What, exactly, has Obama done....

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Originally Posted by Gino

Ah yes....you are of the "Grampy McSame wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years" crowd.

McCain makes the statement that he would be in favor of having a permanent base in Iraq (as we do in Germany, Japan, Bahrain and half the other nations in the freaking WORLD) if there was no more violence and you disingenuously claim that he wants the fighting to continue forever.

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You realize you are debating with someone who considers Bill Ayers an esteemed educator and Sarah Palin a contemptuous bitch.

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Originally Posted by whottt

You realize you are debating with someone who considers Bill Ayers an esteemed educator and Sarah Palin a contemptuous bitch.

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Why do you lie about me? Bill Ayers is a radical. Sarah Palin is rather dumb and uninformed but certainly not a contemptuous bitch.

Obama will never do me....Whottt on the other hand.....

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Originally Posted by Gino

This post is so stupid its not even funny.

Obama wanted troops out in 2007. Im not talking about 2002. Im talking about 2007. So unless you think he can bring people back from the dead, then 4000+ troops would still be gone if we had listened to him in 2007.

Obama was not a senator in 2002. He didn't have classified information in 2002. He was not responsible for the safety of our nation in 2002. I do not care what speech Obama made at an anti-war rally back in 2002. He was doing what all his friends were doing.

When Obama WAS a senator in 2007, he stated that a troop surge that saved our collective asses wouldn't work. He did have resources (such as the ability to speak with the commander in charge) that he did not use.

This "judgement" argument is so stupid. Millions of people (20% of the country) were against the war back in 2002. That doesn't mean they were able to prophesize that the CIA intelligence that they had no access to was innacurate.

The only time Obama had to make a real judgement call, he fell flat on his face.

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Obama did not want to go to the war and voted accordingly. You seem to forget this "judgement" was correct at the time and would have saved 4000+ lives.

Your candidate is a war monger, just like our current President. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by whottt

You realize you are debating with someone who considers Bill Ayers an esteemed educator and Sarah Palin a contemptuous bitch.

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why do you lie so much?

beat the snot out of the Clintons.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

Did your great grandmother have one of, if not THE most stressful job in the world at any point during her life?

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Why yes, CH...she was the President of the US...don't you remember?

The point is, just because the job is stressful doesn't mean he's going to die in office.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

Why yes, CH...she was the President of the US...don't you remember?

The point is, just because the job is stressful doesn't mean he's going to die in office.

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The question here is wether you feel confident in Palin running our country should anything happen to McCain. I mean, the same question applies to Biden.
After listening to both, I think Biden would do poorly, but compared to Palin, exceptionally well.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

Why yes, CH...she was the President of the US...don't you remember?

The point is, just because the job is stressful doesn't mean he's going to die in office.

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Sorry. Can't take the chance.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

The question here is wether you feel confident in Palin running our country should anything happen to McCain. I mean, the same question applies to Biden.
After listening to both, I think Biden would do poorly, but compared to Palin, exceptionally well.

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meh...I'm not thrilled with any of them. I'm honestly not sure any one of them would do better than the others.

Our options suck.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Sorry. Can't take the chance.

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any one of them can die in office.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

any one of them can die in office.

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Which is why the choice of VP is such an important decision.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

If you're "The Chosen One," do you have to actually ACCOMPLISH something?

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I guess not because he's leading in the polls and forcing Republicans to defend red states. Imagine what he'd have done if he actually accomplished something.....

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Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody

Which is why the choice of VP is such an important decision.

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The VP can die too.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

meh...I'm not thrilled with any of them. I'm honestly not sure any one of them would do better than the others.

Our options suck.

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I feel for you. I can't personally vote, but I know exactly what you mean.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

The VP can die too.

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So you're pinning your hopes on Palin dying before the election? That might help turnout the base, but I think there too much of a deficit to swing the election.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody

So you're pinning your hopes on Palin dying before the election? That might help turnout the base, but I think there too much of a deficit to swing the election.

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I'm not hoping anyone dies...but anyone can...not just McCain, and that's the point.

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Originally Posted by Gino

Im pretty sure Americans were greeted as liberators. It just didn't last. You must have forgotten all the 2003 footage.

Then again, we're looking at whos best for the future: The guy who fixed Iraq, or Obama.

While you think about that, think about this: If we had left Iraq when Obama first wanted, what would Iraq look like right now? What would the price of gas look like right now?

Is it reasonable to assume that Iraq would still be in the midst of civil war without McCain's "surge"?

Is it reasonable to assume that oil exports from Iraq might have been crippled?

Is it reasonable to assume that Gas would seven dollars a gallon right now?

Seven dollars is just a wild guess estimate, so you tell me.

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You are referencing 2003? 5 yrs ago?

The future? Like serveral people have stated already McCain is 72 yr old, he has a good chance of having health issues in office that could make him unable to perform his duties...then what happens? Palin?
Health is not an issue with Obama.

The price of oil is not being guided by our involvement in Iraq, it is going down because of the current financial crisis. I blame the price of oil on the oil companies themselves, I also blame them for part of this current financial crisis as well. People can't afford mortgage payments in part because they have to spend more and more on energy prices.

If we left Iraq?
We never should have gone in when we did in the first place. I feel if put as much effort in getting Bin-Laden from the outset, as we have in Iraq, he would either already be in custody or dead. We never finished the job in Afganistan first to warrant our invasion of Iraq. Afganistan is worse off now in many ways than before the war started, and since we mismanged the war in all fronts the USA has become despised in that part of the world it seems.
A big problem is we went into Iraq with no exit strategy or idea what needed to be accomplished to consider victory in that military action, it seems we had no real objective in Iraq. It was supposed to be WMD's, there were none, we got Saddam, now what? The leadership never stopped to think "what if there are no WMD's how should we handle that?" We conducted this war like a game of Risk by kids, let's attack Iraq because the blue pieces are there.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

I'm not hoping anyone dies...but anyone can...not just McCain, and that's the point.

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I was told that if I used "sarcasm blue" in my posts, people would know I was being sarcastic.

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

I'm not hoping anyone dies...but anyone can...not just McCain, and that's the point.

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What's your point? You could die tomorrow, so why post on Spurstalk?

You're completely ignoring the issue here. I stated that McCain is much more likely to die in office because he's very old, the oldest president in history if he wins, and you went all Sylvia Plath in response. So what? Anyone can die. You aren't providing us with a groundbreaking revelation with a statement like that. The point is, is that McCain is much, MUCH more likely to die in office than most Presidents have been. This means his VP choice is of much greater importance than usual and deservedly bears greater scrutiny. Sarah Palin is not fit to be VP of the United States, let alone President. She's not even close. And beyond that, the VP still stands for a lot. Palin has NO idea what she's doing and she's horribly out of her depth.

Does that mean I hate her? Absolutely not. I like Sarah Palin. She's a likable person! But likable does not translate into running the most powerful country in the world, otherwise you could use that logic to elect Robin Williams or Stephen Colbert into office.

Just stop with the philosophy nonsense when you're attempting to argue for Sarah Palin's legitimacy to be on the ticket. She has none. She was a pick for surprise and hype value and little else.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody

I was told that if I used "sarcasm blue" in my posts, people would know I was being sarcastic.

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Ah....I did not know that rule.
I'm with you now.

Usually, I just automatically read comments on this site with sarcasm, but I didn't this time.
Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

What's your point? You could die tomorrow, so why post on Spurstalk?

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:huh

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Sarah Palin is not fit to be VP of the United States, let alone President. She's not even close. And beyond that, the VP still stands for a lot. Palin has NO idea what she's doing and she's horribly out of her depth.

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A) I don't think any of our candidates are "fit" to run this country. But, you'd know that if you'd read my other responses in this forum.

B) I already covered my thoughts on Palin. Read up.

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Just stop with the philosophy nonsense when you're attempting to argue for Sarah Palin's legitimacy to be on the ticket. She has none. She was a pick for surprise and hype value and little else.

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:lol at the thought I'm "arguing for Palin's legitimacy."
Just because I said any of those candidates could die before or after taking office doesn't somehow translate into "Palin's a great pick and would run this country well."
Get off your high horse, CH.

Wow, you've turned bitter during the offseason. What the hell?

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

:huh




A) I don't think any of our candidates are "fit" to run this country. But, you'd know that if you'd read my other responses in this forum.

B) I already covered my thoughts on Palin. Read up.




:lol at the thought I'm "arguing for Palin's legitimacy."
Just because I said any of those candidates could die before or after taking office doesn't somehow translate into "Palin's a great pick and would run this country well."
Get off your high horse, CH.

Wow, you've turned bitter during the offseason. What the hell?

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I'm bitter because both presidential candidates just voted for an $800,000,000,000 bailout that is only going to benefit the rich, and now I have to defend one of them.

And yes, perhaps none of the four P/VPs are fit to be president, but there ARE levels here. This is not an all or nothing deal. McCain and Obama are both pretty scary in some areas, but stating they are unfit and therefore lumping them in with Palin is a drastic overgeneralization. McCain or Obama are most likely going to struggle with the situation they are ascending to in office, whoever gets in. But this isn't black and white. They would struggle -- Sarah Palin would absolutely suck. Her incompetence would be apparent from day 1. She would be ridiculed and demolished by every facet of the office that demanded leadership from her.

And for the last time, this isn't a personal rip on Palin! I love my parents, but that doesn't mean I think they would make a good president, as they would be out of their depth. Exactly like Ms. Palin. Obama might be Rex Grossman and McCain might be Ryan Leaf, but Sarah Palin is a sophomore in high school in this metaphor. None of them can stand an NFL defense, but it's the difference between being relatively bad and getting absolutely killed. I'm not on a horse, I just think it's ludicrous that people feel Palin should be a VP in any regard, after the stunts pulled by the GOP campaign in this election.

Obama hasn't done much of anything really. That's what makes this election so hilarious. Republicans fucked up so badly that there's a good chance the American people are going to elect a guy for no other reason than his not being a Republican.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

And for the last time, this isn't a personal rip on Palin!

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Well, I don't know who you're talking to, but I never said you were personally ripping Palin.