are smarter than straw man arguments).

And after all of that, NONE of you commented on Palin's ability to run America, nor the bizarre image of McCain defending Obama to a room of booing Republicans, which were the crux of the post. How predictable. Over-reaction to nothing whilst missing the point... that pretty much sums up what America has become under Junior.

I am not an America-hater, you should know this. I love America, and I used to respect it as the greatest country on earth, but America has gone so far off the track that it is hard to love its current form.

I also recognise that where America goes the world goes - it is still the most important country in the world - and right now the whole world needs vision, bridge-building, leadership and change from America's leadership. Let's hope we get some of that from which ever candidate is next in the White House, because Junior put America back 50 years and divided the world.
10-13-2008
MannyIsGod

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WE HAVE A FUCKING PRESIDENT WHO ISN'T ABLE TO RUN THE FUCKING COUNTRY SO WHY WOULD YOU CALL THE NOMINATION OF A VP WHO CAN'T DO IT THE MOST BIZARRE THING OF ALL TIME?

Jesus H Fucking Christ. We've spent the past year fighting amongst each ohter and all it took was one of your posts to get us all on the same side. Congrats.
10-13-2008
clambake

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

There is no way on earth that she is qualified to run the most powerful country on earth. If McCain gets in let's all hope his health holds up.

And after all of that, NONE of you commented on Palin's ability to run America, nor the bizarre image of McCain defending Obama to a room of booing Republicans, which were the crux of the post. How predictable.

i did comment :lol but her disqualifications are endless.

you have to understand.......americans think life began 232 years ago.

and palin thinks jesus christ will return in her lifetime.
10-13-2008
RuffnReadyOzStyle

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

WE HAVE A FUCKING PRESIDENT WHO ISN'T ABLE TO RUN THE FUCKING COUNTRY SO WHY WOULD YOU CALL THE NOMINATION OF A VP WHO CAN'T DO IT THE MOST BIZARRE THING OF ALL TIME?

Jesus H Fucking Christ. We've spent the past year fighting amongst each ohter and all it took was one of your posts to get us all on the same side. Congrats.

I called it the most bizarre Presidential race I've seen, not Palin's nomination alone. We are talking about a Presidential race. McCain defending Obama to the booing was outright the weirdest thing I've seen - notice that it is emboldened.

As for Junior, it is a revelation that Republicans can now admit how fucking awful he's been. Go back 18 months and that still wasn't the case. Financial meltdown was the coup de grace I guess.

MAYBE WHAT AMERICA NEEDS IS A BIT MORE UNITY AND LESS RED VS BLUE BULLSHIT. YOU SHOULD THANK ME! :lmao

PS The hysterical reaction this thread has recieved is the reason I left the politics forum 3 years ago. After this thread I'll leave again, but it has been... interesting. :lol
10-13-2008
RuffnReadyOzStyle

Re: American politics has gone off the deep end

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Originally Posted by clambake

i did comment :lol but her disqualifications are endless.

you have to understand.......americans think life began 232 years ago.

and palin thinks jesus christ will return in her lifetime.

:lol

Yeah, you did, but no-one else.

If Palin ever runs the US I fear the world will end in a hail of nukes. She is a dangerous zealot, and if Obama wins you may have a second civil war as the South secedes again (just to be clear - *joking*). Oh my, not a pleasant choice. :lol
10-13-2008
balli

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Why would Ruff's being foreign, discredit his position? If anything, it and his consequential lack of red v blue hatred makes him more objective. Then again, trying to point out anything to the conservative, xenophobic, racists on this board is an exercise in futility- and frankly all the "shut the fuck up foreigner" responses more than proved it.
10-13-2008
Aggie Hoopsfan

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Originally Posted by boutons_

My dream is sufficient regulation on corps to stop them from fucking us over, like the financial industry has done.

RBS was nationalized because it failed as a business, fucking over its clients and investors.

Paulsen is going to (semi)nationlize lots of US banks for the very same reason.

But first and fastest, he saved AIG so his Goldman Sachs would be saved.

Yes he did, and Demos couldn't climb over each other fast enough to back Paulsen, and Obama's also reportedly interested in having him stay on should he win.

Go ahead and try and blame this on the Republicans though, it's what you do best.
10-13-2008
Aggie Hoopsfan

Re: American politics has gone off the deep end

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

WE HAVE A FUCKING PRESIDENT WHO ISN'T ABLE TO RUN THE FUCKING COUNTRY SO WHY WOULD YOU CALL THE NOMINATION OF A VP WHO CAN'T DO IT THE MOST BIZARRE THING OF ALL TIME?

Jesus H Fucking Christ. We've spent the past year fighting amongst each ohter and all it took was one of your posts to get us all on the same side. Congrats.

:tu
10-13-2008
MannyIsGod

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Originally Posted by ballijuana

Why would Ruff's being foreign, discredit his position? If anything, it and his consequential lack of red v blue hatred makes him more objective. Then again, trying to point out anything to the conservative, xenophobic, racists on this board is an exercise in futility- and frankly all the "shut the fuck up foreigner" responses more than proved it.

Being a foreigner doesn't discredit ones opinion. There are plenty of foreigners who have well informed viewpoints on the American political system. That being said, a foreigner coming in with a self admited less than informed opinion mocking the American political system will always get these type of reactions and be immediately be discredited.

Do you understand why?

EDIT: This isn't the first time Ruff has posted idiocy like this. He's done things like tried to lecture me on American gambling and made claims that were completely incorrect (IE casinos in every state or that gambling was legal in every state).

When one has a lack of information about another's situation, it is wise to speak with at least an once of humility and not as a condescending prick.
10-13-2008
balli

Re: American politics has gone off the deep end

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

WE HAVE A FUCKING PRESIDENT WHO ISN'T ABLE TO RUN THE FUCKING COUNTRY SO WHY WOULD YOU CALL THE NOMINATION OF A VP WHO CAN'T DO IT THE MOST BIZARRE THING OF ALL TIMe.

Here's why- Because after Bush we should by now know the consequences of electing an idiot. So to nominate an idiot again, when we're desperately trying to save the nation from the first idiot's mistakes, seems especially, well... idiotic.

Slate's excellent take:

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I hate to be in the position of defending President Bush, especially when it comes to his level of intelligence, but I have to say I disagree that he and Sarah Palin are cut from the same aptitude cloth. As you noted, Bush does have more executive experience, (He actually came into office after having been governor of Texas for two consecutive four-year terms.) but beyond experience I think the two have other fundamental differences. Despite his narrow-mindedness, his inability to admit mistakes, his mangling of the English language, and his not always being able to communicate effectively to the public, Bush can on occasion string together coherent sentences. I also get the sense that he does understand complex policy issues even if he's not good at articulating or managing them. I know he was a C student (and so was John McCain, by the way), but the man did go to Harvard and Yale, even if it was by way of a legacy acceptance. And even if he spent most of his time in college boozing and cheerleading, he had to have learned something at these institutions even if it was through osmosis/diffusion by being around all those great minds.

Bush also comes from a political family and understands politics on a much more sophisticated level than Palin. Judging from news reports about Palin's administration, she is clearly a lightweight with a very small town mentality who, instead of surrounding herself with people smarter than herself (which would have been the intelligent thing to do), surrounded herself with friends who are--how shall we say it delicately?--just as dumb as her. (Think of Palin's agriculture secretary who said her love of cows qualified her for the job.) Bush's team was dangerously ideological, wrongheaded on so many issues, and not good for the country, but no one can argue that they weren't smart and well-educated. I don't get the sense that Palin can grasp complex policy issues. I think Bush understands full well what's happening with the economy; I don't think Palin does.

Though I may disagree with Bush's worldview, at least he has a worldview. He understood immigration coming into the White House, he knew a bit about Latino culture, he tried to learn a little Spanish. He knows a handful of people of color and even put some of them in his Cabinet. What gives me pause about Palin is not her limited executive experience, it's her limited education (six colleges before she finally got a degree), her almost absent worldview, the fact that she has not traveled anywhere (gassing up in Ireland notwithstanding), and has not been around a whole lot of people different from herself. For god sakes last weekend she spoke of "our neighboring country of Afghanistan." And just because she can deliver prepared zingers at debates and rallies like a pro, I don't believe for a minute that her dismal interview performances were isolated events. What's worse is that she believes the Republican hype about herself and that is the ultimate example her lack of self-awareness. I think part of being intelligent is knowing your shortcomings and limitations, and being able to admit what you don't know, and what you're not qualified to do. Palin doesn't have a clue.

We in the "liberal media" are always accused of condescending to the conservatives and smearing them for being all of one mind, I'm actually glad to see that some of them have not drank the Kool-Aid and are thinking out of the box and, dare we say it, acting on principle instead of politics.
10-13-2008
Extra Stout

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Originally Posted by Ruff

And after all of that, NONE of you commented on Palin's ability to run America, nor the bizarre image of McCain defending Obama to a room of booing Republicans, which were the crux of the post. How predictable.

Palin does not know enough about national issues to run for office.

McCain took a chance on impugning Obama's character and judgment with the Ayers thing, and instead sent signals to a less-savory part of the GOP base that it was OK to start being openly racist.

That said...

Bizarre Things That Have Happened in Other Elections

1992 -- Ross Perot runs for office as a third-party candidate. Gains significant following. Leads the race in June. Nominates a non-politician retired admiral as his VP. Said VP introduces himself to America in the VP debate by saying, "Who am I? Why am I here?" then fails to answer questions when his hearing aid shorts out. Perot drops out of race in July, then later climbs back in weeks before the election, claiming that George Bush had threatened his family. Perot still wins 19% of the popular vote. Bill Clinton wins the White House after a difficult primary campaign where he had to fight off a sex scandal (a recurring theme in his career).

1972 -- President Nixon has henchmen break into DNC headquarters at the Watergate Hotel complex, as part of a campaign to ensure George McGovern and not Hubert Humphrey would win the Democratic nomination. George Wallace is shot and paralyzed while campaigning in Maryland. Democratic Senator Thomas Eagleton tells journalist Bob Novak off the record that McGovern is the candidate of "amnesty, abortion, and legalization of pot." Novak trims this into "amnesty, abortion, and acid." At the Democratic convention, this same Eagleton ends up as the VP nominee after 70 ballots. McGovern has to give his acceptance speech after 3 AM. Later, it is revealed that Eageton underwent elctroshock therapy for depression. McGovern announces he supports Eagleton "1000%," then three days later makes him resign from the ticket.
Nixon wins 61% of the popular vote, and wins the electoral college 520-17.

1968 -- President Johnson chooses not to run due to overwhelming opposition within his own party. Martin Luther King is assassinated. Democrat Robert F. Kennedy is assassinated in the primaries. The Democratic National Convention falls into chaos over its plank on the Vietnam War. Chicago riot police beat anti-war protesters in the streets outside the convention hall. America's cities suffer race riots all summer long. Alabama Governor George Wallace runs a pro-segregation third-party campaign and wins five southern states. Former VP Richard Nixon, whose political career was assumed to be dead in 1960 after losing to JFK, easily wins election on a "law and order platform."
10-13-2008
TheMadHatter

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I'm still dumbfounded that half of our electorate is energized by Sarah Palin.

But I'm an elitist liberal with 1400 SAT scores, college education, and a good job so what do I know?
10-13-2008
clambake

Re: American politics has gone off the deep end

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Originally Posted by TheMadHatter

I'm still dumbfounded that half of our electorate is energized by Sarah Palin.

But I'm an elitist liberal with 1400 SAT scores, college education, and a good job so what do I know?

red america hates you and eduction...you prick. :toast
10-13-2008
RuffnReadyOzStyle

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Being a foreigner doesn't discredit ones opinion. There are plenty of foreigners who have well informed viewpoints on the American political system. That being said, a foreigner coming in with a self admited less than informed opinion mocking the American political system will always get these type of reactions and be immediately be discredited.

Do you understand why?

EDIT: This isn't the first time Ruff has posted idiocy like this. He's done things like tried to lecture me on American gambling and made claims that were completely incorrect (IE casinos in every state or that gambling was legal in every state).

When one has a lack of information about another's situation, it is wise to speak with at least an once of humility and not as a condescending prick.

Oh fer fucksake, where did I admit that I have a "less than informed opinion" in the OP? I've followed American politics for 20 years - I'm no expert, but I'm not a moron about it either. And where did I "mocking the American political system"? I said this is a bizarre Presidential race, that is not mocking the American political system. You love your leaps of logic, don't you?

As for the gambling thing, I've traveled every state West of the Rockies, and a few in the East, and found casinos wherever I went. Admittedly, most of them were on Indian land, but that doesn't change anything. WGAF anyway? We had that discussion about 18 months ago! Talk about sensitivity and bearing grudges!

I think we should put each other on ignore or just agree not to answer each other's posts, because you always seem to extrapolate something from mine that I never said. Enough with the straw man arguments. If there's one thing I am sensitive about, it's people putting words in my mouth I never said, and you do it all the time.
10-13-2008
RuffnReadyOzStyle

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

Palin does not know enough about national issues to run for office.

McCain took a chance on impugning Obama's character and judgment with the Ayers thing, and instead sent signals to a less-savory part of the GOP base that it was OK to start being openly racist.

That said...

Bizarre Things That Have Happened in Other Elections

1992 -- Ross Perot runs for office as a third-party candidate. Gains significant following. Leads the race in June. Nominates a non-politician retired admiral as his VP. Said VP introduces himself to America in the VP debate by saying, "Who am I? Why am I here?" then fails to answer questions when his hearing aid shorts out. Perot drops out of race in July, then later climbs back in weeks before the election, claiming that George Bush had threatened his family. Perot still wins 19% of the popular vote. Bill Clinton wins the White House after a difficult primary campaign where he had to fight off a sex scandal (a recurring theme in his career).

1972 -- President Nixon has henchmen break into DNC headquarters at the Watergate Hotel complex, as part of a campaign to ensure George McGovern and not Hubert Humphrey would win the Democratic nomination. George Wallace is shot and paralyzed while campaigning in Maryland. Democratic Senator Thomas Eagleton tells journalist Bob Novak off the record that McGovern is the candidate of "amnesty, abortion, and legalization of pot." Novak trims this into "amnesty, abortion, and acid." At the Democratic convention, this same Eagleton ends up as the VP nominee after 70 ballots. McGovern has to give his acceptance speech after 3 AM. Later, it is revealed that Eageton underwent elctroshock therapy for depression. McGovern announces he supports Eagleton "1000%," then three days later makes him resign from the ticket.
Nixon wins 61% of the popular vote, and wins the electoral college 520-17.

1968 -- President Johnson chooses not to run due to overwhelming opposition within his own party. Martin Luther King is assassinated. Democrat Robert F. Kennedy is assassinated in the primaries. The Democratic National Convention falls into chaos over its plank on the Vietnam War. Chicago riot police beat anti-war protesters in the streets outside the convention hall. America's cities suffer race riots all summer long. Alabama Governor George Wallace runs a pro-segregation third-party campaign and wins five southern states. Former VP Richard Nixon, whose political career was assumed to be dead in 1960 after losing to JFK, easily wins election on a "law and order platform."

Indeed, nice post.

Yes, the Perot thing was very strange. Has anyone ever explained that one in terms that make any kind of sense?

As for '68 and '72, I remember studying them in high school. A strange set of events, but then again that was a time of massive social upheaval and the elcetions made more sense in that context.
10-13-2008
Extra Stout

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

Indeed, nice post.

Yes, the Perot thing was very strange. Has anyone ever explained that one in terms that make any kind of sense?

As for '68 and '72, I remember studying them in high school. A strange set of events, but then again that was a time of massive social upheaval and the elcetions made more sense in that context.

America is entering another period of social upheaval.
10-14-2008
RuffnReadyOzStyle

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

America is entering another period of social upheaval.

True dat.
10-14-2008
SpursFanFirst

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Originally Posted by clambake

and palin thinks jesus christ will return in her lifetime.

Oh brother. This again?
10-14-2008
SpursFanFirst

Re: American politics has gone off the deep end

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

MAYBE WHAT AMERICA NEEDS IS A BIT MORE UNITY AND LESS RED VS BLUE BULLSHIT. YOU SHOULD THANK ME! :lmao

:lol for what exactly?
10-14-2008
SpursFanFirst

Re: American politics has gone off the deep end

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Being a foreigner doesn't discredit ones opinion. There are plenty of foreigners who have well informed viewpoints on the American political system.

:tu
10-14-2008
SpursFanFirst

Re: American politics has gone off the deep end

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Originally Posted by ballijuana

Then again, trying to point out anything to the conservative, xenophobic, racists on this board is an exercise in futility- and frankly all the "shut the fuck up foreigner" responses more than proved it.

Just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean they're "conservative, xenophobic, racists."

And many of the people speaking out against Ruff's post are dems.
10-14-2008
boutons_

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

Oh brother. This again?

pitbull bitch makes decades old associations for HUSSEIN that never existed, so why not throw back at her recent statements based on her recent participation in a made-up, extreme, militant, religious fringe cult?

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